Free Energy Idea.. Need input and Help

hey guys been a long time since i posted

i have been pondering over an idea of mine for a while it may seem :O but here goes...

The idea is of a Solar Pod, it is a Sphere which separates at the center to become to halfs, inside is an a layer of Copper under a layer of Solar panels, in the center on a plastic rod is an LED. look at the Diagram below..




Its a crude drawing but u see the structure.

The two halfs are locked together

The idea is that if u start the LED using a starter battery, it will power up the solar cells inside to start outputing Voltage which can power the LED then the battery can be takes off for the Solar Panles to power the LED and the LED to power the Solar panels.

with the power requirement for the LED at 3Volts there will be more output from the solar panels than 3volts, you can output the extra power to other uses. Once the LED is powering the Solar panels and visa versa it wont stop untill the sphere is opened.

Now i know 1 sphere wouldnt generate much, but 100 or 200 in a cluster would generate alot.

I have gone over this idea alot, but i dont have the resources to build
wish i could..

What u think guys?
Is this gonna work?

sostyles

I remember asking my science teacher something similar, about a sphere with two-way mirrors on the inside and light bouncing around the inside. Ultimately to provide a constant light source. (I was only 14)

She said that in order to see the light emitted, that some would have to escape or leak, making the sphere run out of "charge".


I think your idea is good. However you would need a Very bright light, and Very sensitive Solar panels. I would like to see some of these "free" energy devices in the working stage, but for the most part I think they will need a Lot of tweaking and give quite a small amount of output.

Maybe it would be possible to design one that uses only a small amount of power but gives a lot by comparison, instead of a completely free one?

Nice diagram by the way.

how do you know that the energy generated from the solar panels is greater than the energy needed to power the led?

the solarpanels makes energy from the led light, so these have to be more than 100% efficient or otherwise the led has..

whats the secret?

Eh, I dunno about your idea. LEDs use hardly any energy at all, but then they produce very low-intensity light, which I would imagine to be practically useless for PV cells in any configuration.

Nice to see people thinking, though.

I suppose this would have to be some "ideal" LED that can mimic the real Sunlight because most solar panels are barely 20% efficient, if at all under normal circumstances.

Also, LEDs do not impose much of a load on any circuit and for this device to be useful it would have to allow some kind of a load to be attached to it (a motor for example).

Granted, there are small solar powered motors that will work, but then again why bother with a LED to begin with...just keep the panels in the daylight.

You might need to have more electronics because in normal circuits you cannot just close the loop between the input and output. Then again why don't you just try?

Get yourself a decent surplus solar panel for a few bucks that can output couple of volts, a LED and a nice capacitor, something like 1F/5V. Hook them all in parallel and see what happens...

I think you will probably need a switching circuit between the capacitor and the LED, or at least a SIDAC in series with the LED that will discharge 3-4V to the LED when the capacitor is charged.
Of course at this point you are at the mercy of the solar panel and how fast it can charge the capacitor...

Just tossing some ideas, matter a fact I might try this myself since I have all the parts, though I'm not holding my breath it would work. This kind of Perpetuum Mobile device is a pipe dream because it would have to have 100% efficiency without losses...a superconductor at room temperature.

Dont waste your time, solar cells are pretty inefficient and to expect to create more energy than you put in defies conservation of energy laws and is impossible.

Now if you went along similar construction but utilized a unique lensing effect of sun rays you may have something that could be used.

Ive always wondered if you could use magnifying lenses focused onto an alloyed thermocouple ( yet to be discovered ) and you could get a decent voltage out of the terminals. Thermocouples put out millivolts with temperature above ambient but its pretty much only used in industry to measure temperatures and not to generate electricity.

Thanks for your Input all.

It was also one of my problems with the Sphere that the LED would not be able to produce enough light for the Panels.

The one thing i was hoping on was that because of the Enclosed space the Light would be bright enough because once the Sphere is locked together no light would be able to get out or in.

Does anyone know if the light of an Bright LED would create power for Solar panels at that distance. if so what would be their Output and Input requirements.

Thanks
Sostyles

LED's are basically weak light that is focused through a lense to give the impression of being bright, however if they were so powerful why do you need so many on a car tail light ?. Even if you captured 100% of the emission from an LED after the low efficiancy of a solar panel you would be well below the energy required to even power the LED.

I suggest you delve into the discociation of water into Hydrogen and Oxygen for a net gain of energy ( Free Energy Machine ) if you can cheaply split water to produce these base elements then you are onto a winner, at the moment it takes more electrical energy to split water than what is gained in net joules of hydrogen and oxygen. If you could use an efficient way of using solar panels to generate electricity to split water ( electrolysis ) then you would be rich.

I just came across this free energy device.
www.fuellesspower.com...

He sold the devices at one time and now only sells the plans.

Apparently though not exactly the same as someone's patent
it works on the same principle so he got punked.

Imagine getting a free energy patent, your as good as gold and got
it all locked up for yourself.

If you want free energy use atomic gases because they can provide
electricity and recombine to normal state using 'dark matter' particles.

Helium can lose or change electron energy levels and recapture them
or take 'dark matter' energy and return to normal electron shell levels.

Atoms can lose a Helium nucleus (alpha radiation) or proton from
UV radiation (from a spark) becoming charged and recapturing
the normal state.

Even gases in liquid state may provide a free energy advantage.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I just came across this free energy device.
www.fuellesspower.com...

He sold the devices at one time and now only sells the plans.

Apparently though not exactly the same as someone's patent
it works on the same principle so he got punked.

Imagine getting a free energy patent, your as good as gold and got
it all locked up for yourself.

These people have been debunked as frauds.

"In the last part of June 2001, Rick Harrison, president of Creative Sciences sent an email to KeelyNet saying he was prepared to sue if we did not stop 'bad-mouthing' his company. The website is www.fuellesspower.com... and I told him go ahead, since I and many others would love to see them prove their overunity claims in court. Since then he has not responded back and the website is not responding, so I think they are changing their claims. We also have several emails from others who say Creative ripped them off and one from Brazil saying its been 60 days after he sent about $115.00 and received nothing."

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In fact, worse than snake oil. Depending on which product you're looking at, either they're violating the laws of thermodynamics (impossible) or they're being misleading about what drives the device or how much it uses.

Do not give these people any of your money, unless you see it as an interesting hobby to debunk junk "science".

I did not check out every single product/plan, so I suppose there could be a legitimate one in there somewhere with actual results and proof. That would not change my opinion of them at all.

I'm not sure if they sell this particular idea, but a common one in this category was the oil/friction heater. Yup, I think they have that one too.

Anyway, the theory is the you use a motor, usually an electric motor, to drive a paddle, or an auger inside a closed container of oil. This forces the oil to move through the narrow spaces between the walls of the container, and the paddles or auger. This friction produces lots of heat. The tricky part is they now imply that you get more heat out than the electricity you put in, because when you unplug the motor, it still gives off heat for some time. And the oil is not "used up" or consumed. Magic! We're getting heat out of oil without using the oil up.


False rotten baloney. Carefully measured, an electrically driven friction device is exactly the same efficiency as any ordinary resistance electric heater.

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Good post.
Anything with God all over a web page pushing devices is to be avoided.

I didn't see the heater but the motor has a lot of external wires.

If indeed he is using low level magnetics and bouncing a switched
coil mag field off aluminum then it is low torque.

Some principles are little known but don't suppose them in your mind.
And with no disclosure you are out of luck.

Its like the wonder fly catcher you order and its a box with a lid.
Fly goes in the box and you put the lid on catching the fly.

However as much as Tesla is thought of as using magnetics he
was actually using the electric field generated by coils.

ED: Needed.. free energy device inspectors to combat the deluge of
free energy device web sites.
www.keelynet.com...
The Clem from one of your links.
Change of state in liquids can only be a medium of energy
and perhaps ether of 'dark matter' energy.
If they kept the pressure and heat up before the nine days
I wonder what the outcome would be.


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If you want to really make something with free energy, make a tesla coil. Who wouldn't love the day when they can call the electric company and tell them to go shove it because you make your own power? Not to mention you could start making more and giving then out to other people, it would totally rape electric companies of their profits.

"What u think guys?
Is this gonna work?"

>>Electronics is formerly a professional vocation of mine, so I do have an opinion:

This idea might work and here's my reasoning:
When I GOOGLized..."solar cell", "light emitting diode" and both of those with "electrical efficiency" one after the other for comparison, the LEDs gave an efficiency of 4-10% and the high efficiency(read: expensive) solar cells gave up to 25% in terms of light vs. power consumed.

So, if you used just a few LEDs to limit power draw from a source battery, and maximize the number of solar cells to generate power, you might come out ahead in the long run on your recharge battery---assuming you use one. Also, use the utla-bright LEDs. There are commercial retail LED flashlights on the market that should work okay. Shine one on a medium-sized solar panel an see what the power output vs. input looks like on a volt/ammeter.

mazzeroth posted elsewhere in this thread that using a lens focussing method to concentrate light would be a good idea and I agree. Dealing with the excessive heat generated would also add to the efficiency of the system if the heat itself was utilized to generate power.

sostyles also asked about the power input requirements/light output availability for solar cells/LEDs. This information whould be downloadable on GOOGLE using the search arguments I used above.

I like the idea, but I cannot see the LED providing adequate light for the solar cells to be able to generate electricity.

Another idea though, would be to use fiber optic cable to transmit either sunlight or manufactured light that is already being used into the disc. Let's say you need a light on in your office for instance, why not transmit some of that light through fiber optics into the solar cell disk? While you'd likely never be able to generate as much electricity as you are using, it would still be a way to get at least something back.

As has been pointed out, good solar panels are usually about 15 percent efficient, up to perhaps 40 for expensive, experimental ones. An output of 683 lm/W represents 100% efficiency for a light. LEDs put out about 20-60, with some of the very newest prototypes putting out about 160-170, about 25% efficient.

If you're generous with your assumptions, you'll only get 10% of the power dissipated by the LED back to power the LED. Clearly a non-starter.

Since it's enclosed the solar panels run ONLY on the light generated by the LED, and the LED turns 25% or less of the electricity it uses to light; the rest becomes heat. Likewise the solar panels only turn a fraction of the light they get to electricity, the rest to heat. Light is actually USED by solar panels. It doesn't just magically generate power by light bouncing off of it; the photons actually have to be absorbed, so they can move electrons.

Remember: Volts are not a measure of energy or power. You could arrange the solar panels to pick up quite a few volts from the LED, but their internal impedance would be too high to actually light the bulb, since they are only collecting 1/10th the energy that was originally powering it.

The whole idea is fundamentally the exact same as connecting a generator to a motor, plugging them into each other, and then giving it a spin. Except that both generators and motors are much more efficient than both solar panels and LEDs right now.