Ever Wonder Why Terrorist Attacks Have Not Been Implemented On U.S. Soil Since 9/11???

Originally posted by AGENT 007
I can buy that because it does not add up at all the twin towers were the first steel builidings in history to fall down from a FIRE???????????

Pffft, like it was a regular fire....there are a couple of things you forgot to mention which were the reason for the wtc to crumble, but I guess you like some other people prefer the "lets bash the government...." argument.

Sure they are here but they have been in country to long along with a million other illeagles that cross the border every year. They are now couch potatos that watch Fox, Wrestling and CNN and have been dumbed down like everyone else. I had to laugh when they said that it cost millions for the 911 terrorist to get set up in the US. Think about it they could have probably gotten government assistance for everything.

Originally posted by factfinder38
...that watch Fox, Wrestling and CNN and have been dumbed down like everyone else.

Generalize much, there "factfinder?"
A sweeping statement like that's gonna make the rest of your comment hard to take seriously.

-B.

How many attackswere there on american soil in the 3 years before 9/11... how many attacks have there been in the 3 years since... none and none... so why do you think the amount is the same... coz nothing is different. its not the NWO its not G.W's war on terror, its the same reason there were none before 9/11

It really not hard to create havoc, anger and terror. Dump a barrel of any white powder over in a city during rush hour when its windy or over a highway. Duct tape a soda can to a cell phone. Pop baloons rapidly in a busy food court. Give offical sounding terror announcements over the PA in a mall. Get some old air raid sirens from a surplus shop! Play the "brown note" in traffic.

But it wouldn't be too hard for terrorists to pull of something huge, unless there is such a group of pys-ops and MIB.

Not that I would do any of the things above but popping baloons is fun.

This is a list of attacks Al Qaeda has claimed, after 9/11, and posted on Global Islamic Media.


The following list itemizes the attacks that they are claiming:

Downing of the American Airlines plane over the Queens district of New York (City) on the 26th day of Shaban in the (Islamic) year 1422, equivalent to November 12th, 2001, killing 265 passengers as well as residents of that district.
Bali nightclub attack in Indonesia that killed more than 200.
Attack on Djerba, Tunisia Jewish temple, killing 20 German Jews.
Attack at Faylakah in Kuwait.
Attack on the French tanker Limburgh in Yemen.
Attacks on Mombasa in Kenya against Jewish tourists, who were attacked in the their hotel, and the unsuccessful attack on the El Al airline with two missiles.
Attack on the Marriott Hotel in the Indonesian capital
Attacks in eastern of Riyadh, on residential districts where Americans and other westerners live
Electrical power blockouts in the northern portions of America and the southern areas of Canada
Electrical power blackouts in Great Britain.
Attacks in Istanbul against the Jewish synagogues.
Attachs in Istanbul battles against the British bank and the British consulate, in which the British consul was killed.
Battle of Badr Riyadh in the residential complex
Attack on the United Nations building in Baghdad in which Sirgo Des Milo, Kofi Annan's envoy, was killed
Attacks in Nasserya against the Italian forces
Attacks in Casablanca
Attempted assassination of a dangerous ally of America, Pervez Musharraf
Attacks in Madrid against three trains, killing 200 and injuring more than 1500 injured.

Excerpted from.
www.homelandsecurityus.com...

Oh also, there are many other terrorist cells and these are some of the other...coincidences of refinery fires in 2004.

Oil Refinery Fires - 2004

May 25
Pipeline Fire - Venezuela
May 24
Pipeline Fire - Olympic, WA
May 14
Murphy Oil Refinery - Chalmette, LA
April 9
Giant Industries Refinery - Gallup, NM
April 1
Exxon Mobil Chemical Plant - Baytown TX
March 30
Texas City Refinery, BP - Texas City, TX
March 27
Fire Flint Hills Resources - Rosemount, MN
March 23
Tulsa Refinery, Sunoco - Tulsa, OK
March 9
Marathon Ashland Petroleum - Garyville, LA
February 20
Tesoro Refinery - Martinez, CA
February 1
ConocoPhillips Wood River Refinery - Roxana, IL

Excerpted from.
www.stevequayle.com...

Were they really accidents? I should say I have been having the feeling these were more than just accidents. Too many occurring in short intervals between each other to be coincidental imo.


Oh also this is a list of power outages, note above that Al Qaeda has claimed responsability for power outages. (althou in this is possible they are bluffing, but its also possible its ture, who knows. The fact is that they are claiming responsability.)

Worldwide Power Outages

Louisiana Power Plant � May 12
Seattle � May 12
Ohio � May 12
Northumberland CountyOhio � May 12
Niagara Falls, NY � May 11-12
Albany, Georgia � May 10
Southern Philippines � May 10
North Carolina � May 9
Davis and Weber counties, Georgia � May 2
Utah � April 30
Los Angeles International Airport � April 21
Los Angeles International Airport � April 20
Los Angeles International Airport � April 12
Las Vegas Strip Hotel � April 11
New York subway � March 1
Central London � February 16
Power Outage Archives

www.stevequayle.com...


[Edited on 31-5-2004 by Muaddib]

BTW, no terrorist attacks before 9/11? You are kidding me right? Didn't you know they attacked the WTC in 93?

Also there has been a rumor that in the OKC bombing there was a third terrorist who had ties to the Middle East and Islamic terrorism. I believe Clinton didn't want this information to come out after the attack because as he showed in other attacks like the U.S.S Cole, he didn't want to deal with terrorism....wimp.

"Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not the lone conspirators in the Oklahoma City bombing but were part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq, according to a new release by WND Books. "

Excerpted from.
www.worldnetdaily.com...


[Edited on 31-5-2004 by Muaddib]

Ok Muadib firstly how many of them were on US-soil... as in the USA? i didnt count myself so you tell me. Now compare your whole list to the Terror attacks prior to 9/11 (all over the world) and you'll see there is quite a similar comparison. Also keep in mind terror attacks are well documented now and alot of things are put down to terrorism. Previous to 9/11 the gunmen who raided the Oil company in Saudi and killed the western hostages wouldnth ave been dubbed 'terrorists' but 'armed bandits' or 'militants'. Basically anything that targets westerners, causes an explosion, or fires a shot in a way the USA doesnt like, is a terrorist. Before 9/11 that wasnt the case...

Muadib you post a list of refinery fires without any reference to the amounts before hand once again. Your list is useless when used in a comparison coz it doesnt do any comparing and doesnt take all factors into account (as above more attention given to terrorists etc etc.). Also i lived in Brunei Darusallam for 7 years of my short life, and in those seven years i can recall at least 3 refinery fires (brunei is a small oil nation in sth east asia), and i lived there from the age of 2 to the age of 9, so i'm sure i've missed some. My point is refinery fires arent uncommon, especially in poorer countries (brunei it self is actually quite rich). So post some comparisons to make your point, not just a list of dates and events which could or could not be terrorist related.

[Edited on 31-5-2004 by specialasianX]

Specialasian, thats because Clinton was the president when those things happened and he was/is a wimp.

Also, you first said there were no attacks, now you are changing your story because as you can see you were wrong. Your statements make me believe that you have not an ounce of information to make such statements, but you just want to keep trying to bash the present administration and claiming they are responsible even thou you are obviously misinformed.

There were at least 11 successful attacks in US soil after 9/11 that we know of, and I am not counting the power outages.

Also remember we have grounded many flights and even detained people trying to commit, and some who commited terrorism in the US.

1. US soil is in US not us interests.
2. I said no attacks in the three years prior, and the three years after (i know its been 2.5 after but i'll give you half a years credit)
3. I did not change my story.

I'm not saying clinton was strong or weak. My point is there is no evidence what so-ever that the war or terror has stopped terrorism in any way what so ever. In fact if anything it has increased attacks world-wide (thats likely to be due to media scrutiny and more awareness than actual amounts of attacks). and please read my edited post from my previous to (i edited as you were responding.


Now if you'll excuse me (not that i care if you wont) my work days is now over i must now get on with my life untill tomorrow.

Originally posted by specialasianX
1. US soil is in US not us interests.
2. I said no attacks in the three years prior, and the three years after (i know its been 2.5 after but i'll give you half a years credit)
3. I did not change my story.

I'm not saying clinton was strong or weak. My point is there is no evidence what so-ever that the war or terror has stopped terrorism in any way what so ever. In fact if anything it has increased attacks world-wide (thats likely to be due to media scrutiny and more awareness than actual amounts of attacks). and please read my edited post from my previous to (i edited as you were responding.


Now if you'll excuse me (not that i care if you wont) my work days is now over i must now get on with my life untill tomorrow.

Your theory of no attacks within three years is like saying show me you can bake a cake in 10 seconds.. Al-Queda attacks the US ON US SOIL with large scale attacks no faster then every 3 - 4 years. This has been going on for a decade. Smaller attacks HAVE occured within the 2 1/2 years of post 9/11. Just after 9/11 Yale university had a bomb in the mailroom which was Al-Queda yet was never released to the public. Yale university was targeted because that's where Bush went to university. The airliner crash in Queens which occured right after 9/11 was also terrorism. Wait another 1 - 1 1/2 years and you WILL see another Al-Queda attack of the magnitude of 9/11.. From your logic it is better to allow a sleeping giant to continue to grow by turning your back then to go after them while you can. IF we continued to shy away from the war on terror and allow Al-Queda to recruit and plan more ways of attacking they may have a better chance at doing more damage. I would rather go after them now then wait for them to get WMD's unless they already have achieved this. If they have WMD's now Im glad we are in the fight before they use them. We ignored North Korea and turned our backs allowing them to build nukes and look how much worse of a situation we are in now then if we had confronted the problem previously..

[Edited on 31-5-2004 by Raphael]

I feel there have been no attacks for a few key reasons.

1) proximity......The USA still isnt easy to get into for most of those with a bent against the country.....unless you are willing and able to take drastic, hiking in the wilderness steps to get in here, going thru conventional means will get you flagged at the least in the post 9-11 security world.

2) Intelligence works.....it is also improving....it would seem that increased vigor, $$$ , info sharing under the patriot act, and time have helped to put the fire under groups using terror....made it harder to just say rent a big truck...without greatly increased risk of tipping someone off.

3) a time and place of our choosing.
Now is the time, and Iraq is the place. The USA put its millitary out there as a big target to take some of the heat off the civillians. Now every fundamentalist west hater can march over to iraq and get a piece of the USA. This is hopefully drawing a bunch of them out and exposing them to coalition forces and intelligence...keeping them busy on our terms so to speak.

Im glad that there has not been another attack, but still think we need to be on alert. The terrorists wont rest until they succeed again.

terrorism as a solution to terrorism.
the fundmental doctrine of terrorism is that by inspiring terror one can reduce confidence in trusted institutions and beliefs thereby affecting political and or sociological change. What I dont understand is why the U.S. has not adopted this same doctrine as a way of destroying the islamic terrorists. Al queda, Hamas, and other terrorist organizations have typically recruited" soldiers" who being dissaffected with life, society, family, or whatever are vulnerable to mental condioning similar to that used by cult leaders to control thier flock. In this respect OBL is not much different than David koresh or the heavens gate cult. Once the idea that suicide in the service of god, alah, jehova, or bugs bunny is a one way ticket to heaven is accepted, these "soldiers" are more than willing to throw thier lves away. Why cant the U.S. (through intermediaries f course) use the same doctrine? Consider the following example, A U.S. preacher with a "fire and brimstone" style begins by preaching in the poorest neiborhoods of the rural south about the martys of christianinty. he then moves on to sermons about the wars of the ancient isrealites and how god protected and succored his chosen people. Interspersed with these sermons are messages about how The U.S. is now "gods land" and americans are "gods people". A few sermons on issac and abraham and how the soldiers of isreal having so much faith in jesus that they were willing to die ( and kill) for him gave them a one way pass through the pearly gates and boom all of a sudden you have a ready made base of suicide bombers. The next step of course would be to set up a training camp in the american S.W. to acclimate them to the climate under the supervision of the C.I.A. and special forces and we have a highly motivated well trained and fearless force. Then these men are given jobs in the Oil industry, diplomatic corps, military etc and they wait. The next time there is an attack on U.S. interests The intelligence services determine the identity and home town of each of the attackers and the members of this force raze it to the ground. Maybe through use of a dirty bomb maybe a fire maybe just the good old fashioned method of 10-20 walking through the town with smgs and shooting every man woman and child in side. The point being that anyone who takes part in a terrouist attack on the U.S. would also be responsible for the death of ALL of thier friends,family, neighbors, nieghbors friends etc. The response would be of an exponiential nature I.E. 2 afghanis and 2 saudis kill 10 americans and 200 saudis and 200 afghanis are killed all from those attackers hometown. (preferably close friends and family members) They pull another 911 we nuke 5 villages/cities. Eventually the middle east would either be devoid of people or those who survive would turn in anyone with ANY terroist sympathies for fear of U.S. reprisal.
Before you dismiss this idea out of hand or call it barbaric consider this, 2000 years ago a roman citizen could walk the length and breadth of the empire with no fear of robbery or harrasment. If he was set upon by bandits or rebels all he had to do was utter the words "I am a roman citizen" And they would pick another target So great was the retribution of the roman empire that none would tempt its wrath. as a result the empire lasted about 2 millenia.
Perhaps its time we started fighting fire with fire.

[Edited on 3-6-2004 by mwm1331]

hello...i agree with you totally....

one day before the attack...on 9/10, all the local hospitals went to full divert...turn away all but life threatening injuries. hmmm....

Originally posted by boaznj
one day before the attack...on 9/10, all the local hospitals went to full divert...turn away all but life threatening injuries. hmmm....

You'd be advised to provide proof of such a sweeping and amazing statement.......

Originally posted by Banshee
You'd be advised to provide proof of such a sweeping and amazing statement.......

Yeah, if you are going to say some BS like that, please at least cover your own ass and provide some web site so I can't call you a liar.

mwm1331 - you have a valid point. The problem is that the UN would give us a bunch of crap. Personally, I say screw the UN, but alas even the most conservative politicians wouldn't do this.

I just want to ask , what is the reason that Al-Qaida celles targeted USA ?!

The new spanish government realized that the Iraq occupation was the problem behind madrid train attack and they withdraw from Iraq , and I think they are now more comfortable than before .

As we all know , the main reason behind the terrorism in the USA is the huge support that USA offers to Israel in many fields .... military , fundation , politically . and Israel offers NOTHING to the United states but throwing a lot of woods in the terrorism fire by its savagery acts in Gaza and the west bank !! ( I just saw a picture of 1 year old girl get shoted by israeli soldier !! )

the israelis propaganda in the USA prevents most of the American citizens of seeing the truth reason behind these attacks , I know there is no any justification for such an acts , but why you must go through tragedy and you can solve the problem in very simple way ?!!

Just take your hand of Israel

israelis dont really need the USA to defend them !! they have more than 300 nuclear bomb capable of reaching all of its enemys cities!! , thay have more than 4,000 advansed tanks , powerfull air force and advanced air defense !! and thay are capable of manufacturing there own weapons!!




second step is withdrawal from Iraq as soon as possible

After then i think the ameircan people will not have any fears of terrorism , as I hope they live in peace .





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[edit on 16-6-2004 by Scorpion]

Originally posted by Scorpion

The new spanish government realized that the Iraq occupation was the problem behind madrid train attack and they withdraw from Iraq , and I think they are now more comfortable than before .

I provided a link about a week ago or so in which the new president in Spain, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has stated that Al Qaeda has tried several times to make other terrorist attacks against Spain even after the terrorists said they will stop when the Spanish troops left Iraq.

You cannot believe or give in to terrorists, much less Islamic radicals.

Ya , but don't forget that some countries claimed that spain had yield to the terrorist demands , and I dont think they want to appear that way , so they claime that they got a lot of terrorist threats after they withdrwal from Iraq .

[edit on 16-6-2004 by Scorpion]