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In Search of Acupuncture with Leanord Nemoy
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Here is some research that proved Chinese medicine is very real, and was televised on TV as it happened.
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Acupuncture anasthesia, a girl receives open heart surgery while fully concious and without a general anesthetic and minimal sedation-
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Ancient Chinese Anti-toxin and anti-cancer Herbal Medicine long known in China, proven to be effective against cancer and is being used to make Anti-Cancer drugs in the west
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Chinese medicine video-
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Example of Cerebral Palsy-
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Acupuncture Cerebral Palsy Miracle
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paralyzed woman walks
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Acupuncture studies-
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Some people have attempted to prove acupuncture false by using a needle that feels like it pricks the skin but doesn't really penetrate the skin, as a placebo. The problem with that is that appraoch knows nothing about acupucnture. If you see in the videos, the insertion of the needle has nothing to do with the effects, it's only the manipulation after it is inserted that has strong effects that you physically feel, and it's the manipulation of the needle that can do real things and increase health.

Remember, the pin prick has nothing to do with it, it's the manipulation after the insertion, and de qi, that makes it real

what is considered the most necessary part of acupuncture treatment is the "de qi", or what western studies are now seeming to call "needle grasp". This happens after the needle is inserted due to manipulation by the doctor, and to the doctor feels like a subtle feeling like a fish pulling a fishing line a little bit, like a magnetic current pulling on the needle. It's not hitting a nerve or anything easily explained by western science. This needle grasp creates many strong sensations like numbing, heaviness, electricity, tingling, warmth, vibrating, etc. in the patient. It is essential for curing diseases with acupuncture. Other methods are Intensive acupressure massage, cupping, herbal medicine, external qi emission from doctor to patient, and Qigong and meditation exercises,

What I am really getting at is that there have been some western doctors who tried to make a faulty and incorrect kind of test for acupuncture. They made some needles that feel like they were pricking you, but weren't actually going in. They decided then to test 2 groups of people, one group they inserted needles into certain known acupuncture points that supposed to treat a certain thing. Then they gave the fake needles to the other group who thought they were real. The testers said their test showed "real"acupucnture was no more effective than "sham"acupucnture. However, since they were not acupuncturists and knew nothing about neelde grasp or de qi, what they were really testing was sham acupuncture vs. sham acupuncture, not real acupucnture vs. sham acupuncture.

Others tried to test it by comparing needles put in "fake" points vs. needles put in "real" acupuncture points. These tests are also invalid because they didn't understand de qi.

Articles proving the existence of De Qi
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A 2,000 year-old technique may hold the key to acupuncture's therapeutic effect

A new study establishes a link between needle manipulation and biomechanical effects

Bethesda, MD -- Western medical experts have been inherently skeptical of acupuncture's therapeutic value for the treatment of pain and other medical conditions. One reason is that it seems very unlikely that the simple act of inserting fine needles into tissue could elicit any effect at all, let alone wide-ranging and long-lasting therapeutic effects. Acupuncture needles are of a finer gauge than even the finest hypodermic needles (not considered therapeutic); acupuncture rarely results in a single drop of blood being discharged.

What skeptics are not aware of is that acupuncture typically involves manual needle manipulation after needle insertion. Manual needle manipulation consists of rapidly rotating (back-and-forth or one direction) and/or pistoning (up-and-down motion) of the needle. The manipulation can be brief (a few seconds), prolonged (several minutes), or intermittent depending on the clinical situation. Manipulation occurs even when electrical stimulation is used (a relatively recent development in the history of acupuncture).

Traditionally, manipulation is performed to elicit the characteristic reaction to acupuncture needling known as "de qi." De qi has a sensory component, known as "needle grasp," which is perceived by the patient as an ache or heaviness in the area surrounding the needle and a simultaneously occurring biomechanical component that can be perceived by the acupuncturist. During needle grasp, the acupuncturist feels as if the tissue is grasping the needle such that there is increased resistance to further motion of the manipulated needle. This "tug" on the needle is classically described as "like a fish biting on a fishing line."

I have always been curious about alternative medicines and healing. Thanks for posting this. In respect to acupuncture, can anyone tell me how safe this practice is from a hygienic standpoint? I mean, do they use fresh needles for each person or how does the whole thing work? Also, would the metal used in the needles play a factor in results of this process?

The needles come sterilized and packaged in plastic packages that have never been opened. A needle is only used one time and when it is taken out of the body it is thrown out. Also, each point that a needle is inserted in, is dabbed by cotton soaked in alcohol before the needle is inserted.

[edit on 14-5-2008 by Hollywood11]