[HOAX] FBI building Attacked by UFO [HOAX]

Originally posted by the secret web
then chances are that it is indeed a fish (or a very close approximation of one.)

Especially if the fish is passed on as an eagle bird but it doesn't have wings.

Um, to clarify that weird analogy: It is far easier to do a beam that looks like the one here in After Effects than it is to capture one with a video camera - even if there indeed was a flying saucer in front of you shooting a goverment building...

Originally posted by trilateral_insignia
Does flagging a thread make it good or bad ?

If its good, then those 22 people who flagged this should come forward and accept the facts that they were WRONG!!

If the flags mean that the thread should be checked by a mod for validation,etc. Then You guys step forward and then keep on stepping on out the door :p
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Well, at first it was good, but alas after a break and a rethink, oops they are oo shy to show up anymore, who wants to admit wrong?

as always we do all wrongs. But the problem is having to easy life too FAT sitting in front of computer and reading what we want to read, too easy to search google and yahoo and of course youtube a.k.a google looking for UFO we want to see, and alas everything becomes UFO at first hand.
And we all start wasting time, and try to forget $140 per barrel oil prices, and when we find out too hard to pay in the gas station tomorrow, we start to blame on the Chinese.

Looked Real to me!... then again like it's been said before , I'm one of maybe 3 of us on here that isn't employed by ILM. To my untrained eye If it's a fake It's a really good one. I love how I read this right after it was initially posted and no one knew what it was... I come back to check on the story...Chiiru & blackholebrain do a bit of work for us (which I appreciate ) and it begins.... "oh It's Fake!!!"... "It's So Obvious!!!" Since I've never actually SEEN a UFO blast an FBI building with a Plasma Beam/ EMP whatchamacallit I had nothing to compare it to , and since I'm no CGI guru I usually try to leave speculation to the experts. My two cents is people shouldn't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon (whichever side you're on) without actually doing research themselves and coming to their OWN logical conclusion on what the truth is. don't believe things because people tell you what to believe.

If you guys want to find out if the video is real or fake, just look at my last post...it shows the exact same (CGI?) effect in the same two youtube videos. A little attention to detail goes a long way people.

Geno's pulsing light beam:



FBI building pulsing light beam (pre-lightning strike):



[edit on 18-6-2008 by NightVision]

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
My two cents is people shouldn't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon (whichever side you're on) without actually doing research themselves and coming to their OWN logical conclusion on what the truth is. don't believe things because people tell you what to believe.

And it seems you too quick to jump to the wagon. but you missed the train here.

Don't believe just because you found it on youtube. And don't forget, in HERE peopel tell you to believe! and I don't just believe them so quick.

I've no quams in admiting that I flagged it. Ok,it's been debunked,but it was good while it lasted. So what ,I was wrong,ain't the end of the world




*checks out the window,just incase*

reply to post by Acidtastic
I agree, there is a war out there for our minds after all. Its really tragic, the path that those who don't want people to be free and know, take.

Hopefully there will be some serious evidence to cast away the disinformation agents

Staying out of the CGI argument for the moment - and yes, the probability it's fake is approaching 100%, but I'm curious about something:

Why is it that everyone keeps referring to the lightning bolt as "an attack!" or a "strike" on the FBI building? Even if the hoaxer was attempting to weave a little mischief, including a barely plausible background story (theater manager, parking lot vandals, FBI bldng., etc.) how is that the vast majority of posters here interpret the lightning effect (whether real or part of a hoax) as an "attack"?

Where is there the slightest hint of hostile intent here?

Many long-term ATS readers are familiar with the many types of UFO craft and their peculiar idiosyncrasies. One of which is the notion that some UFO's have been reported to fly over power lines and electric generating and substation facilities, seemingly to draw power or extract electrical current from the facility.

Just a thought-experiment here (being open-minded and all; wanting to examine - and perhaps discard - every possibility), but what if the UFO is not 'attacking' the FBI building at all? What if it is conducting some sort of energy transfer, ion exchange, or who-knows-what-else?

The 2-3 small globular light features rising up to the craft in the early segment of the video may have a correlation with the electrical discharge that follows a few moments later. I'm merely postulating that there is no way (at least from my limited perspective) to determine if the discharge is going down to the ground (or building) from the craft, heading upward to the craft, or, as someone suggested, started in the middle and moved through to its extremities.

In any case, even if this were some not-so-elaborate CGI hoax, the answers to these questions may give us a clue to the mindset of the creator. Is there a message in there? Whether we are believers, debunkers, disinformation agents, perpetrators or merely observers, I see no harm in trying to gain a fuller understanding of the individual components and nuances of all facets of the case - even if it is just to comprehend "the Why?" of this video coming before us.

Thank you, once again, my fellow ATS sharp-eyed observers and analyzers! CGI (likely) or not, you've given us all another pathway to examine this fascinating subject. If nothing else, it keeps us talking about it.

And who knows - if we are able to successfully identify and understand videos that are NOT of a UFO, then one day we may also, finally, collectively, rejoice in the identification and understanding of a real one.

For this reason alone, the task of doing so are profoundly worth it.

Thanks again for posting, OP123 - and let's all just keep looking up!

Nothing gets past ATS, well done on spotting this Hoax and putting together the fake puzzle rather quick...

I feel its a fake. Why would the craft come in from the right and then when it leave it dissapears to thin air. Not too mention the way it was flying as if someone was dragging it across with their mouse. The beam surrounding glow looks fake, as its straight. Also why do ufo's always have to be evil like, come on only humans think the unknown is always evil.

I believe it's a fake. The story even sounds fake.

It's fake because the little blinking light on left is also off and this light is not in same building

definatley CGI, the way it flies in, the lightning effect, the way it fades out, tweened animation

Originally posted by Chiiru
Judging how the lights went out afterwards, maybe it was a localised EMP.

It cannot be a ‘localised’ EMP as its frequency spectrum is invisible to the naked eye. This looks like a Large Peak Current Cloud-to-Ground (LPCCG) lightning flash that occurs mostly in summer months. Large peak current positive CGs (LPC+CGs) are concentrated in the High Plains and upper Midwest, the region where a large majority of optical sprite observations have been made.


A CG lightning bolt
Courtesy: Sky Chaser

Compare the above image with your video grab:



The only thing that seems to be intriguing is that bright point of light which moves up to a stationary position after which it ‘discharges’ what looks like a lightning bolt. That part could have been hoaxed.

But the simplest explanation would be that it’s an LPCCG lightning bolt which has been cleverly used in conjunction with a CG 'UFO' to make it look like a UFO using some esoteric weapon on a ground based target!

Cheers!

All CGI aside.

What are the chances this guy propped ONE camera in his car to supposedly catch car thieves. Although the camera is only capturing mostly empty parking lot space.

What are the chances I ask you that a UFO(and it's powering up, then subsuquent strike) would just so happen to occur dead center in the frame of this guys camera.

Really.....

Do you know what the odds of this are? Astronomical. He'd have a billion times better chance to catch two deers screwing on his carsfront hood than this.

It's obvious he had fore-knowledge, and set the camera up for this shot, not for car thieves; plus he doesn't claim to be in contact with said ship, so there's no reason for him to have foreknowledge of this event, other than he set it up.

So, I'm calling BS on this fact alone.

The fact that it can be dismantled every which way from sunday by people who know CGI, to me is just icing on the cake.

[edit on 19-6-2008 by Nola213]

I hate youtube videos. The quality is always so poor it's difficult to make out any details.

reply to post by 123space
wh do you put a hoax on the web

GUYS! This is a camera tracking job done with possibly boujou or match mover or pfTrack (used in Clover Filed). I use these softwares everyday at work in combination with 3d packages to creat film fx. Please don't be fooled by such a silly video. How did he know this thing was gonna show up in time to set up a tri pod to keep the camera steady like that? The poor quality can be faked and tweaked in programs like Combustion or After Effects or Sony Vegas that can add film grain and such. Don't be fooled please, I believe there are secrets being kept from us all and I've even considered making a fake video like this because I know I could fool the pants off of people with my skill set, but it' completely unfair to people and wrong to put videos like this up on the web and say they are real. This isn't even good quality in my opinion, ameture. This movie should be removed from the site to keep people from laughing.

I flagged it too as to me it looked real, what a shame!! Im no cgi expert either but wish i was.

If you were wondering how easy it is to perform this type of CGI:



Then add about 20 years of age and some video editing experience.

Fake!