Stuart Wheeler loses EU Lisbon Treaty court case

Stuart Wheeler loses EU Lisbon Treaty court case

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Stuart Wheeler, the spread-betting multi-millionaire, has lost his legal challenge to Gordon Brown's decision to ratify the Lisbon Treaty.
A High court ruling removed the last obstacle to Britain's ratification of the European Union's treaty despite Labour's manifesto for a public vote.

Mr Brown has been under intense pressure to declare the treaty dead after Irish voters rejected it in a referendum earlier this month.

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Really rather sad for the UK. Since the bullying of Ireland after the EU no vote lets hope the Irish dont buckle under the strain of the tyrants...

the Guardian does seem to have more coverage to the excuses the high court gave.

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good

It's about time this ridiculous lawsuit was dismissed.

A federalised Europe will happen sooner or later. Ireland cannot be allowed to stand in the way of the other 26 states.

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My apologies as an American bystander, in advance.

Any reason why self-determination is so vehemently derided? Doesn't it seem be against the concept of freedom that one nation must have no choice but to submit to the others? I understand the democratic principle, but to force the issue seems oppressive. Is that the modus operandi that the EU was founded upon?

I fear that America too will be denied the 'choice'. Hence, the interest in your position, which will certainly be echoed here in the US if and when the time comes.

Euroche do you beleive in democracy? Ireland was obliged to have a vote by its national constitution www.taoiseach.gov.ie....

The Lisbon treaty - can only be ratified if all member-states agree to do so.
You do understand what the word all means?

A vote should be given to all the citizens of the EU states not to Eurocrats whom decide on our future. As far as Stuart Wheeler is concerned good for him and i have no qualms in supporting him at all? The majority of people in the UK want a vote..

Have you read the Lisbon treaty?

Wheeler's case had no merit whatsoever. It's for Parliament to decide whether a referendum ought to have been held. If he thought Labour had broken their promises his logical step was to bring that to the attention of the public & campaign against the government in the usual way.

Parliament makes the decisions, not unelected tories with nothing better to do with their money. That being said I reckon Parliament has got it wrong. Increasing number of Brits want nothing to do with the EU whatsoever. Any time folks are given the chance to choose they are invariably hostile towards the EU & it's institutions.

There's more to this than the Lisbon Treaty - the whole case has destroyed the validity of party manifesto commitments (and statements). This case has given political parties the legal right to lie throughout the whole of their manifestos and to not be accountable for non-implementation of their promises, pledges, commitments etc.. whatever you might like to call them.

Personally, I would like to see a United Europe with common, harmonized law, regulation and taxation etc... But I wish for a democratic United Europe. Further, it is the people of individual nations whom should decide whether their nation merges its sovereignty with another nation or group of nations; our politicians should not have the right to represent us when they do not speak for us or conduct our wishes.

In my opinion, anyone whom supports the notion that the rights, opinions and wishes of individuals (regardless of whether those individuals collectively form a majority) may be disregarded for the sake of ones own wishes must be removed from the social group that is society. Such people are very definitely not social nor considerate enough of others to entertain social behavior. For those that struggle with this concept then I point you to my signature.

Rapacity.

Originally posted by Euroche
good

It's about time this ridiculous lawsuit was dismissed.

A federalised Europe will happen sooner or later. Ireland cannot be allowed to stand in the way of the other 26 states.

Well, im from the UK, and far is im concerned, i dont live in a STATE, i live in a sovereign COUNTRY

Niall197
I think the essence of this case has brought publicity to the quaqmire that is the Lisbon treaty shambles, the lack of democracy shown by other countries in the EU on the no from Ireland

The Tories may have a moan but are they doing anything to provide a vote for the UK.

The fact of the matter is this case was funded by Stuart and donations sent to him, it seems he is set to appeal ukpress.google.com...

His lawyers argued there were no "material differences" between the Constitutional Treaty - rejected by voters in France and the Netherlands in 2005 - and the Lisbon Treaty which replaced it.
But Lord Justice Richards and Mr Justice Mackay ruled that it had not been unreasonable for the Government to conclude there were material differences. No promise of a referendum could be implied, and Mr Wheeler's case "falls at the first hurdle".

lets not forget

www.freenations.freeuk.com...
CZECH PRESIDENT VACLAV KLAUS ON EUROPE AFTER THE IRISH NO

Interview with President Klaus about Irish rejection of the Lisbon Treaty

Autor: Petr Kolár | Publikováno: 20.6.2008 | Rubrika: Rozhovory
What do you think about the Irish NO?The whole of Europe should thank the Irish people for slowing down the current erroneous processes towards more unification, towards the suppression of nation states, towards a ‘Europe of regions’, and towards greater centralization from above, which the Lisbon Treaty embodied. The referendum was a perfect example of what ordinary people think about this development – at odds with the EU-supporting politicians whose motivation lies elsewhere. I thanked a few Irish personally.

In terms of a nation, sovereignty is the exclusive right to make and enforce its own laws, and to judge disputes of the law. Under Common Law the government can only act because the people (the creator of government) have authorised it. Hence the people are sovereign.

Sovereignty can be thought of as existing on many levels but in reality this is only representative as it ultimately resides in (and is never taken from) the people as individuals. It is the people who are the masters, government the servant.

The three cornerstones of national sovereignty are political, military and economic independence.

Throughout history there have been two competing philosophies of government. One holds to the idea that sovereignty lies in the people and that people have inherent and inalienable natural rights that precede the formation of, or exist prior to, the establishment of government.

This philosophy is called Common Law.

The other philosophy teaches that sovereignty lies in an absolute ruler or body of rulers and that rights exist only inasmuch as such rulers grant them. In effect there are no rights, only privileges. This philosophy has a number of names but most popularly is called Civil Law.

Originally posted by babylonstew
Well, im from the UK, and far is im concerned, i dont live in a STATE, i live in a sovereign COUNTRY

Well i live in the UK too; and we are far from sovereign.

We are not an independent nation and won't be ever again. You only need to look at the past ten years to see that we are not in control of our own destiny.

And i'd rather have a say in Europe; than have no say with our special relationship with the United States.

Originally posted by ladysharrowandherbarrow
Euroche do you beleive in democracy? Ireland was obliged to have a vote by its national constitution www.taoiseach.gov.ie....

I don't think public referendums are the best measure of deciding important national issues.

Otherwise we'd probably have long kicked out black people and brought back the death penalty for paedophiles.

The Lisbon treaty - can only be ratified if all member-states agree to do so.
You do understand what the word all means?

Well you can't go on about democracy and then say that Irelands no-vote should scuppter the collective political will of the other 26 or so nations.

A vote should be given to all the citizens of the EU states not to Eurocrats whom decide on our future. As far as Stuart Wheeler is concerned good for him and i have no qualms in supporting him at all? The majority of people in the UK want a vote..

I would support a vote if everybody ellegible was forced to vote.

Have you read the Lisbon treaty?

Have you?


[edit on 25-6-2008 by Euroche]