The Girls gone wild effect - ( contains elements of human sexuality)

What I've noticed alot as a 16 year old is the fact that our parents parents are baby boomers for the most part. Our parents must have always felt like there parents were overly polite and prude. Now that our parents are older and have no way of reliving their life in a more "fun" way the parents of many girls encourage there daughters to have fun at parties, dont discourage sex before 18 and even buy thong underwear and risque clothes at as little to 10 years old.

I support it with every ounce of my being.


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[edit on 10-7-2008 by elevatedone]

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Thanks man, good post.
What also needs to be addressed is the lack of basic respect that many young men these days have for women and girls in general, which is what leads, in my obsevations, to the manipulative behavior and normalization of rape mentality. It's really crazy what people can accept for ironic "kitch" value too. I was in Ottawa on sunday to see the Blues festival, a pretty family oriented kind of affair. Which is why thousands of folkies and seemingly educated types thronging to see Snoop Dog sing "B*&#@es aint # but hoes and tricks!" kinda blew my mind.

man the censor police is all over this post ahhahaha


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It's a product of the decline in moral values first and foremost. 20 years ago those commercials would have been allowed on TV at all.

The sex sells mentality and billion dollar pornography industry has resulted in the complete objectification of women to the point they are almost dehumanized. This is GGW is just improvised pornography.

The girls do it because they lack self esteem and want attention, they are drunk and society says it's OK because they see Brittney Spears and Paris Hilton and Pamela Andersen all in the limelight and being praised for the same behavior.

This sort of media creates what is known as a rape culture in America. Rape is a serious problem in the United States today. We have the highest rape rate known. It is 4 X higher than that of Germany, 13 X higher than that of England and 20 X higher than that of Japan.

Rape culture is a widely used term within women's studies and feminism describing a culture in which rape and other sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media condone, normalize, excuse, or encourage sexualized violence. Within the paradigm, acts of "harmless" sexism are commonly employed to validate and rationalize normative misogynistic practices; for instance, sexist jokes may be told to foster disrespect for women and an accompanying disregard for their well-being, which ultimately make their rape and abuse seem acceptable. Examples of behaviors said to typify rape culture include victim blaming, trivializing prison rape, and sexual objectification.
en.wikipedia.org...

Above is a chart showing the estimated rape rate per 100,000 people in the United States between 1960 and 1998. The rape rate in the US in 1998 was 34.4 per 100,000 persons. In 1997 there was a decrease of 7% in the overall crime rate, but the rate of rape and sexual assault did not decline at all. (National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997)

Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victims of sexual assault (National Crime Victimization Survey, 1997). A study among college women has shown that 1 out of every 5 college age women report being forced to have sexual intercourse. (1995 National College Health Risk Behavior Survey) 22% of all women say that they have been forced to do sexual things against their will, where only 3% of men admit to ever forcing themselves on a woman. (Laumann, 1994)
sa.rochester.edu...

Todays society has made it girls kissing and public nudity.You ask any female why they do it.Its more of less to show off.They didn't do this ten years ago.Morals and values now are thrown in the drain.

Originally posted by mental modulator
10/4 -- It seems this is just another example of the ever widening void of the human condition... Funny this about the girls in the commercials though... Many men would give a left eye to be in the company of such pretty gals. I am certian many of these gals get heaps of attention...So I get it --- but I really don't ... If you dig-

I think you just answered your own OP!

I've seen these adverts, at the usual 12am timeslot till whenever, and I cannot stand them. Same with all the other obnoxious 'SMS Flirt and get a stripper on your phone Now!' crap deals.

I've always considered them nothing more than cheap - paid to be cheap, act cheap, be treated cheap, etc.

And, to be honest, if people want cheap, then let them seek it in the usual places, not on the TV after midnight; not everyone who is up at 1am is sexual beast craving buxom babes snogging each other.. Put that on at 2pm, and all hell would break loose!

But my point is, I've never seen these adverts for the Girls Gone Wild things, as anything more than a paid for fake party. Actresses, if you will, paid a fee to present an atmosphere that horny young barry and his mates, up late after a night out, might find enticing and be more likely to entertain by giving it a call.

It's really pretty offensive to everyone but the target audience, imo. They wouldnt or couldnt care less, as far as I know.

But still whenever they appear on Aussie tv here at midnight, a quick flick to channel 9 will have everything back to normal with a few moments of David Letterman, before the ads finish and its back to whatever it was I was watching..

Hey if these girls want to degrade their image, so be it.

And all Girls Gone Wild is doing is practicing good 'ole capitalism

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
Some were also found to be in possesion ghb a common rape drug.

Sorry, I have to interject on that point, GHB is as much a date rape drug as sausagerolls are party murder weapons.

Seems the media that lies to everyone, only lies about some things, yet others are entirely true...

-- apologies for the off topic. but that just had to be said.

A flag, then, for a first-class thread. Kudos not just to the OP, but to all involved in an intelligent and thoughtful discussion. With a few exceptions, most of you seem to realize that the subject is a difficult and nuanced one, and that the stock answers from religion, 'family values', psychology, the social sciences, biology and even economics don't fit very well.

It's great to see the PPM Forum working the way it's supposed to. This thread is, in my view, the best here to date.

On the topic itself, I'm afraid I have little to add. When it comes to human behaviour I tend to look for solutions in economics and evolutionary biology, but the OP has identified an area -- human female sexual behaviour -- where all bets are currently off. Human sexuality is protean. It has taken varied forms in different cultures and periods of history. Now this shapeshifting beast is being radically remodelled by technology and the chaotic, ongoing revolution we call global society. In particular, some consequences of the new-media explosion -- for example, the rise of celebrity culture and the massification of porn, which has gone from a niche industry operating out of backstreet holes and corners to a multibillion-dollar commodity within arm's reach of everybody -- are having profound and complex effects on sexuality.

Oddly enough, no-one on the thread has yet mentioned the most important factor in this reinvention of sexuality: the altered power balance between men and women. The worldwide and growing empowerment of women began with their absorption into the workforce in huge numbers in Britain, the USSR and America during the Second World War. It was assured in the 1960s with the introduction of reliable contraceptive methods that were under women's rather than men's control.

The chap who blames the feminists and the lady who agreed with him may have a point... but only up to a point. I think feminism was a necessary and inevitable product of its time. It was a result, not a cause of female empowerment and the sexual revolution. The feminists were simply thinking thoughts that needed to be thought and expressing in words what needed to be expressed about the consequences of that revolution. I know a great many feminists, and not one of them is a slut; the young women who parade their all-too-public private parts on television are certainly not feminists, whatever their claimed sexual politics might be.

I expect a few of these girls will use the fig-leaf of sexual liberation to cover up their own native lubriciousness, but I don't suppose many really bother. It is the people who sponsor, produce and air the TV programmes who use feminist rhetoric to jusify what they are doing. But liberation is not their goal. There is a good old-fashioned word for their work: it is called pandering.

On competitiveness: it is a given among both men and women. We just compete for different things. Men compete for status; women compete for men. At the moment, the competition among women is vicious and unceasing precisely because female human sexuality is caught up in the confusion of change; no-one really knows what the ground rules are in this new feminized, overmediated, porn-saturated world. And not only have the rules changed, the prizes have too: men aren't the same as they used to be.

Actually, this is a great time to be a man. Women have never been so available, so aware of what men want, so competitively eager to provide it for them and so willing to sell themselves cheaply. Happy days indeed for serial fornicators and sexual predators. No wonder bad guys are getting the most girls.

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If I could flag your post I would... You got something there-- the balance of the "sexual" powers are shifting. This is what I would like to elaborate on...

What are the repercussions on society and traditional institution?




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Not really adding anything to the debate, but this one time the Onion ran an article; "Girl Gone Wild Actually Just Regular Girl, Only More Drunk and Insecure". Thought I'd share

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i think it's less of any grandois revolution or sexual awakening, but rather a concerted effort to keep people more and more distracted using explicit sexuality (and anything close to it)

so that they spend less and less time focusing on the serious going ons of the world.

distractions.. bread and circus.
pacifiers for the masses playing on their instinctual base urges.


sure you can say... anybody will do anything for money.. or .. anyone will eventually come up with this or that... as a business idea etc.. in a capitalistic society... and get a few wrist slaps etc.... "the market decides" etc..

true but those in control who would reign in specific oversteppings of morality and obscenity in the public at large.. on the airwaves etc... are repeatedly letting material that's sexually explicit fly around as common if not more common.. than the news of the day.. (which isn't the real important news anyway)

so.. i think it's just for distraction.

hey.. don't look there.. look here..oooh you want this don't you monkey.. yea look at THIS . not THAT.


etc....

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uuhhmm... what if it's just that women are as horny as men, and they are finally liberated enough to express it?

[edit on 10-7-2008 by jimmyx]

Good post

As a 23 year old male, I feel some sort of slut social programing is going on. I am extremely socialy liberal but fiscally conservative =D I have no religious inclination so I'm not a hatter, But I can say this I have bin seeing more and more girls ages 12-16 wearing short, shorts that even my liberal self doesn't think they should be wearing that stuff. When I was ages 12-16 I almost never so girls dressing the way so many do now, something is going on.

It also does not help when I go to the gym and see some 16 year old girl on a stair master in front of me, with short, shorts on and when I say short, I mean short I can see her butt. I can tell you this much some sick thoughts ran through my mind

I am sick to death of those commercials coming on every night.
I had the unique opportunity to tell this **SNIP** (the creator of GGW) off one night and run him out of my bar. They brought this crap to one of our local nightclubs. Since there are laws here prohibiting public nudity, they held the "interviews" on their bus. After they were done for the night, a couple of them came to my bar just to hang out. It was then when I met him. Needless to say, I made an impression. Halfway through his drink, he got up and stormed out, saying he would never be back here again. Fine by me, since I did not want him there to begin with.
A few people were wearing GGW hats or carrying t-shirts and I told them all that the attire was not welcome there and made that go away as well.

On another note, I know a few people who have ordered the videos. They were charged nearly $60 and never received any product at all.

This company is a scam that preys on the self-esteem of young girls and the immorality of men.

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Originally posted by Astyanax

The chap who blames the feminists and the lady who agreed with him may have a point... but only up to a point. I think feminism was a necessary and inevitable product of its time. It was a result, not a cause of female empowerment and the sexual revolution. The feminists were simply thinking thoughts that needed to be thought and expressing in words what needed to be expressed about the consequences of that revolution. I know a great many feminists, and not one of them is a slut; the young women who parade their all-too-public private parts on television are certainly not feminists, whatever their claimed sexual politics might be.

I agree with Astyanax and especially the point that they definitely are not feminists, quite the opposite in my opinion. There are many girls like this where I live and it's obvious they have no self esteem at all, plenty of babies though. I think the UK has the highest rate of single underage/young mothers. I look at them and despair at what they are doing with their lives and also with the men that so crassly use them, have they no respect for themselves either?

I don't know where this downward spiral is going to end but it surely can't continue, we have a large percentage of a whole generation that have nothing of value in their lives and value nothing but material goods and physical satisfaction.

I think this phenomena is part of a sad, group mentality. You've got a group of young girls who are free from parental oversight. There's booze, there's dance music. These young people are used to being the center of attention.

Throw in a camera, a little coaxing from a perved production crew, and you've got a disaster in the making. Young women performing acts, they would have never considered otherwise.

i dont understand why some guys are complaining the only reasonable complaint i have is why am i not there doing it with them.

"The only sensible way to live is in a world without rules!" JOKER

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That's a good question, Razor, let's try that again;

Why not?