Revelation and the 20th century

I have posted this numerous times before, but still people aren't aware of the fact that most of the Book of Revelation has already been fulfilled, and most of that again has been fulfilled just the last couple of decades. At the turn between the 19th and the 20th centuries something must have happened. Suddenly all kinds of new technology starts raining down on us. From electricity to cars and aeroplanes, giant steem ships capable of crossing the Atlantic in notime, radio, movies and television. The clearest signs a world is coming to an end is when technology starts running out of hand. For it always ends up with a fight around who has the worst weapons, and who's got the most of them. The end of this world has been nailed for just about two millennia. We have been shown exactly how it's gonna be, and it has shown itself to be extremely accurate and precise despite the fact that him who wrote these things didn't know anything about these inventions we all take for granted these days. But he sure describes them well. I will now do a simple exercise. I will analyse the chapters 8 through 11 and come with a step by step description of what I see when I read these lines.

Chapter 8
Seven angels holding seven trumpets line up before the altar in Heaven and the Spirit is released uppon the Earth. Knowledge of engines and electricity, explosives and devastating new isnventions brings the world into a new age. The seven angels make themselves ready:

1st Trumpet: World War 1
Hail and fire mixed with blood fall from the sky. 1/3rd of the Earth is torched, a third of the trees like ways and all the green grass.

WW1 was the first war where bomber planes were used. Also, extensive use of burnt Earth tactics rendered great parts of the Earth in ashes. Mustard gas could be likened with having fire in ones blood.

2nd Trumpet: World War 2
A great and burning mountain is cast in the sea. 1/3rd of the sea turns to blood and a third of the life in the sea died. 1/3rd of all the ships were destroyed.

This is the end of WW2. The bomb over Horoshima killed one third of the city's population and destroyed 1/3rd of the city. Also from all ships, both military and commercial, 1/3rd of them sunk during the war. It was from Red Rock the US harvested their Uranium for the Hiroshima bomb. Not far from there, is a place called Big Mountain.

3rd Trumpet: Chernobyl Meltdown
A star called Wormwood falls down on the Earth. A third of the water is contaminated, and people dies and gets sick from contaminated water.

Chernobyl is in Ukrainia. And in Ukrainian Chernobyl or rather Chornobyl means Wormwood. The downfall spreads through the air and the wind and the rain, and roughly 1/3rd of the globe geographically is effected with more or less contaminated downfall.

4th Trumpet: The Internet Revolution
A third of the Sun, the Moon and the stars is darkened. Both the Day and the Night lose 1/3rd of it's light.

The Sun and the Moon and the stars has to do with the leaders of the world, both spiritually and politically and the people they are governing. The internet comes with all it's filth do darken the spirits of the peoples. Suddenly wild porn, snuff violence, perverseness and theft, prostitution, pirating, hacking, the lights are dimmed.

The 5th Trumpet: Gulf War 1
A star has fallen down to the Earth carrying the key to the bottomless pit. Which he opens and thick smoke pours out and darkens the Sun and turns day into night. Through the darkness and the smoke comes great grasshoppers which are likened with scorpions. They were given power to torture everyone who hadn't got God's seal on their foreheads. The torture was like when a man gets stung by a scorpion. The grasshoppers were like armored horses with circles of gold uppon their heads, and they had faces like humans, hair like women and teeth like lions. On their chests were plates with iron. The sound of their wings was like when many horses run out in battle. They had tails like scorpions and it was in their tails they had the power. The war lasted five months. The king in this battle was called Abaddon in Hebrew or Apollyon in Greek. The Destroyer in English.

Or should we say Saddam in Arabic? Saddam means Destroyer. His mother gave him this name since she suffered much pain carrying him forth. The sworms of Apache helicopters coming through the thick smoke from the lit oilwells must have been an awesome sight for John when God's Angel showed it to him, and his description fits pretty well if I may say it myself. The war lasted roughly five months until Iraq finally capitulated. The American forces rather kept prisoners than killing their enemies. The prisoners were humbled in such a way it can be likened with how a small creep like a scorpion could make a tall and strong man fall and become like a frightened child. The superior technology of the US allowed them to take out electricity and water, supplies and weapons depots etc. very precisely and with little manforce. One guy with a laser pointer and a couple of bombers, and a great geographical area is darkened and without water supply. Deployed uranium also has it's side effects which can be recognised in this chapter.

6th Trumpet: NOW
This is where it all takes off into unknown proportions. There is a rather slow and intricate foreplay to this disaster. Four angels who have been chained by the river Euphrates is loosened and they have waited for this very moment a very long time, to kill 1/3rd of the world's population. The number of soldiers in their three armies was 200 million. Their armors were one part dark blue, one part fiery red and one last group with sulphur yellow armors. Their horses had heads like lions and they spit fire, smoke and brimstone. Their tails are also like serpent and these are lethal too. Nearly noone quits keeping icons and using medicine and harmful magic like radio and TV. They are just as adulterous and murderous as they wre before all this started to happen.

Then comes an Angel with a little book who swears the time is out, and he hands the prophet a book containing God's curses uppon the world. Then the Temple is measured. The outer courtyard is given to the gentiles. There seems to be two periods of 3.5 years here. During the first period two prophets dressed in sackcloth will prophecy and make great signs with water, mking the rain stop on their command, turning the sea and rivers into blood. If anyone tries to hurt them, fire goes out of their mouths devouring their enemies showing them how they will die. After three and a half years the beast who comes up from the bottomless pit kills them after having accused them for sins connected to Egypt and Sodom. But they wake up after 3.5 days and enter Heaven right in front of their enemies, and a great earthquake kills 7000 peole and one tenth of the city. The remnants recognise them as the two endtime witnesses and repent from their sins.

As we see from the sixth trumpet, the beasts have already come by then. The icon of the beast has been demonstrated again and again, and may find it's final fulfillment in the movie by Mel Gibson "the Passion of the Christ". The Mars mission is also related, and so is the activity in Iraq. I have reasons to believe that when we will see Euphrates dry out, that should be the sign that should make people use all their salery on bandages and tin food

It can be hard to understand exactly what one should make out of this last portion, but it looks as if it will be the worst war ever fought on this planet. I'm not looking forward to it.

7th Trumpet: The Ark of the Covenant and the fall of the Serpent.
The Ark is brought forth in Heaven. God and his Lamb has won back the Earth.

The result of the war is victory for God, and the Law is reestablished and reinforced.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Wow, what gross interpretations.

If you have posted it numerous times before, then maybe its time you stop posting the same thing.

but couldnt you at the same time pick a whole different crop of wars to choose from?

what about other random texts from books that arent "holy" like the bible?

one can take anything from any text, interpret it, and say it predicted the future.

could you put in the exact quotes along with which chapter and verses please? i think that would help a lot, especially for those not so well versed in the bible or without one handy.

OK THE TOP 4 OR 5 THREADS ON THE 'TODAYS POSTS" THING ARE ABOUT RELIGION...WHATS THE BIG DEAL HERE????????

i know by posting that i just put a religion thread at the top again, but honestly, come on!

Well... I can kind of see the comparisons you are making, but I don't quite agree. I was under the impression that the antichrist was supposed to be in power while the 7 Trumpet Judgements occured, I see no one world governmnet right now, nor a one world religion, nor a widely deceiving figurehead for either of them.

You make good points, but I don't really agree with them. I'm waiting for the antichrist to make himself known to the public, that hasn't happened yet. Also... During most of the period in which you're describing, isn't the world supposed to be divided into those who have the mark of the beast and those who have the seal of God? None of us are distinguished by these things yet, from what I can tell.

Besides... This is all supposed to happen after the Rapture. The Rapture hasn't occured yet, so these judgements can not be called forth until it does.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking what you believe, you can believe what you want. But I'm just saying I don't really think you're on the right track. It's a good idea, and what do I know, but I'm just not seeing it.

Originally posted by Faisca
I was under the impression that the antichrist was supposed to be in power while the 7 Trumpet Judgements occured, I see no one world governmnet right now, nor a one world religion, nor a widely deceiving figurehead for either of them.

You see no One World Government? How about the United Nations with their Security council and their General assembly. How about USA who has given herself the mandate of being some kind of World Police. The UN reestablished Israel as a physical nation. This is the work of the Antichrist in the end time. It was England and France who infact established it, as a tool to get the Arabs and the Jews on their side against the Ottoman Empire during World War 1. The British and the French promised Israel/Palestine to both Jews and Palestinians. They didn't care that this would naturally turn the Middle East into a ticking bomb. As long as Britain got their oil rights in Iraq, they didn't care much what plans the French had in the Holy Land. The national interrests in Israel by France is quite interresting. Remember that it was the French kings who received the C�sar title from the Pope and was promised complete control over the Holy Roman Empire, for eternity. And if you have seen my posts about the shroud of Turin, you will also see that Clovis I is infact the person on the Shroud of Turin, which has been used as the "original" for nearly every Jesus icon you can find. Clovis I and the Merovingean royal line (the French kings), is the Antichrist it seems. He fulfills most prophecies quite accurately.

You make good points, but I don't really agree with them. I'm waiting for the antichrist to make himself known to the public, that hasn't happened yet.

If you don't see these beasts, why do you then wait for them? Are you awaiting some sevenheaded bigcat with bear's feet? The heads are imperial rulers who have posed a threat to the Jewish nation. The establishment of Israel as a geographic nation by the UN is probably the worst that could happen to the Middle East. It was seeded in the exact same conspiracy which made Hitler Reichs Kanzler and later F�hrer. Have you even read the history of the world for the last 100 years? If you don't see the beasts and the satans there, you wouldn't recognise them if they knocked on your door, presenting themselves as mr. Beast and mr. Dragon. Sorry pal, but I'm not impressed.

Also... During most of the period in which you're describing, isn't the world supposed to be divided into those who have the mark of the beast and those who have the seal of God? None of us are distinguished by these things yet, from what I can tell.

Yes. This actually happened a long long time ago. The mark of the beast is still today, like it has always been, Babylonian astrology, Ba'al worship and a priesthood where the highest priest is the Vicar of the Son of God. It's the pope, whith his Sunday worship (Rome, C�sar, Babylon, Sun worship, Mithra, Ba'al, Sol Invictus, all based in Babylonian Ba'al astrological doctrines. The Vatican astrologers use the exact same charts as they did at the time of C�sar Nero when he used astrology to justify his actions against the congregations of Rome. All Roman deities are Romanised Ba'als) instead of Sabbath worship on the Saturday. The mark of the beast is also heathen Passover known as Easter. This is an ancient Venus feast and has nothing whatsoever to do with neither Jesjuah nor the Law of God which is the Mark of God as it is described throughout the Law as a mark every rightious man has on his hand and his forehead. But most Christians don't even know what great difference there is between Sunday worship and Sabbath worship.

Besides... This is all supposed to happen after the Rapture. The Rapture hasn't occured yet, so these judgements can not be called forth until it does.

The rapture isn't even mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Only three people are taken up to heaven according to the Prophecy. The Antichrist is infact not mentioned either. I think it is Peter who speaks of the Antichrist in one of his letters. That's all. The rapture is probably just a way to explain the spirit which has been layed uppon one out of a thousand, two out of ten thousand. The raptured mass is probably the 144000 Jews plus the great multitude of gentiles who have converted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking what you believe, you can believe what you want. But I'm just saying I don't really think you're on the right track. It's a good idea, and what do I know, but I'm just not seeing it.

Good idea? This is it. Take it or leave it. These prophecies have all been fulfilled, even in the right magnitude and at the correct time, in the right cronological order and everything. These events I have mentioned are THE most devastating and dangerous threats against Jesjuah and world peace.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Originally posted by Scat
but couldnt you at the same time pick a whole different crop of wars to choose from?

No. These are the only events you could call international emergencies. These have been the most dangerous attacks against the Children of God ever. And it has all happened within a period of 100 years.

what about other random texts from books that arent "holy" like the bible?

one can take anything from any text, interpret it, and say it predicted the future.

It is random when an ancient prophecy is fulfilled? That's called pattern, my friend and is the exact oposite from what you describe. Infact the key for translating prophecies like these are pretty well defined in books like the Torah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel and Hosea to mention a few. They use other words to discribe the events, but these 'other words' are infact thoroughly defined elsewhere in scripture. Him who has the keys of David can read prophecies such as these like a future book on history.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Now, Hamilton, there's no need to attack me personally which you have done. Do not assume I don't know the history of the world, because I do. I'm a major in political science, I know history, ok?

I'm not awaiting some seven headed true beast, I know the antichrist will not be an actual beast, he will be in human form. I know there have been "beasts" in our past, but do any of them fulfill the prophecies of being the antichrist? The UN could be considered a world government, but I don't see it as such. Also, where is the one world religion everyone is supposed to worship the antichrist under? I've yet to see that.

Listen, the more I think about it, the more I see that your claims make sense. They are valid ideas and claims, I'm not attacking your credibility as a person (which you did to me). You strike me as a very devout Christian (if you're not that will surprise me) but I am also. I've not done as much research into the subject as it seems you have, but that does not make my opinions any less valid.

You'll probably prove me wrong on this point too, but isnt the antichrist supposed to create peace in the Middle East? I haven't seen that happen yet. The uniting of Israel, yes, but no peace.

Don't take offense to what I'm saying, and I won't take offense to you unless you attack me personally again. I have respect for your ideas, they are very good and hold credibility, just not what I've been thinking.

Originally posted by Faisca
Now, Hamilton, there's no need to attack me personally which you have done. Do not assume I don't know the history of the world, because I do. I'm a major in political science, I know history, ok?

I'm not awaiting some seven headed true beast, I know the antichrist will not be an actual beast, he will be in human form. I know there have been "beasts" in our past, but do any of them fulfill the prophecies of being the antichrist? The UN could be considered a world government, but I don't see it as such. Also, where is the one world religion everyone is supposed to worship the antichrist under? I've yet to see that.

Have you ever heared about something which is called Roman Catholicism? That is the One World Religion of the Roman Empire under a dictator carrying the C�sarian titles and who rules the Roman Curia which is the House of the Roman Senate. These institutions are still very much alive, only the dictator added another title to his portfolio: Pope. Most other political titles held by the Pope is inherited from the Beast, which was, is and always will be, the Roman Empire. Period. And I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Please donot be offended, it's just how I talk. Cheer up. You would have become quite grumpy you too, if you knew something that noone believed.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Not saying I don't believe you. But trust me, I know the feeling of having no one believe something you do. My friends all call me a crazy conspiracy theorist. But anyway...

I wouldn't call Roman Catholicism a one world religion... Sure there are many people who are Roman Catholic, but it hasn't drawn people from other religions into it, yet anyway. There are still a multitude of religions out there. Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the antichrist supposed to deceieve all the other religions into believing what he says should be beleived? Deceive them into worshipping him (and not Jesus).

Originally posted by Hamilton
And I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Please donot be offended, it's just how I talk. Cheer up. You would have become quite grumpy you too, if you knew something that noone believed.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Yeah, ignore Hamilton's jabs... everyone else does!

If you've seen his other posts... man oh man!

And with the last sentence in the quote... becoming grumpy when no one will believe you... not really. I've finally connected all the world's religions and traced them to the common source, that coupled with my bend on arcane studies has given me a better outlook on religious matters, but I don't get pissed when people don't believe me.

Religion is a personal thing. Not one religion is right. Hell, just by taking the Example of the Roman Catholics, you also have to include its sub-families:

1. Gnostics
2. Egyptian Orthodoxy
3. Lutherians
4. Protestants
5. Christians
6. Mayans
7. Jewish
8. Islamic
9. Kabalist
10. And on and on...

Sure, each of these are based on the same lines, same books (at least, in case of Kabal and Jew, the Old Books)... but they all go about it differently.

People cannot be forced to learn. That only drives them away. And one man's truth is another man's hereasy.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses" - Atheism is the opiate of the intellectual classes!
www.realists.com...

We are not evolving primates, nor under the care of a personal God! These conflicting intellectual concepts are inherently flawed; neither will survive as a viable explanation for human existence because they do not describe the reality in which we live.
In the dark ages an ideological dispute split academia. Theologians affirmed the mainline religions, while the atheists spawned: Communism, Marxism, Socialism and Fascism. These contentious ideologies caused all of the holy wars and violent atheistic revolutions of history, and now the destruction of the World Trade Center and subsequent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

These conflicts torture human discourse at every level, they even divide parents, who accept theology's position, from their children who are indoctrinated with atheism in school.

Academia's failure to discover a definitive explanation for human existence has left us divided and confused, causing us to mistrust the motives of our fellow humans who hold opposing views. We must begin to think of what will replace the revered (yet inherently flawed) concepts of both atheism and theology, which are the root cause of our fears.

Originally posted by Faisca
I wouldn't call Roman Catholicism a one world religion... Sure there are many people who are Roman Catholic, but it hasn't drawn people from other religions into it, yet anyway.

And you said you had a couple of diplomas in history? Catholicism must be the widest and most effectively spread religion around. But it is merely one version out of many of the wisdom and mystics surrounding the Jewish Messiah Jesjuah. They are basically so effective in their indoctrination they are able to make the whole world followers of a story about Jesjuah, or Jesus as they call him, which seems curiously enough looks very Greek and Homerish, supporting all kinds of Babylonian and Arcane schools of symbology and religions etc. etc. Throughout the apocrypha Jesjuah time after time forbids his followers to write about him. We should rather worship the living God rather than focusing on the things of the past. We should ackowledge the things which are fulfilled and go on and try to avoid and fight with spirit at the next obstacle. A thing you know in your heart cannot be edited and manipulated just as easy as if you wrote it down. The Spirit should be our witness and councelour, not some mystic librarian in Rome with some rather strange C�sar/Messiah fetish mixed with nearly every heathen tradition you can find. Roman Catholicism like most other Christian denominations base their whole existance on missioning. And you say that they haven't engulfed other religions? Roman Catholicism is a diverse and multifaceted mixture of nearly every religion around. Especially Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Roman and Greek deities are honored in what appears to be a very Medo-Persian legacy. It is the political continuance of the Roman Senate, and the spiritual melting pod created by C�sar Constantine the Great more or less.

Forgive me for questining your integrity, but if you have studied history and these things are unfamiliar to you, I start wondering what kind of university you bought your wisdom from.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Hamilton]

Originally posted by Hamilton
Roman Catholicism is a diverse and multifaceted mixture of nearly every religion around. Especially Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Roman and Greek deities are honored in what appears to be a very Medo-Persian legacy.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Hamilton]

Huh... we're in agreement!

The Catholic Church, including the off bracnhes I mentioned above, all stem from the writings of the Essenes; well, okay, except for the Mayans. They got their Catholic upbringing from a different source...

In turn, the Essenes gathered their information from primarily two groups, the Hindus and the Chaldeans. The Cahldeans, as some may know, settled and stated the city-state of Ur, the heart of Sumeria.

It was a Sumerian prophet, Zoroaster, who traveled to India, sharing his wisdom of the one High God. The Indians took his teachings and coupled them with their own, creating the Hindus and Buddists we know today

So, in essence, all can be traced to Sumeria... or as Hamilton mentioned... the Medo-Persian legacy.

Who'd have thought Hamilton and I would have met and agreed on this area? There's hope for you yet!

Originally posted by Hamilton

Originally posted by Faisca
I wouldn't call Roman Catholicism a one world religion... Sure there are many people who are Roman Catholic, but it hasn't drawn people from other religions into it, yet anyway.

And you said you had a couple of diplomas in history? Catholicism must be the widest and most effectively spread religion around. But it is merely one version out of many of the wisdom and mystics surrounding the Jewish Messiah Jesjuah. They are basically so effective in their indoctrination they are able to make the whole world followers of a story about Jesjuah, or Jesus as they call him, which seems curiously enough looks very Greek and Homerish, supporting all kinds of Babylonian and Arcane schools of symbology and religions etc. etc. Throughout the apocrypha Jesjuah time after time forbids his followers to write about him. We should rather worship the living God rather than focusing on the things of the past. We should ackowledge the things which are fulfilled and go on and try to avoid and fight with spirit at the next obstacle. A thing you know in your heart cannot be edited and manipulated just as easy as if you wrote it down. The Spirit should be our witness and councelour, not some mystic librarian in Rome with some rather strange C�sar/Messiah fetish mixed with nearly every heathen tradition you can find. Roman Catholicism like most other Christian denominations base their whole existance on missioning. And you say that they haven't engulfed other religions? Roman Catholicism is a diverse and multifaceted mixture of nearly every religion around. Especially Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Roman and Greek deities are honored in what appears to be a very Medo-Persian legacy. It is the political continuance of the Roman Senate, and the spiritual melting pod created by C�sar Constantine the Great more or less.

Forgive me for questining your integrity, but if you have studied history and these things are unfamiliar to you, I start wondering what kind of university you bought your wisdom from.

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Hamilton]

I know this is totally random,but i would love to see a thread stating your beliefs, you fasinate me with your wisdom of the word of god.

Originally posted by soothsayer
Huh... we're in agreement!

Yes, but sadly only here. It's hard to get the picture when you're in it so to speak.

So, in essence, all can be traced to Sumeria... or as Hamilton mentioned... the Medo-Persian legacy.

Which happens to be the One World Order Peace Plan made by Kyros or Cyrus depending on which transliteration you use. Which is the base of both the UN and the Vatican it seems. In Daniel the Medo-Persian king is symbolised like a ram which is brutally knocked dead by a flying goat from the west(!). The two horns on this ram or lamb may be the two world govs I mentioned: UN and the Vatican.

Who'd have thought Hamilton and I would have met and agreed on this area? There's hope for you yet!

Strange, I was just about to say the exact same thing....

Blessings,
Mikromarius

[Edited on 4-3-2004 by Hamilton]

Originally posted by StJames
I know this is totally random,but i would love to see a thread stating your beliefs, you fasinate me with your wisdom of the word of god.

Seen my thread about the New Jerusalem yet?

Blessings,
Mikromarius

Originally posted by Hamilton
Which is the base of both the UN and the Vatican it seems... the Medo-Persian.

Wouldn't you think that since the religions are all connected... taking into account variances due to cultural changes (ie names and such), that the Sumerian texts are the true workings? After all, they're the ones who started it.

And no... so you and I don't get into another tif, I'm only talking about the Old Testament here. The Jesus books are a seperate thing altogether.

Ok, look Hamilton. I've done nothing to attack you or your intelligence, so cut doing it to me. I don't care if that's the way you talk.

With regards to what you think, and what you're telling me about. I can see exactly where you're coming from now that you've pointed everything out for me. Of course I know about history, but I don't see the things you do because you look at it in a different way than me. I assume you've searched through history for things that fulfill prophecy, and done quite a lot of research into it. This is fine for you to do, but I haven't done this. It's not as obvious unless you're looking for it, you know? Yes, I know Roman Catholicism is a huge religion, and it's the base for many offshoots, and its fundamental principles are the base for many other religions. I'm just saying, it's not a one world religion, it might be big, but everyone in the world does not practice it.

I'm glad you have very strong opinions and beliefs, but you have to understand that other people have their own beliefs too. You talk like you're the expert on this stuff, that no one out there is entitled to have their own opinion. That's good for you to think, but I'm sorry that's not the case. Everyone has their own opinion about everything. This is merely your take on events from the Bible, and you believe in them deeply, which I applaud. I don't see things as you do, I haven't searched for them as you have, so I'm not going to understand exactly where you're coming from.

Get what I'm sayin?