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Originally posted by Dan Tanna
I was aprt of the group that fought against the wind farm proposed on the Western isles. (we won thankfully).
Lets have a quick look at some points.
1) for every turbine there needs to be an anchor base. Each base is on average 1000 tonnes of concrete. A 500 turbine 'farm' therefore needs 1/2 million tonnes of concrete.
2) each wind farm is placed in a remote location - these locations need road access... for the windfarm on lewis there needed to be roughly 100 miles of roads built that were strong enough to take lorries 24 hrs a day.
3) Peat. Most of scotlands wind farms are built upon peatlands. Now, peat is 70 % stored CO2. Dig up a tonne of peat and you get .7 of a tonne of CO2 released into the air. Our 1/2 million tonne wind farm concrete means digging up 1/2 million tonnes of peat... releasing 350,000 tonnes of CO2 into the air.
Thats more CO2 into the air in construction than can ever be saved during the wind factories entire life time.
Thats not including the tonnage of peat dug up for roads and facilities.
Now we get to the power available.
Do you realise that for every watt out put there needs to be a back up to match the out put watt for watt in case of failure ?
In that case it would be smarter to build a nuclear station, have it running at the wind farms full capacity 24 hours a day, save millions of tonnes of concrete having to be produced (massive CO2 damage in concrete production alone) save that 350,000 tonnes of CO2 being released into the air from diggin up the peat...
and lets not forget the damage to the world as we dig up the materials to make thousands of miles of cables and pylons...
Wind farms are a con to make people think they are needed. They are not. They are wasteful, damaging, bad, far worse for the environment than any other source of power, and lets not get started on the damage they have to peoples health who have to live near them.
Originally posted by ironman433
Originally posted by Dan Tanna
And how about all of the waste that the nuclear plant creates ? over the life time of the generation plant how much toxic waste will be created ?
lets say that we compare a nuclear power plant to a wind farm over the period of 100 years ,, which would create more pollution in that period of time ?
Originally posted by Dan Tanna
I was aprt of the group that fought against the wind farm proposed on the Western isles. (we won thankfully).
Lets have a quick look at some points.
1) for every turbine there needs to be an anchor base. Each base is on average 1000 tonnes of concrete. A 500 turbine 'farm' therefore needs 1/2 million tonnes of concrete.
2) each wind farm is placed in a remote location - these locations need road access... for the windfarm on lewis there needed to be roughly 100 miles of roads built that were strong enough to take lorries 24 hrs a day.
3) Peat. Most of scotlands wind farms are built upon peatlands. Now, peat is 70 % stored CO2. Dig up a tonne of peat and you get .7 of a tonne of CO2 released into the air. Our 1/2 million tonne wind farm concrete means digging up 1/2 million tonnes of peat... releasing 350,000 tonnes of CO2 into the air.
Thats more CO2 into the air in construction than can ever be saved during the wind factories entire life time.
Thats not including the tonnage of peat dug up for roads and facilities.
Now we get to the power available.
Do you realise that for every watt out put there needs to be a back up to match the out put watt for watt in case of failure ?
In that case it would be smarter to build a nuclear station, have it running at the wind farms full capacity 24 hours a day, save millions of tonnes of concrete having to be produced (massive CO2 damage in concrete production alone) save that 350,000 tonnes of CO2 being released into the air from diggin up the peat...
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and lets not forget the damage to the world as we dig up the materials to make thousands of miles of cables and pylons...
Wind farms are a con to make people think they are needed. They are not. They are wasteful, damaging, bad, far worse for the environment than any other source of power, and lets not get started on the damage they have to peoples health who have to live near them.
Originally posted by Nohup
So what's the real "best answer?" Learning to minimize our need for such huge amounts of energy, including actively limiting the number of people who live on the planet.