A Very Scary, Very Disturbing Blog Post About The Coming 2008 Economic Crash

reply to post by dunwichwitch


They are not going to let you walk away.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
I'm sure the Mason is gunna tell you it's okay.

Please, get over your childish conspiracies about masons. Rockpuck is a mason and is predicting the next Great Depression - literally - hes having a debate about it in the ATS Debates forum. And this is why you should probably not say such things like this - it removes all doubt about your ignorance. Your supposed to be denying, it remember?

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Do you know about money and the economy, Mason?

I'm no economist, but apparently I'm more informed than the doom and gloomers like you.

Your personal socialist rant about money is meaningless. In fact, it reveals how correct I am about the doom and gloom crowd praying for economic apocalypse. If you want to live in a commune without money go ahead, don't enforce your Marxist ideology on everyone else. Its not up to me or the government to save you from having to - gasp - work.

Your nothing but a populist propagandist. You feed and get off on making imaginary divisions and stirring up peoples emotions who are upset because someone else has more than them.

Alternative research is not what is going on in this thread, its nothing but unaltered doom and gloom. Don't call things like this research, it insults real research. And by the way, I think the real conspiracy is people like you. Your making up conspiracies to distract people from the real evil in this world.

Now for the love of God, please do some actual research. Your populist and anti-mason propaganda is causing the thread to stink even more than it already does.

reply to post by ALightinDarkness


I respect the masons a lot, and I am seriously considering joining.

reply to post by Swingarm


Don't worry, I know how stars work on ATS - a star means "you may have absolutely no proof or evidence for your claims, but you are spewing a propaganda I personally want to believe in, so let's give each other a back slap." The less stars the better. I prefer truth over propaganda.

reply to post by windwaker


Something we can agree on. If you need any help on that or have questions about the process, PM me. Even me and Rockpuck like each other, and were on the opposite ends of the economic spectrum.

Regarding Freemasonry, I believe that Barack Obama is a Prince Hall Freemason.

reply to post by windwaker


Off topic, but just FYI...

There have been rumors about that, but I haven't seen any evidence of it. There are a few threads in the Secret Societies forum about it that you might want to read up on if your curious though - I think the consensus from the masons is its not true.

reply to post by windwaker


I read that in numerous sources too.

The elite are coming close to being exposed for the fraud that has been pulled on all of us, we've been tricked into admirality law and you no longer live by the laws of your constitution.
People are becoming aware of this and the elite know somthing has got to done or the jig is up. Films like fredom to facism show how you are manipulated through statutes that change who you are . If you look at most statutes you'll see the deffinitions in the back change you from a natural person into some fictitious legal entity like taxpayer or driver etc.
Problem is most people just don't understand how significant this is.Have you ever noticed the things that are a real thorn in your side you had to apply for to begin with?
On top of that there is a host of tricks used against you in court if you try to expose and fight these statutes. If you want to protesct yourself in court you have to establish common law jurisdiction.A lawyer will not help you with this. Lawyers serve the bar #1 then the public #2 then lastly the client. here is some info from blacks law dictionary.It will explain the significance of you capitalized name and the status it places you in. Also how your tricked through joinders even if you do have some knowledge of this. It takes some time to learn but it's worth it even if you do not plan to use it. this stuff is used against you on marriage,birth certificates(giving state control of your children) drivers licenses. It's also commonly used to trick you by providing some kind of benifit.

John Doe - Capitis Diminutio Minima

The lowest or least comprehensisive degree of loss of status.This occurred where a man's family relations alone were changed.

It happened upon the arrogation (pride) of a person who had been his own master (surjuris) ( of his own right, not under any legal disability)

It left the rights of liberty and citizenship unaltered.

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You are a soveriegn a country of your own under CD minima until you "plug in" to the legal system or social contract ie Bill of rights (Canada)
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John DOE - Capitis Diminutio Media

A lesser or medium loss of status this occured where a man loses his rightsof citizenship, but without losing his liberty. It carried away also the family rights.

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JOHN DOE - Capitis Diminutio Maxima

The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occured when a man's conditionwas changed from one of freedom to one of bondage,
when he became a slave . It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

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Rules are made to be boken however,

Federal interpretations act common names,

#38. The name commonly applied to any country , place , body, corporation, society, officer functionary, person, party or thing means the country..(same as former list)..party or thing to which the name is not the formalor extended designation thereof.

So.. the formal name formation dos'nt matter until you get into contracts. If you are trying to find out if it's a natural or artificial person you must find the source of creation of the name. OK?
_____________________________________________________________

Joinder of a natural and artificial person

What is a Joinder?

Joinder - Joining or coupling together uniting two or more constituents or elements in one, uniting another person in some legal step or proceeding union concurrence.

How must occur?

Voluntary , Unconstrained by interferance unimpelled by another's influence spontanious acting on ones self. Proceeding from the free and unrestricted will of the person.

Why must it be Voluntary?

Universal declaration of human rights Dec 10 1948

Article 4

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all there forms.

How can it occur?

TACIT

Tacit consent is consent iferred from the fact that the party kept silence when he had an oppurtunity to forbid or refuse.

or if you did'nt say no you said yes.

Tacit Acceptance - In cival law a tacit acceptance of an inheritance (position) takes place when some act is done by the heir which nessesarily supposes his intention to accept and which he would have no right to do, but in his capacity as heir (person)

Anyone who tries to tell capitalization in insignificant is either a liar or just dos'nt know any better and in some cases both.

There are an increasing amount of people learning their rights. It's really worth the little bit of effort that it takes.

Here is new news from the Netherlands..

Very disturbing...

Here

Fortis Bank... So basically, they say that the US market will collapse in the days or weeks to come, and that about 6000 banks are gonna go bankrupt.

And you add Bloomberg talking about 5000$ an ounce for gold in the next few years... and at least 170$ oil if there's no attack on Iran, and that the world economy would collapse if oil was to reach 200$... which it will easily if Iran is bombed.

Banks Say Auction-Rate Investors Can't Have Money
Faster Inflation May Unleash `Financial Tsunami': Chart of Day

[edit on 29-6-2008 by Vitchilo]

reply to post by ALightinDarkness


Without saying too much (because I believe that it is a sacred pursuit) I have always been drawn to Freemasonry. Though I am scared about current events, and though I am suspicious, I can feel The Power behind things and I am drawn toward it.

I don't know if I am yet worthy to be a Freemason. It requires a lot. I wanted to wait until I proved myself in career and in financial success before attempting. I am also not sure if my spiritual perspective aligns with that of Freemasons, but I always felt it was very close.

I don't think the fact that I am in close contact with very smart and very influencial people is a coincidence. There is no reason for someone from my background to know the people I do or to be as lucky as I am. I am unusually protected.

I make very close to six figures a year and I have absolutely no criminal record. I've never even had a parking ticket. And I have this incredible desire to change things, even though I have selfish needs (the need for a lot of money and influence.)

I have a desire for a lot, lots an lots of money. I like the stock market and I watch the market (US and foreign markets) almost 24/7. I like big numbers and seeing them grow. I like the multiplication of money.

Though I was born Christian and I was once a Born-Again Christian, I am now a strong believer in Money and the System of Money. In my mind, it is necessary to establish achievement and to ensure a fair society that keeps man free from slavery and the oppression from malicious people.

The reason why I am worried about the immediate future is because I do not want to lose my prospects, and I know that after the dust clears there will be a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a real fortune.

This is the Gods-honest truth from me.



[edit on 29-6-2008 by windwaker]

Here might be the best 45-minutes you’ll spend all year. This the TRUE story behind the money-from-nothing monetary system and how banking and bankers control the economy – at your expense and mine.

Animated, but very well done. An eye-opener and a great education – share it with all young adults important to you. Unfortunately, for reasons that will become obvious, this brief lesson is NEVER taught in public schools or discussed in the main-stream-media…

This will encapsulate and clearly explain why the economy is about to collapse:

Money (theirs) as Debt (yours)

Google Video Link

Money (theirs) as Debt (yours)

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[edit on 6/29/2008 by Outrageo]

Originally posted by Shrukin89
The problem that I have is the decision of what to do with the money that I have at the bank. Whether or not if I should take half of it out to buy it on emergency food supplies, or take all of it out and exchange it for gold when the Amero comes out.

I have given this a great deal of thought. Those who are telling people to buy gold are also telling people to keep it in their homes. Storing gold in your home is a terrible idea. The government will be tracking who is hoarding gold and I do not put it past greedy people in the government to steal the gold people stock pile in their homes. That leaves you with burying your gold. Good luck finding it when you need it and people tend notice men with heavy bags or boxes going off into the wilderness with shovels. Gold will be confiscated when taken to the bank as it was during the first depression.

More likely people will resort to barter in the event of depression. Even if you have gold you would also resort to barter because no one will want to give a gold coin away for a loaf of bread. Money was invented because a barter economy is a pain for those who collect taxes. This why as much fun as watching people turn into paupers is the rich and powerful in the government do not allow depressions to last long.

If you have money pay off your house and all loans. Invest in land that is fertile and organic seeds. Once the poop hits the fan it will not be hard to find labor for your land. Food = money when the economy fails ,and wealth is derived from the labor of other people.

[edit on 29-6-2008 by eradown]

reply to post by Outrageo


Thats a great video as is money masters.

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Also the crime of the canadian banking system by bill abrams. these films illustrate why we are were we are now.

video.google.com...#

[edit on 29-6-2008 by Swingarm]

reply to post by windwaker


I am unsure, but from what your saying you might want to rethink masonry a bit more. It does not require any financial success to join, indeed I know quite a few masons in poverty. It does not give you power, nor help you get power. It provides no protection from anything, although the brethren will help you out if your on hard times.

Its a system of esoteric philosphy and a large amount of effort goes into charity. While I have no doubt that there is no ominous dooms-day economc crash in September, masons are impacted by the economy just like everyone else - they are normal people. In fact, most of the people who benefit from masonry are non-masons from the charity we do, which is almost exclusively to non-masons.

It sort of makes me smile. While I'm no believer in the ATS doom and gloom brigade, I do find it amusing that if anything were to actually happen alot of people who think the masons are behind the bad econom would be benefiting from masonic charity.

Originally posted by windwaker
reply to post by dunwichwitch

 

They are not going to let you walk away.

Well not just me! Lots and lots and lots of people all around the world.

It's gunna take a miracle to get people united enough to do something like that.

I'm not Jesus. I'm just talking, and maybe I'm getting through to people, maybe not... oh well. I hope I am.

Still... we're not quite sure of the actual causes of all of this stuff we think is one way, when it's probably something so far removed from our understanding most of the time, that we literally all must have life changing events which radically alter the way we view the world in order to see it.

A paradigm shift... which is happening... which I truly felt was just BS new age talk until it began happening to me. I'm telling everyone on this board to explore their feelings, and don't be afraid to give your ego a good thrashing in order to expose the juicy bits right under the surface, the answer is not that far down if you dig. If ya dig.

What's being sold to you as the way things are... they are just so not that way, the very soldiness of our belief systems really surprises me, because it's such a thin line between buying their bullcrap and figuring it out for yourself, you find yourself slapping your forehead and going "duhhhh!"

It's not the first time we've questioned reality. As we're growing up, there are several times we challenge the conse4nsus reality. All the time when we're little kids. We still have all that wonder, and as years and years so by, all of these fabricated and indoctrinated social pressures kill the wonder, and the mind closes. The last death throes may come during adolescence, but a lot of people also have mid life crises, and as you get old, people question what's next after this reality.... and you get the idea... but these things subconsciously show through our social behaviour.

This is not right... our society. It is not truly for us at all.

But violence isn't going to solve this either. When someone hits me, all I wanna do is hit them back. It goes on and on like that for a time, until people just grow tired of it. Tired of all the greed, hate, and violence in the world.

I truly do think people are tired of the violence... and I see small signs.

Don't be a doom and gloomer, but realize what you are up against...and how to outsmart it. You won't out-power it.... but you have something it doesn't a living soul capable of meaningful creation.

The only way to outsmart it is to get around it. The only way to get around it is to join forces as first as neighbors, then as states, then as a whole country... it's gotta start somewhere... and I dunno where it will start, but something's about to trigger it...

I honestly think there is positive things in store for us sooner than we think. Best thing to do, if you can't get up in arms about these things right now... just be positive. It's such a hard thing to do, but it might be the only thing we can do yet.

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
reply to post by windwaker

 

I am unsure, but from what your saying you might want to rethink masonry a bit more. It does not require any financial success to join, indeed I know quite a few masons in poverty. It does not give you power, nor help you get power. It provides no protection from anything, although the brethren will help you out if your on hard times.

Its a system of esoteric philosphy and a large amount of effort goes into charity. While I have no doubt that there is no ominous dooms-day economc crash in September, masons are impacted by the economy just like everyone else - they are normal people. In fact, most of the people who benefit from masonry are non-masons from the charity we do, which is almost exclusively to non-masons.

It sort of makes me smile. While I'm no believer in the ATS doom and gloom brigade, I do find it amusing that if anything were to actually happen alot of people who think the masons are behind the bad econom would be benefiting from masonic charity.

While I respect your faith in what you are a part of, I distrust any group doing anything secretly, and freemasons seem to be slipping into every seat in congress, every place of power, and it's all done very discreetly and indirectly. Everybody I know who's a somebody is a freemason... and while that does not make them bad people, it makes them somewhat of potential pawns, and also it doesn't really look too great when the freemasons decide to piss their mark on everything, take all the seats of power, AND gain financially from it by getting favored job positions, getting judge pardons sometimes.... and a charity? Come on now, sir. If all these charities were nonprofit and for the people, where's human progress going? Why does everything seem like whatver charity is going on is purely superficial?

Did you ever think your group could be using the guise of charity to save face? Build a habitat for humanity here or there, feed a few needy people for a day, donate stinky old clothes to stinky poor people... hey the world is saved, right?

How many charities are there that all together generate billions per year? and where is this billions a year going? Couldn't that billions save an entire city from getting bombed by paying off the dirty politicians and warlords in both their and our armies and telling them to go do something else, or at least provide protection? REAL protection, not American soldiers with a penchant for killing puppies and women and children. Where's the charity money really going? Perhaps they are using the chaity money to buy favors or to show charity to other Masons...

but how can we trust one guy who says it's all good? Have you met the guy the Pope bows to? Do you know the master plan?


You can say you're a Mason and you know enough about Masonry to say that none of that is happening... but does that make it true? Are you sure you know, or do you just want to be sure you know?

[edit on 29-6-2008 by dunwichwitch]

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
While I respect your faith in what you are a part of, I distrust any group doing anything secretly, and freemasons seem to be slipping into every seat in congress, every place of power, and it's all done very discreetly and indirectly.

Any distrust of a group purely because you aren't invited to the meetings (that's about the extent of the secrecy) makes no sense. I don't believe the Girl Scouts are up to evil either, and I'm not invited to their meetings. Also, your just wrong that masons are somehow slipping into "every seat of power." There is not one international leader who is a mason, and there are a handful of Freemasons in Congress. Also, since the masonic fraternity trumpets every single person of prominence who is a member, there is nothing "discreet" about the very few masons who actually do hold power.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Everybody I know who's a somebody is a freemason... and while that does not make them bad people, it makes them somewhat of potential pawns, and also it doesn't really look too great when the freemasons decide to piss their mark on everything, take all the seats of power, AND gain financially from it by getting favored job positions, getting judge pardons sometimes

I think you've been reading to much anti-masonic propganda and haven't been fact checking. I want you to name one national or international leader who is a confirmed mason. I know anti-masons claim EVERY national leader is a mason, but they are quite simply not telling the truth. The last masonic president was Ford. I know lots of powerful people in academic and political circles, and almost none of them are masons.

Its pretty hard to "gain financially" from freemasonry since being a good mason requires you give your time and money to charity. Also, despite the anti-masonic propganda lure of the tales, there has never been any case I've heard where a mason got away with something due to their affiliation. If anything, a mason who is a judge is likely to be more strict to a fellow mason.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
.... and a charity? Come on now, sir. If all these charities were nonprofit and for the people, where's human progress going? Why does everything seem like whatver charity is going on is purely superficial?

What are you talking about? Charity has been around since society began, and the existence of charity is not magically going to turn society into utopia. Can you list 1 confirmed thing a masonic charity has done that is "purely superficial"?

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Did you ever think your group could be using the guise of charity to save face? Build a habitat for humanity here or there, feed a few needy people for a day, donate stinky old clothes to stinky poor people... hey the world is saved, right?

Charity does not exist to save the world or make it to your liking. It exists because someones cares enough to give their time and money, when they do not have to. If you think every good act is harboring some sort of diabolical evil, your going to be a very bitter person.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
How many charities are there that all together generate billions per year? and where is this billions a year going?

Look for yourself. If its a charity, all of its documents are open to the public. You can find out exactly where its going if you were interested in the truth...but it looks like your just interested in a rant.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Couldn't that billions save an entire city from getting bombed by paying off the dirty politicians and warlords in both their and our armies and telling them to go do something else, or at least provide protection? REAL protection, not American soldiers with a penchant for killing puppies and women and children. Where's the charity money really going?

Your getting off into a partisan rant now - masonic charities are not partisan.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Perhaps they are using the chaity money to buy favors or to show charity to other Masons...

That shows an overwhelming amount of ignorance. If you did 5 minutes of research it would quickly become apparent that the overwhelming majority of masonic charity benefits non-masons. I have never benefited from masonic charity. If my apartment was burned down, yes, the lodge might help me pay for a hotel room or pay for some furniture for a new apartment. Oh my god, that is so evil!

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
You can say you're a Mason and you know enough about Masonry to say that none of that is happening... but does that make it true? Are you sure you know, or do you just want to be sure you know?

I can tell you've bought whole sale into conspiracy propaganda. Whatever sort of conspiracy you want to buy into, its not happening in masonry. I strongly implore you do some research into the facts about masonry, and do not believe everything you read on anti-masonic propaganda sites and blogs.

[edit on 29-6-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

Originally posted by windwaker
I just did a Google search regarding the possibility of a global economic collapse this year, and I found the most disturbing and believable post I've ever read...

I am doing my best to try to protect myself and my family, the very little I can, which involves saving as much money as I can, buying gold and diversifying my money in different currencies, but it all seems futile.

saving fiat dollars or even foreign money is definitely futile !

since all fiat monies of every nation are going to decrease in value as
deflation sets in... there will also be multitudes with foreclosed houses,
tremendous lay-offs, and good/services/credit will all deflate to something like the 1940's post WW2 days with ration cards divvied out.


i see the OP is dated November 2007 ---
well, a lot of folks seen the handwriting on the wall for the economy back in Aug & Sept '07... the downturn we're experiencing now is caused from unrestrained predatory capitalism, allowed by the repeal of Glass-Steagel Act (sp?)...rampant elitist fraud on the financial markets, brought about with the 2005-2006 mad credit and creative mortgage madness.
the inflated stock market valuations. etc
The condensed version the OP made did not address the banking system nor the Federal Reserve as the driving force behind a 2008 economic collapse, in ?Sept?...
the OP held out the notion of a dictaorial government led by bureaucratic oligarchs that would enslave the majority of the populace...


his jargon was for that time normal gloom-&-doom rhetoric, which as the historical record shows did not bring us to this current economic mess..

And this mess will not really be peaking till February 2009 or some months later...

i see the US Mint 'Silver Eagles' are no longer being minted nor circulated
so one could purchase Canadian Loonies instead... because paper monies
will be worth about 20cents of todays crappy doller value (worth about 72 cents this June '08)


i just cannot agree with your value judgement of that Nov '07 OP,
on a scale of 1-10 i'd give it a 2... and that's for the entertainment value not the supposed eye-opening futuristic forecast


XX = 2 each De-Stars is my assessment