Airlines may be forced to fit antiterror cameras in seats

Airlines may be forced to fit antiterror cameras in seats

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AIRLINES could install “spy in the cabin” systems on their aircraft in a £29m programme developed by the European Union to prevent terrorist attacks.

The EU is keen to pursue a project for in-flight monitoring of passengers with tiny cameras and microphones in aircraft cabins. Computers would constantly analyse facial expressions and conversations for suspicious behaviour, triggering alarms if certain traits were identified.

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I don't like this idea, it simply goes too far in what is currently a fairly minor threat. The idea of my every move and conversation being monitored in an aeroplane repels me and is a gross violation of my privacy.

There is also the chance this could be the thin end of the wedge. If this system works well on aeroplanes then what's next? Buses? Trains? Any public place? Your own home?

The erosion of our civil liberties in the name of security has gone far enough, if this happens I will not be flying.

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Why dont they just give everyone a shot and knock them out for the entire duration of the flight?

What about cameras inserted into the rectum for the Security teams to detect any movement? (Pun intended)

Honestly!

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Either way the proponents win, because what they want is to limit your movements to where you can be watched, so you either stay local, under permanent phone tap, webcam feed, digital tv monitoring and gps positioning or you fly under surveillance. The goal is clearly a complete blanket of espionage which covers the whole population 24/7 and preempts whatever the search and destroy criteria is.

It's creepy, but the plus side is it also works against them if people are smart enough to keep democratic access to the surveillance monitoring stations. This sort of security blanket has the potential to also catch out the elitists and their movements, as the internet is doing already with things like bilderberg. So this business of a security state could have a plus side, ironically.

Remember, the key is to survey the surveyers, as we already live in the information age and information is for everyone.

It´s very nice to have security. I think we should just jail everyone, this way there would be no terrorism. Terrorism is very horrible, i know it´s more likely that you will die in airplane crash or get struct by metor than die in terrorism attack.

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This sort of security blanket has the potential to also catch out the elitists and their movements, as the internet is doing already with things like bilderberg. So this business of a security state could have a plus side, ironically.

The only elitists that will get caught up in this are the hypocrites like Eliot Spitzer who went after his own kind. The rest of them will exist in a rolling blackout of surveillance, the same way they are shielded from the MSM when they don't want to be seen.

The EU seem to be very keen to monitor us here, there and everywhere if this isn't the beginnings of a police state I dont know what is.

I can imagine in a few years time we will all be living in a Truman Show style world...how sad.

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I agree, Fred, it's a bit worrying at times especially when you factor in the undemocratic nature of certain EU institutions, the lack of transparency in EU politics and the gradual diminishing of the power of the national governments. It doesn't point in a direction I would like to go.

Mmmmmm... One word - Wrigleys!

Minty fresh breath and covers up annoying pinhole cams and microphones when it loses it's flavour

forced. interesting choice of words. forced by whom? and who gets the honor of funding this? why don't they just skip right to the part where people get to pay for the pleasure of flying stripped naked, tied down, and drugged? bill maher has the right idea...no-fault airlines. let me sign a waiver and get to straight to where i'm going with no fuss, no muss.

This sounds like a good opportunity. I can flash the camera and give big brother a good look at my sack!!!!!.

They need to lick my n#t$ anyway. Do they plan on monitoring these cameras in-flight? Will it be the crew? I wouldn't trust the drunk pilots or the stewards.

Good luck to the NWO on making this one work.

Me neither, and I dare say there are countless other people who dont like the way this is going either, they are tarring everyone with the same brush and taking away our right to privacy to "protect us", I dont buy into that crap for one second.

I just did a quick google and found this site.

www.anotherperspective.org...

It says our chances of dying in a terrorist-caused plane disaster assuming one such incident a month and you fly once a month is 1 in 55,000,000. pretty low odds so I dont think these security measures are to protect us from terrorists.

EDIT: Above post is in reply to Chris McGee (Reply to button isn't working )

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They should call this what it is:

facecrime

"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself -- anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called." Source

And if I get an itch in my nethers will a team of storm troopers blow out to taser me? Oh, sorry sir, use some powder next time!
1984 was 24 years too early. Funny how so many things in sci fi comes true. Star Trek, communicators are todays cell phones. Double speak.

Shame.

Keep gas prices to the point where you cannot afford to travel.

Make flying so much of an intrusion that you dont want to travel, further.

Keep us isolated as possible.

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Then, much like sub hunting, you go after the quiet bit of the ocean. Beyond trying to gain control democratically of the elitist security systems, which we pay for, with funny money but we still pay, we also have the rest of the information technology, like mobile phones, instant messaging, digital cameras, internet distribution, p2p, email, mobile phones, blogs, and probably a few other tools I don't recall atm.

My point is pandora is out of the box, and technology is neutral. The same tools that enslave us set us free. Instead of a violent knee jerk reaction we have to sit back, think a bit and ask "I see what you did there, now, how can I turn this around and make it work for me?"

Just have a working knowledge of what laws apply so you're in the right and wing it from there, the information age won't just be rewound back to the 80's, we have to work with what we have.

And let me state a firm belief I have: an organised digitally literate population is a FAR more effective intelligence machine than either the CIA, Mossad or the FBI, any country with a large emigrant population is as well connected as any of the above these days, and so the people of earth can be too. I mean, we can now actually translate text online, so a global democratic surveillence network is just a bit of social networking away.

Nothing would screw up the illuminati, if they exist, more.

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That's a good thought but the fact is we're not in control of the technology. Case in point is the deep packet inspection equipment ISPs are fitting. We (the people) don't want our traffic to be snooped but we have almost literally no choice in the matter. We can use the tools we have available but control of those tools is out of our hands.

That's where law and democratic participation kicks in. I don't believe anyone is yet in full control of the internet or even the global phone network. Global surveillence yes, but full control no, and not for a while, that will take years of consolidation, buy out of independants and the distribution of personnel that will do what elitists would want. It takes a massive amount of manpower to actually follow up on surveillence, especially if everyone alive is basically on the watch list. I see it all up for grabs and humanity has a sizeable window to counter tecnofascism with tecnodemocracy. There is a small potential of control of the web, but it is not easy and people will counter it with relative ease. Anything digital is totally plastic and changeable, the only real counter is a binary on/off switch at the ISP level, and they have legal obligations to their customers too. If it comes to a point where law dosen't protect citizens and contracts are systematically ignored then people will probably be in physical revolt anyway and all this is academic.

One thing won't change though, we will inevitably live in a digital surveillence society, that cat is out of the bag, and unless we bomb each other into the stone age that reality probably will not change in my lifetime at least. So, instead of running from it, the trick is living with it.

And there's millions of things that can be done if people get creative. Here's just one idea off the top of my head: how about a peer to peer youtube fac simile, where people host and share their favorite list? No central servers, no control, add a hint of encryption and there you go. Make it open source and freely distributed and there you have a plan b if youtube gets too restrictive to be usefull.

You would think that people would be shocked by this, wouldn't you? However, this is the way that that "modern" governments of the west operate. It is not done for our own good, but for theirs. The more Data they have, the better they can sell it on and discover people ways, once this is done, BANG, big money in the sale of the data. Moreover, it is another way for them to tighten the grip on whatever little freedom we still have left.

God, this world sucks right now, the people had better rise before the governments really # us all over.

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