Logically the universe does everything in excess; you can mold yourself to be all that you can be

The universe is a balance of excess. There can be "everything in moderation" yet that would cause moderation to be in excess. Everything that we do is in excess, everything that is done is in excess.

I am believing that the universe is telling us to do everything in excess or at the least to wake up that we already do everything in excess and to just accept it.

I am avidly convinced to absoluteness that eventualism is a perpetual must and its persistent outcome to the self is merely a result of the self's determination, focus and chosen perceptions; however I must also concede in deference to the laws of the physical universe when admitting that I truly believe that I have no choice as me being only an independent result of dependent action, and at least that my options are limited to my environment and what I know of it, ergo what I can do with it. The universe does everything in excess even when it's moderation; everything in moderation is an excess of moderation.

How to open your mind and realize that you are in control, what that control is, and how to mold yourself.

The person that you are is an overall habitual accumulation of all your habits. If you are not happy with yourself then begin changing little things, change your habits, make life fun, new, enjoyable and fresh: from the words you say to how you spend your time everyday. I feel at least as if I can somewhat control my emotions and my outlook on life regardless of what happens; it is the happen that I can not control since our wills and desires constantly conflict, yet no matter what happens I will always be happy, playful, loving, caring, truthful, determined and sarcastic. Tolerance is not something that can be demanded; doing such is a contradiction.

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Good advice i'd say. Be happy with your life or change the things you are not happy about and yeah; changing your perspective on the things happening around you is 50% of the solution. Be like how you want the world to be.

I agree with most of what you say, but a bit of a nitpick for me, the universe doesn't do everything to excess. For xample, explosions, no matter how precise rarely happen to their full capability. wether it's a dun round or a rocket, they ususually explode within their maximum, generally a small bit less. likewise, most things exist within their full potential, but not on the edge or beyond it. In terms of people, we pick up things as we move along, little lies and partial truths, memories, and dreams. the physical parts of life, strength, money, power, ect. All is within the potential we have.
the excess, is mainly what it is all carved from. The extra bits that need to be finished or polished.
but for the universe at large, there is rarely anything extra. there is enough, or less.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
For example, explosions, no matter how precise rarely happen to their full capability.

Well, they happen to their full capability given the situation and the terms of surroundings etc.

They don't always go as "expected" by the Human mind, but that doesn't really matter, they go as the situation allows and that's the only way that it can be.

wether it's a dud round or a rocket, they ususually explode within their maximum, generally a small bit less.

Relative to an expected result instead of taking it for what it is and did, which was its own maximum.

but for the universe at large, there is rarely anything extra. there is enough, or less.

Physically, I suppose. Since it's infinite it can't really have an "excess" relative to itself, but since it IS infinite it certainly must be excessive.

There is definitely enough physically, but never more or less relative to the universe's self. Relative to our needs we may experience an excess or a lack.

Logically however, everything about the way we live our lives can be proven to be in excess relative to moderation.

Our lives have a limited time frame, what we do in them is what is measured as moderated, in excess, etc. I can prove that whetever we choose will always end up being a foundation of excess. Whether that excess is randomization, choice, deliberation, moderation, or simply excess itself...

We all do everything a certain way, and that certain way that we do everything is in excess because we always do it that way.

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And yet it is important, is it not - to recognise complacency in times of need?

There is a saying that is true of many people in the world - Everyone has their price.

The question is whether or not you have a price that is equated to in material value.

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Oh yeah, now we're talking Why'd you stop? Add a little more, this can get fun and crazy, fast.

And yet it is important, is it not - to recognise complacency in times of need?

Love this one. Definitely agree. To need and to want causes pain and suffering, the cause of that need and want, sometimes is only a result of selfishness and pretentiousness.

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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal

Physically, I suppose. Since it's infinite it can't really have an "excess" relative to itself, but since it IS infinite it certainly must be excessive.

And now we arrive at the logical conundrum.

Is the universe infinite?

One could consider such thought to be illogical or logical, after all it is only logical that we perceive our reality as limitless, as something that can change over time and become more, similar to the way that humans do - in excess.

I understand your point, but it is illogical.

At the same time as one can logical perceive our reality as limitless, one can also logically perceive our reality as finite - you can not, for example; Create More Energy from Less Energy (at least, mono-dimensionally).

One cannot Logically perceive Reality, and to say that you can perceive Reality as logical or illogical is nothing other than Illogical.

Which brings us to the conundrum of Logic, and the Value of Logic.

It is my belief at this point in time that we exist within a 'logical' (for lack of a better term) dimension, and that 'Logic' is the means of which we understand this dimension.

Mono-dimensionally, you could say that the universe is logical, yes.

But that would not be taking into account the true entirety of the universe, so unfortunately, this Universe is inherently Illogical - we just can't see it as anything other than Logical because our dimensional reality demands that we do.

In excess, Reality is illogical.

I know, simple when you look at it like that, isn't it?

I don't doubt that you can mold yourself, as after all - we're only human.

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant

And now we arrive at the logical conundrum.

Is the universe infinite?

It certainly is.

One could consider such thought to be illogical or logical, after all it is only logical that we perceive our reality as limitless, as something that can change over time and become more, similar to the way that humans do - in excess.

We are such a pretty reflection of what we are, aren't we?

I understand your point, but it is illogical.

Well, it's both logical and illogical

At the same time as one can logically perceive our reality as limitless, one can also logically perceive our reality as finite - you can not, for example; Create More Energy from Less Energy (at least, mono-dimensionally).

The only finite that can be perceived are related to individual material states and the passage of time and both together. Yet time is eternal and material states are interconnected to every other energetical state that is sempiternally interconnected throughout the universe.

One cannot Logically perceive Reality, and to say that you can perceive Reality as logical or illogical is nothing other than Illogical.

Haha. (not laughing at you! Just enjoying the convo) You're contradicting yourself now because you're using the constructs of logic and applying them to your synopsis of the view of reality while concomitantly stating that such can not be used. The universe, in fact, can be and is logically perceived. The universe can only be perceived.

But that would not be taking into account the true entirety of the universe, so unfortunately, this Universe is inherently Illogical - we just can't see it as anything other than Logical because our dimensional reality demands that we do.

Is the universe entire or unentire? It is both.

In excess, Reality is illogical.

Can you prove that without using logic?

I know, simple when you look at it like that, isn't it?

I'm not sure what you mean

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal


I'm not sure what you mean

That's because you've failed to recognise the value i place in the idea of a multi-dimensional universe you pillock.

Which leads me to my next thought: Since nothing new is ever really happening because energy is eternal and all of the knowledge within it to become what it is and can be or has been has always existed (material states, biological life forms, chemical and elemental alchemizations, stable molecules, etc.), then we are always remembering what once was eternally before us, or what we always and already have been... or both or and both You decide... I can't.

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Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
That's because you've failed to recognise the value i place in the idea of a multi-dimensional universe you pillock.

It's undoubtedly multi-dimensional, but those multiple dimensions are consistently interdependent and persistently impartable. Those 3... height, width, depth... create an eternal one... and none of those 3 can ever be isolated.

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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
and none of those 3 can ever be isolated.

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Correct, but they are all logical dimensions, for lack of a better word.

Perhaps we could come up with a new name for "Dimensions within Dimensions" - closest i ever came up with is "Sub-Dimension".

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You dope! I said NONE of those three can EVER be isolated. Do you know what none is? It's the absence of presence and presence of absence, the big goose egg; 0. It can ever be isolated because that's how we identify different forms of matter. We take the immeasurable and label it, causing mental isolation, while still being of the 0, or the none (the 0 which is immeasurable, eternal, infinite, DUH) C'mon... be a little quicker on your toes here.

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Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant

Perhaps we could come up with a new name for "Dimensions within Dimensions" - closest i ever came up with is "Sub-Dimension".

That's called homothetic measurements, I'd assume. Dimension within dimension, the question is... can we infinitely measure smaller or is there a limit?! And if there is, what is to be learned from that limit?

Infinitely expansive is cake for me to accept, it's this infinitely smaller idea that has me squabbled.

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I am quick on my toes mate, or at least quick in the most abstract sense of the word.

A Dimension is the sum of it's parts, as after all those three 'infinite' dimensions you speak of are what make up the dimensions in which we live, see and breath.

After all, it's not as if we could survive simply on width - it is the conglomeration of 'sub-dimensions' that allow us to perceive the reality in which we are currently residing in.

As i said, there is some difficulty arising due to that which we choose to label dimensions.

It is purely an imaginative work, i acknowledge that - but it is impossible to know whether or not there is something beyond that which we can readily perceive, because it is indeed possible that there may be another 'reality' (or 'dimension') which is made up of different sub-dimensions.

It would be difficult for me to describe another reality to you, but i'll simply go with saying that in another reality, it is entirely possible that there is a 'sub-dimension' which warps those three dimensions that we perceive in our 'reality' into completely different sub-dimensions.

Which could be a way to explain how the universe is infinite*.



*In it's multi-dimensional capacity, of course.

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Well, it's easy to explain how the universe is infinite. Absence isn't something that can exist. So what would be outside of the universe then if it is expanding? "Nothing"? Impossible, because nothing doesn't exist. There is no outside and it's not expanding. It's really not that difficult, I don't understand why people make up all these sci-fi theories that end up having no relation to physical reality or physics to explain the universe.