You have money, survivalist knowledge, and you want to buy some acres. Where would you buy????

I'm speaking in terms of lets say you have the financing to purchase 80-120 acres, stock some starter chickens, goats, cows, as well as starter seeds for fruits and veggies.

You are also well versed in survivalist training, and in the first year or so can build a home and stock it with solar panels.

Where would you purchase? In the U.S.??? Move to Canada and buy there??

Northern states or southern states??

Keeping into consideration the southern states have more sun for your solar panels, winter survival is more difficult and requires some additional shelter for animals....but then again you are limited to what you can grow and so forth.

Where would you buy and build????

[edit on 26-4-2008 by dominicus]

If I had that kind of money, I wouldn't stop at solar panels. I would have part of a large hill dug out, and put in a ecological house in it. I would have it reinforced (for earthquake protection) and have sky lights installed. I not only, tho, would have solar panels, but also a wind generator, and hopefully live near a stream to us the water to generate electricity too. I would store my extra electricity in batteries, and use them for bartering on things I might need. I would build somewhere deep in the hills Northern California near the coast, because the pervailing winds flow west to east; this is in case a nuclear bomb is dropped. If a electromagnetic pulse bomb is dropped, my electronics would be safe in my house, since it would be underground. I also would have my greenhouse built into the hill, and use UV lighting and stored electricity to maintain the correct temps. for year round growing. I would have a few cashmere goats, so after shearing I can make warm socks and sweaters and also use them to barter with. If I had the money I definately would survive with the few skills I have. It would also be a good thing to have people "like minded" living nearby to share with.

paisley,
Great reply. I learned something new today with the cashmere goats for both clothing and bartering. I applaud you on all that info.

Is there perhaps a site that sells these batteries where you can store electricity from your solar into???

Also, do you think a community such as this would work? Perhaps 3-15 like minded individuals all pool their financial resources to purchase a bigger acreage...maybe 300-1,000 acres....and then everybody works together to help build each others eco-homes and green houses.

In the area I live there are many who are combining households. We get plenty of sun here but the winters are cold. We find that there are many compounds with families living together on just a few acres up to hundreds. Some have had their compounds for years.

Wherever you went, you'd have to stay safe from neary every imaginable natural phenomena. All being controlled and generated of course.

I would buy as much land with mountain property as possable, even better if the whole mountain could be puchased. From there tunneling and reenforced structural construction would begin so I would have my own safe deep underground haven.

Some were family and friends could find shelter in the worse case. I'm sure the ideas are plentyfull, so I won't drag on about what else could be done.


Also, this is more better suited in the Survival Forum, and I'll be relocating it there since nothing precisely NWO'ish was mentioned in this thread.

reply to post by dominicus

Is there perhaps a site that sells these batteries where you can store electricity from your solar into???

I know you weren't talking to me, but I can answer your question...

If you are looking to use electricity from solar/wind/water/etc., the easiest way would be to use a 12V system like a car does. Use auto generators/alternators if you are converting motion, or if using solar, set the cells up on a 12V array (13.8V for charging a 12V battery).

You can get lead acid 12V batteries from just about any electronics supplier, but I normally use Mouser for new and either Electronic Goldmine or All Electronics for surplus.

I'd recommend picking up a few batteries from the local auto parts store or department store though. They're typically cheaper for the amperage. Marine deep-cycle batteries are even better, though they can cost more. They'll last longer with repeated use.

The good part of using 12VDC is that the charging system is pretty much cut-and-paste using parts that are easily available, and a simple 12V inverter will give you up to 3kW of household power (more if you want to go play in the big units for more $$$). 3kW is the equivalent of an average electric water heater or 30 100W light bulbs. So you can stack them side by side to run more stuff. The only thing in a typical household that pulls more is the dryer, the electric oven, or the heating/cooling. Just make sure you're putting back what you take out of the batteries or they'll run out of juice.

TheRedneck

The peak district, derbyshire uk

My self and my partner are planning to move out here some day! it has some of the most beautiful country side in the uk and is quite remote. also, were the ice caps to completely melt it is one of the places in the uk that wouldn't be completely submerged in water!! also there are rolling hills and it's perfect for building underground or into the sides of etc as mentioned before!

if i win the lottery i am going to build a community out there and have all my friends and family come live there and we'll all work the land and help each other!

i can only dream hey!!

Utah.

That's if I could finish the payments...

I'd buy a fenced in missile silo in the Dakotas, Wyoming or Montana region. Set it up with solar and wind turbines load it up with guns and ammo at hand. I'd stock food, water and necessary supplies to be out of circulation for at least a year or so. Maybe peter davenport would let me in his missile silo till its over.

It depends on what apocalypse you intend to survive.
Global Ice Age? You want an isolated island in the carribean that will eventually become your mountain lair. Global Warming? Well then the carribbiean might not be the best choice. Zombie Uprising? A mountain aerie with steep rock faces is you best bet there, on the other hand if the dragons return up high is the last place you want to be. So tell me, which apocalypse do you hope to survive?

Northern Saskatchewan/Alberta in Canada. Possibly further north depending on specific sitx. Isolated, well stocked with game, sheltered (in forests), plenty of water :-) Its cold though brother.

I'm in Australia and I've finally decided to get serious and set a 3 year plan for removal from the city and establish perhaps a 20 acre property close to the coast but not at risk of water levels rising. I doubt I'll be gone in time, but I'm gonna brush up on my bushcraft and build an inventory of survival equipment, which will be a lot of weekend warrior fun in the meantime.

I'd love to buy up the north nsw coast around byron bay hinterland except its mega expensive near the coast and hard to get decent acreage. Further inland around casino is very cheap, sparsely populated with loads of forests and wildlife. I do love the coastal breeze though! Other options are further north on the sunshine coast hinterland, or way south around Batemans Bay.

To be honest I simply want an honest tree-change mainly for a laidback lifestyle and to start a family, but being cynically minded about our society and civilisation, I think it's bloody obvious the writing is on the wall we will face situation X sooner rather than later.

My main concerns in the near term are radiological or biological 'terrorist' attack (from either side of the fence), food shortages brought on by GM shenanigans, or perhaps a crushing economic depression casting people onto the street (I think that is less likely in this country as we are supplying so much raw resources to the orient). Long term, I foresee big brother making urban lifestyles hellish in particular. A bit of land and space would be a comfortable firewall.

The problem on my mind is that if there is a situation x to deal with, a massive exodus from the city could really play havoc around rural areas as desperate refugees pass through like army ants ravaging all the carefully planted food and plundering communities etc on their way.

I also foresee a mad max type scenario developing as there are dozens of bikie gangs ideally setup for dominating rural australia under any breakdown of law & order. You can bet your ass they'll be first out of the city and packing the firepower to take anything and anyone they want along the way. Perhaps even they will be given free range over the countryside to keep the urban populations fearful of escape. Gonna be some fun!

I dont think living near any of the "coasts" is a good idea at all.....due to the possibility of extremely high rising sea levels predicted in our near future....as well as the possibilities of tsunamis.

I definately agree about being in a rural, "hidden" forested and mountain-esque area....hopefully with a natural spring near by or clean river or some sort of water supply.

just to add, the east coast of Australia has a "Great Dividing Range" (similar to the rocky's in the use but smaller in height), which stretches from northern Queensland at the top all the way down to Victoria, and is situated near the coast, but far enough inland in most places.

if you were to set up either on or further out than this range you would be well protected from the rising sea levels.

most communities on or near the mountains in the "Great Dividing Range" are small communities which service farms etc and would be a great place for a survival haven should all hell break loose.

I would buy my own island if money were no option. By boat or chopper, have supplies flown in. Generators , medical supplies, food seed etc.

Ama

If you research the last Great Depression or even see the movie
or read the book, "The Grapes of Wrath" you may learn that so
many people tried to come to California then that they had to
close the freakin borders.

It's because there is so much food grown in California and you
don't need to pay extra for things like heating.
Therefore when things break down and food can't be shipped
there's too much food in California.

The main problem with Utah, Montana, and Canada (besides food)
is the cold winters. Do you really want to be isolated that long.
In California you don't have such harsh winters.

I have 10 acres in northern california near a big lake with two
wild streams on it. (Drinkable) An artesian well. Just about
15 miles from a relatively large city. I thought about this a long
time before I got this. It's pretty rural, off the grid-perfect.

My only problems are rattlesnakes, hornets and it can get pretty
hot in the summer. But the summer is when you can hit the road
with a travel trailer or just travel. It's pretty wild-as in wilderness.
A horde of wild boars went through recently and a young black bear ran away from me last year.

Text PinkFor the record, I love the idea of a commune of sorts. It seems to me to be the only way that we can actually protect ourselves and our loved ones effectively. It would be tough to do though; the government is watching. If you haven't read the stories about how Ed and Elaine Brown were taken down, it's a lesson in being cautious.

I have a friend here in WA state who has found a piece of property in Eastern WA with a fairly reasonable price tag. Several people/families going in together could make this a reality.

Building a small community of family and close friends you can trust
is vital. It's one of the best things you can do.

I have some friends with open invites to my land when things
go sour. Fortunately most of my friends are doing fine-right now.

Any place close to a fresh water source would be ideal, other than that, if you have sufficient survival skills/wills, then just focus on saving money. When my friends/family started their commune they bought the land at a tax auction for dirt cheap and used the rest of the money for extra supplies.

If money is not an issue and you are worried about earth quakes, volcanoes or rising sea levels, I would suggest living at sea. Either an old pirate style ship or perhaps create a geodesic dome/sea platform, a giant buoy of sorts.

[edit on 4/28/2008 by psychedeliack]