God is fake!

reply to post by whitesatan


So it is your opinion that God doesn't exist, not fact.... correct?
I'll say it too. It's my opinion that God is real, not fact. I can agree to disagree with you on those terms. God bless you on your journey and may I suggest that if you ever do find God, don't do it through a catholic church for it is the church that plagued christianity with pagan/false teachings. I would suggest the United Church of God.

Locoman8

Your source is wikipedia even after what happened with it last year. OK that is your choice. You probably are the one who wrote it though. No proof you did or didn't at this point.

How can I believe something that came from a source that has so much false information on the site.

My accusation came out of the text books which I learned from in school. So your saying that books approved by the government to teach us are false and made up.

and yet i'm a tool. If you are blown up(murdered) then your life has been destroyed. Don't play games with me. They can mean the same thing.

Locoman8

You are very loco.

I think we should just agree to disagree because you are just to stubborn to learn the truth.



Look I can do that to.

It is in my opinion God is fake based on the facts God can't be proven to be real.

[edit on 16-5-2008 by whitesatan]

reply to post by whitesatan


Okay, I was starting to play nice but I see you can't let it go. Wikipedia gave sources for research and I wouldn't trust government funded popsicles if they told me they would last forever. True, there was an Ice Age which killed off some animals, but it didn't kill Dinosaurs because dinosaurs were extinct already by that time.

Blown up can mean destroyed but destroyed can be taken in a number of ways. Stabbing is destroying, burning is destroying, breaking is destroying. My point is, when I said "destroyed" I didn't mean "blown up". I meant, "life was destroyed." It's a stupid argument and you know damn well where I was getting at. You're just trying to save face at this point. Do you want another source other than wikipedia?


Here is a snippet from Scholastic... your government funded text book resource:

"Adapted from Dinosaurs: The Very Latest Information and Hands-On Activities From the Museum of the Rockies, by Liza Charlesworth and Bonnie Sachatello-Sawyer. A Scholastic Professional Book.

The last dinosaurs died approximately 65 million years ago. Although the cause of their extinction is still a mystery, climatic change, diseases, changing plant communities, and geologic events could all have played a role.

Lately, dinosaur extinction theories have been the subject of much debate and controversy. A recent explanation, supported by many scientists, suggests that dinosaurs died out soon after a huge meteorite crashed to Earth near the Gulf of Mexico. A giant meteorite, they reason, could have landed with an impact that kicked up enough dust and debris to block out sunlight for a long time — leading to a deadly chain of events. Without the sun, all the plants died; without the plants, all the plant-eaters died; and without the plant-eaters, all the meat-eaters died. Sounds reasonable. But there is one problem with this theory: Paleontologists have not yet been able to find dinosaur skeletons in rocks dating to the period of impact. Some evidence even seems to indicate that all the dinosaurs had died before the meteorite hit.

What is the answer? As paleontologists search for clues to support their theories, they agree to disagree.

Where Did All The Dinos Go? Some Leading Theories:


A big meteorite crashed into Earth, changing the climatic conditions so dramatically that dinosaurs could not survive.

Ash and gas spewing from volcanoes suffocated many of the dinosaurs.

Diseases wiped out entire populations of dinosaurs.

Food chain imbalances lead to the starvation of the dinosaurs."


So you see, there are a number of theories but none saying the earth froze. If the earth did freeze, it's because of the climate change caused by the dust from the meteor, which still leads to the conclusion that they died from a meteor/comet. I'm done man. You find stupid things like problems with wikipedia. I'm sure there's a problem with scholastic too huh? Heed your own advice and lets agree to disagree.

You knew what I meant by blew up. Many things can mean destroyed and that is what I was getting at.

"Although the cause of their extinction is still a mystery"

It is still a mystery but they teach the Ice Age killed the dinosaurs. Not that satan destroyed the earth because there is to much controversy. You can't teach something that has been, is, and will be disputed a lot.

Whether the person has sources or not on wikipedia doesn't mean that he is right. If he graduated from harvard and was number one in his class and studies what he is talking about, then I would believe his posting on wikipedia.

"If the earth did freeze, it's because of the climate change caused by the dust from the meteor, which still leads to the conclusion that they died from a meteor/comet."

I think we have established that a meteor has cause the Ice Age. It still doesn't prove that Satan cause the dinosaurs to die. It will most likely never be proven.

"You find stupid things like problems with wikipedia. I'm sure there's a problem with scholastic too huh?"

There is no problem with scholastic. They teach kids and those kids become very bright and become the government. The government may not be so bright all of the time but they don't play around with kids futures.

Take a look at this website. This is why I don't trust wikipedia.
arstechnica.com...

I gave the advice agree to disagree. You don't seem to want to follow it. I am going to agree to disagree. Do whatever the hell you want. I don't care. Just don't say I'm not following my advice. I am.



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reply to post by whitesatan


Well congratulations on giving up. The Ice Age happened when the first mammals were on the planet. Dinosaurs were already extinct by that time. It's common knowledge. I'm done with this thread. I can agree to disagree with you because you make no sense. One more thing... do something about that sand that's in your vagina or take a midol or something. How about a new hair style?

I have better things to do then play he said/she said with some cranky PMSing bitch.

You are the weakest link.... goodbye.

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Originally posted by OmegaLogos
1stly You have no idea what I want and I take this as a personal attack. Please refrain and attack my arguments and not me. Also you state I won't do something as opposed to having not done something and this is misleading and defames me and I ask that you kindly retract that statement.

Well your right about the personal attack part, so I'm sorry for doing that, please forgive me.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
2ndly thanks for the explanation for it raises some points I would love to debate. For example A) GODS The Editor in Chief of his Book and is responsible for its upkeep. He also owns copyright and this should ensure the veracity of its truth. so why would he let the word "rah/ra" be translated as "evil" (clearly a moral concept) instead of "natural disaster"

Lol, you can't be serious right? We're talking about Ancient Text, not Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings or Steven Kings works. We're talking about people who are writing about God, God Himself did not right anything at all in the Bible, people who experienced God wrote about what they had experienced. Some things like the book of Genesis are stories about how the earth came into existance, something God probably told people. You should read the Book of Enoch or 1Enoch, it's pretty interesting to say the least.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
and B) it isn't obvious at all in my opinion and could mean either or both. Next is C) if you look it talks about opposites (light and dark) and I suggest war is the opposite of peace and this again goes to his morality!

On the contrary, peace is not always the opposite of war, if you look you see that there is no other moral mentions in the text. The Oposite of peace can be, calamity, chaos, noise, strife and many others that I can't think of, peace is not specific to morality, that is an American language judgment and you must understand these text are not written in english, but in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Chaldean, different words mean different things to these ancient peoples and only by looking in other text can we come up with a proper gage of inference to understand them some times, I research many ancient text to learn, not just about spiritual matters, but many things, so when I read something I look all around the text to find a good inference gage.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
And finally D) if it does refer to natural disasters do you think he is so moral after the most recent cyclone disaster in Burma/Myanmar or the earthquake in China with so many lives (especially children) lost! Also I don't believe you can divorce morality from nature! Care to refute.

When sin entered the world it brought about many bad things (diesease, death, destruction ect.) and Satan is the God of this world since we sinned. In the Old Law, God did not have grace for us, we had to earn it, but God's plan was to bring us a Saviour (Yeshua) so we can have grace and salvation, God no longer punishes us in that manner as He did in the Old Law.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
Personal Disclosure: Again you jump the gun when you say and I quote you fully "Send me some more I'll explain them, you can either except what I am telling you or deny it, most likely you will deny it seeing how you have made up your mind and will not listen to the truth I tell you"...... Sure I will send you some more but I will let you respond to my comments 1st.

I am niether accepting or denying anything, I am explaining, I have a great deal of knowledge on this subject.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
And just because I don't readily accept your arguments and as yet I don't believe I am denying anything unreasonably, please don't tell me you are psycic and know for sure that I won't eventually accept what you have to say for I'm not so arrogant as to say I know it all and can't learn or change but I feel you need more watertight arguments before I do so. Also it would be nice if you answered the questions I asked in my 1st reply to you about the falsifiability of you theory of GOD! Care to even refute the CBM/WMAP evidence I provided?

Agreed, but can you refresh me about what you wrote? I'm a little confused.

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
Deny Ignorance 1st!
Become totally disillusioned and finally see everything for real. Think Globally, Act Locally and Feel Internally.

Amen brotha.

whitesatan
I never admitted defeat, simply because you have not defeated me, you can't you never even through a contact punch.

I find it funny that you critisized my grammer, my mom was reading over my should and was laughing at your terrible spelling and grammar.

I thought I'd go ahead and jump back in to respond to something you said that is an out right lie about me, you said that I called myself a catholic. I am incredibly offened by that. I am no catholic and I dare you to quote me saying that I am one, you can't cause there isn't one.

Further more, I don't have to go to church to be with God, I am with Him right now, I have His guidance in my life, I have a personal relationship with Him, I don't have to go to church to be with God, He is with me always. You ahouls really try to get to know Him, He's a great guy. I have no alliegence to a church, my alliegence is with my God, I am the church, so are many other Christians, the church is not a building where people gather together and worship God, it is the people themselves.

I noticed you put me on your foe list, but honestly I am your best friend right now and you don't even know it, yet.

God Bless,

-Jimmy

I never said that you admitted defeat. That would be called a lie. I simply said you should admit defeat.

Tell me how to through a punch to think I can.

I can throw a punch but you are to far away and I don't feel like going all that way just to knock you out.

When did I criticize your grammar. I don't remember Correct me if I'm wrong but you better have proof.

Exactly there is no quote that said I called you catholic. So don't make false accusations.

I am not going to waste my time believing in something that isn't there. Neither should you. You must not believe in God if you can't take an hour out of your life to go to church. If he is with you then you should be nice enough to show reverence to be with him a =n hour every week.

You are not my friend. You never will be. You make false accusations about someone you don't know. You have no sense and will probably never have any sense or logic. I don't allow people to be my friends when they are @$$ holes.

I am agreeing to disagree because this argument is obviously over. You are to stubborn to look at the facts and grasp them. When you decide that you would like to admit defeat let me know.

I feel truely sorry for you. You have been lied to by the church. Pray to whoever the hell you want to. Probably will do no Good since there is no one to answer your prayers.

Originally posted by whitesatan
I never said that you admitted defeat. That would be called a lie. I simply said you should admit defeat.

Oh yes, yes you did, whiteliar. You have not edited this post yet.

Originally posted by whitesatan
Thank you for finally admitting defeat.

Originally posted by whitesatan
When did I criticize your grammar. I don't remember Correct me if I'm wrong but you better have proof.

Ask and ye shall recieve...

Originally posted by whitesatan
Check your grammar when telling someone thaey have no education. That shows you are dumber than the person you are talking about.

And my vocabulary LOL...

Originally posted by whitesatan
You my friend have no vocabulary. Man that is said. I would have expected more out of you.

Originally posted by whitesatan
Exactly there is no quote that said I called you catholic. So don't make false accusations.

Must I really go through the trouble of quoting myself?
I never said "you called me a catholic" I said you said I called myself a catholic.
I put it in bold so you can see it, I did not edit that post, it's on page 7 btw.

Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
I thought I'd go ahead and jump back in to respond to something you said that is an out right lie about me, you said that I called myself a catholic.

Which was a response to this...
(point words bolden)

Originally posted by whitesatan
How am I a liar when you say you are catholic yet there is no Church that believes what you believe.

Originally posted by whitesatan
I am not going to waste my time believing in something that isn't there. Neither should you. You must not believe in God if you can't take an hour out of your life to go to church. If he is with you then you should be nice enough to show reverence to be with him a =n hour every week.

Well I don't know what a "=n hour" is, but I take hours out of my day every day to be with Him, I 1Up you buddy.

Originally posted by whitesatan
You are not my friend. You never will be. You make false accusations about someone you don't know. You have no sense and will probably never have any sense or logic. I don't allow people to be my friends when they are @$$ holes.

Oh, but like I said, I am your best friend, you just don't know it, yet.

Originally posted by whitesatan
I am agreeing to disagree because this argument is obviously over. You are to stubborn to look at the facts and grasp them. When you decide that you would like to admit defeat let me know.

Actually, you had your butt handed to you, you are starting to see that your argument has been defeated.

Originally posted by whitesatan
I feel truely sorry for you. You have been lied to by the church. Pray to whoever the hell you want to. Probably will do no Good since there is no one to answer your prayers.

Lol, thanks for giving me permission to do something I do all the time, I have been lied to in church though, that much is true, it's one of the reasons I don't go, plus I found the truth by looking for it myself.

God Bless,

-Jimmy

First of all I didn't criticize your grammar. I said you sound dumber than the person you are falsely accusing when your sentence structure is weak. You can not look dumber than the person you criticize it makes you look bad.

"I have been lied to in church though, that much is true"

The church basically agrees to every thing you have tried to prove. So you have once again proven the point that God can not be proven to be real or un real but an intelligent man would know what to believe.

""Announcer - And JimmyJackBlack with the assist""

I have not admitted defeat. I will never do so because I have made my point. You are to stubborn to believe so.

"an hour"
[snip]

I have simply agreed to disagree because you are to stubborn to look at the truth. Why do you deserve the truth? At this point in time you don't. This argument was over before it started.

You feel sorry for yourself all th time praying to a God that won't do anything. OK if you say so.

So you go to church every day to be with him. Thought you said you didn't go to church. Your 1 up is now a 15 down.

My argument has not been defeated. I am just tired of arguing with someone who is to stubborn to see the real truth.

You will never be my friend. You are a stubborn SOB. When you open your eyes and see the truth there might be a very slim chance for a friendship. Oh I see know. You will be my friend. So you admit defeat. Am i correct if not so then you will never be my friend.

I am agreeing to disagree. My butt has not been handed to me. Yours on the other hand was handed to you the first time you posted.

We will never get an answer. We will never know the truth. But we can make educated guess about what happened by using the facts that we have discovered. I suggest you do so. It would ake your life a whole heck of a lot easier.

In enlightment of BFMV, Here are "4 Words to Choke Upon".

Victory is Mine Now!

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reply to post by whitesatan


I don't have to go to church to find God re-re.
I proved that you have lied, watcha think about that?

-Jimmy

reply to post by whitesatan


What if God is Earth?

What if the bible has only been translated into most know languages for the simple reason to teach later generations how to deal with the earth we live on?
With the thought of man’s make up of 75% water 25% land such has the earth, but the earth at its size can fix itself with the removal of wildlife and beast living on it with the simple act of flooding, earthquake, plague (most man caused), freezing, thawing, shifting, etc.
Have we focused on petty needs of few (the elite) and not all (the rest of us) and not the growth of understanding, can’t we at least provide renewable energy source and solid food supply without striping the earth of the core minerals it holds (would continue to draw plasma/blood from you aging/dying body) ?

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Can you be sure that oil is not a renewable fuel resource?
What if there are comets and moons made out of the exact same thing we pump out of the ground as oil?
How do we strip the earth? Are we dragging off materials to another planet and leaving ours bare?
My God is not a chunk of material spinning around under gravitational influences.
My God made us in His own image and wants us to fill the earth.
We may or may not be doing a good job of it, and taking care of things.
If we are doing bad things, it is not so much the fault of the common people, but the masters and elite of the world who actually want to destroy civilizations.

reply to post by whitesatan


Looks like you're already in trouble with the moderators of the thread. Your bts points dropped off the face of the earth. As for your idea of church... there is nothing in the Bible telling me that I have to sit in a building to listen to a hypocrite speak the word of God when he doesn't abide by it. Like jimmy said, the Church is the body of people that follow Christ, not a building. If jimmy worships God in his own time with his own people, then he is technically at church because the bible even said that the church is a body of people and that every person is his own church. The Old testament even says that your body is a Temple of God and to take care of it. Your church argument is weak so don't even go there.

reply to post by whitesatan

The bible may actually be true but there is no proof and dont tell me there is because there isnt any proof. There may be a God but once again the Bible could be completely false.

Well, you bring up some interesting thoughts. I can see that you are amongst the so many who confuse God with religion and God with the religious views of the Bible. Here is what I have to say:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by whitesatan


I actually have no idea what you're talking about.
there are 10 commandments of course but these 7 laws you speak of simply don't make sense. They don't exist in the Christian bible. refer to the book of exodus. chapter 3, but I'm not sure on the exact verse I think it might be somewhere between 10-20
we could argue all day over whether God is real or not. but it's simply an endless debate and seems rather irrational to what is really important.\
Plus i don't think that God would want us to argue over him.
there is a message/theme in scripture that the people before us wanted us to hear, and it revolves around these 2 things, which i have found are the most important things you will ever ever learn on this walk through life.

Love.
not infatuation but unconditional love. this is the thing that you search for on the nights you feel empty inside. Love all and let all love you. For this will fill you and complete you. without love, one cannot and willnot find purpose in himself, or anything else for that matter. if you are uncertain as to what love I speak, refer to 1st corinthians 13.

Happiness.
this is what all your actions revolve around. think about it. whatever you did or don't do, you did or don't do it cause deep down you think it'll bring you happiness.

I belive in God. I don't care if you prove him real or not cause i'll still believe. go ahead call me a zealot or whatever but It does no harm to believe in something bigger than you that unconditionally loves you. We need it, I need it and so do you. We need love, and We need happiness.
Both can be found in God. The true God.
Be still and know, that God is very real indeed.

I Believe in God. I love you as you are, whatever you are, whereever you are and am only here to give you helpful advice. please do not be offended by my beliefs as they bring me contentment and i can't help but want to share these things with you and bring you what your heart so craves.

I wish you love and happiness on your journey through life.
Shalom

reply to post by whitesatan


Its been said that when one ponders if there is God, that God has already found you.

For you to ponder is to witness the pendulum of thought.

Its a torrid debate that a person fights within ones own self.

Your journey is for your soul understanding...

Soley

Peace

Locoman8.

Are you retarded?

Points don't go down because of beliefs they go down because of stuff like this below.

You are a #ing retard. Go # of you sorry excuse for a son of a bitch.

So # off!

#, #ity, #, #,#.

What now retard.