When It's Cool to be Evil

My friends and I did three whores yesterday," my son, 16, remarked casually.
"Then we killed them and took our money back."

He was referring to the new video game craze, "Grand Theft Auto --Vice City" which allows impressionable teens to pretend they are psychotic gangsters. They become ex-con "Tommy Vercetti," a Darwinian survivor in a pitiless post-modern paradise, Vice City.

They have a choice of 120 vehicles and 30 weapons (meat cleaver, machete) to use to gun down policemen, rob liquor stores and jack cars. Made by Sony, the game teaches the young it's cool to be evil. The predecessor game "Grand Theft Auto-3", (only 50 vehicles, 20 weapons) sold seven million copies.

My son added: "If I had a high-powered rifle and wasn't afraid of the law, it's what I'd do."
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That game rules!!!

Oh boo the F hoo. That proves what I said before, parents never want to take the blame for their kids. Nowadays it's oh he listened to Marylin Monroe, Ozzy, played violent video games, it's the school's fault. Before it was the parents fault, and they were embarresed when kid did something. Now adays, the parents are to busy blaming everyone but themselves.

Also, GTA series rocks! Love GTAIII, especially when you steal a mafia car, then theyn start shooting, go flying past a couple cops, they start chasing, then crash into a taxi, run away, the car blows up, bye bye cops.

Made by scumbags for scumbags.



[Edited on 27-12-2002 by Toltec]

Toltec,

It's called...a game. And I don't appreciate being called a scumbag based on the kind's of games I like. Think before you post stupid # like that.

The only difference between games and reality James is you can turn off a Game.

The game sucks and those who promote it by puchasing it are closet socio-paths.

That is my opinion and its not stupid

Toltec,

Actually, your opinion is stupid. It show's no direct knowledge of what an individual is like that actually play's these game's. I play them, I enjoy them, and yet, I'm normal. I'm not a sociopath. I'm not a clepto. I don't rape little boy's like some preist's I could name off now... I've already been in a heated debate before about this someplace else... The other guy lost.

OHHHH I am so scared

Its my opinion James and quite frankly could care less about what you think in relation to the issue.

Toltec,

Personally, I think it is stupid and ignorant of someone when they think someone is a certain way based upon someone's particular like's. You obviously don't know what your talking about.

And FYI, what I said wasn't a threat...I was just relating what the outcome was.

Call it a pet peeve but those games...

Never thought you were threatening me

My most recent computer came with a copy of doom I erased it. I am not against aggressive games I have some flight simulators like Hellbender, all the Descent Series, Ultra-fighters as well as Diablo and The Airborne Invasion of Normandy.

Not sure where you grew up James but I grew in Chicago there was this 12-year-old boy who was a friend of mine (when I was the same age). One day was walking with my father in the direction of my friend�s house. He came out and saw me and waved. I asked my father if I could go talk to him and so we were walking in that direction. A car pulled up they apparently asked him if he was a "Latin King" which is a Puerto Rican street gang in that city. He really was not but because those in the car were from a rival gang, he decided to play tough and say he was. He was shot at point blank range with a 12-gage shotgun.

Tell me James how many points in your game for doing that???

Toltec,

I'm sorry to hear that... But, doom is a game. A classic one at that. It has no impact on real life event's. I could shoot everything there in that game, but my family and friend's won't be dead because of it.

I know some people like to blame game's, movie's, and television for all the violence in the world, but this isn't the case. Before television and computer chip's, what was the cause for violence then? Sure as hell wasn't doom. Why was there a crusade? Maybe the early christian's got a copy of doom from the future? You can't pin violence on this stuff, since the violence was there way before all this. Look at the parent's. The enviroment. Thing's like that. The same thing's that affected people before computer's and television. I can tell you 100% sure, that I am not a violent scumbag because I play GTA III or Doom, or because I watch violent movies and television show's. My wife and children will tell you the same thing. Unless you know what people are like, based on what they like, your opinion on the matter is worth less than two #s. Live with it.

You don't have to bring priest into everything do you?

Ok, ill have to agree with james on this one and toltec.

If one of the age choises to play a video game, it should not cause jdgement on
his life and what he will do.

Ive played these games myself and my brother owns one of these things, they are sick, nasty, violent games and if
in the hands of young kids could be devistating withot any guidence.

I would prefer to remove your self from those (kind) of games just because of the nature of them, but
playing them does not mean a man wil ultimatically become evil.

my brother had those kind of games and he never kills anyone and it has no affect on him then
a rather boring boast of rush for violence.

Those kind of games can only lead to more evil thoughts which ultimately come from satan.


peace.

James I asked a question how many points for killing a 12 year of child?

Its not the idea that games or anything else promote violence. These games do not promote violence in the same way that any other medium presents. Its nothing but wanton killing for no other reason besides getting points. Beyond that there is no other apparent purpose.

James my opinion is worth $100per hour what yours worth? Would you like my opinion on that

Doom does not have an apparent story line (in the game) when you load it. It offers a setup screen and start from there you kill everything that stands in your way (which is any character you see).

It promotes violence for its own sake nothing else is implied or suggested, which means killing for no other reason except to kill. What real restrictions exist in relation to a 9 year old gaining access to these games?

I am not trying to imply that by playing these games a person will automatically act out as a result. But what I am suggesting is that presenting the implication that killing for its own sake can provide positive reinforcement does have consequences.

Exactly what type of guidance every year in this country
27 out of 100 murders that occur in this country result in a conviction. The rest are either unsolved or potential suspects never make it to jail.

People get away with murder every day and these games present that reality potentially bringing up the stakes.

James I do not have to use insults to get my point across.

Remember that show Heehaw????
The cartoon picture of the animal they used
all the time?

Definitely something you emulate

[Edited on 27-12-2002 by Toltec]

Originally posted by JamesG
Toltec,

I don't rape little boy's like some preist's I could name off now

James, do you know how to do a post who don't have any religious references ?

And I agree with Toltec.These kinds of games are dangerous for youth. These games should be banned FOR EVER, and if you do one, it's the jail !

These sony guys are not stupids, they know what they do.So, they should be all send in jail for a long time.

We can see violence everytime and eveywhere. In the tv news, newspapers, radio, and now, in games. But violence is NOT a game or an entertainment. Just look what's Nyeff wrote about his son and his buddies. Don't you see that there is a big problem ?

P.S : When I write " I agree with Toltec, I don't mean that you are a scumbag "

You guy's seem to have a big problem with discerning reality from fantasy then. A game is a game. Even a child knows that after they turn the damn thing off. And yes, Doom does have a story line. GTA III has a story line. Vice city, yup... a story line.

I am sorry that youdon't understand, game's dont' kill, television don't kill, movies don't kill, pornography don't kill, etc.... People have been killing well before these thing's. So what was the excuse back then? Please answer me this...

Yes, James but they cause young kids to kill.

I think that this issue has more to do with the fact of killing OURselves. On the inside. All those things that you listed James DOES kill you. It rots your soul and eats away at your spirit. Just take a look at the TV, all these music videos, all having to do with the material chase, "Gotta get the cash, cars, jewellry and pussy'. This stuff isnt real, its all fake. They are there and we can SEE it but it isnt 'real'. So we play a video game. It is another world, but if we lose our sense of 'reality', our sense of reasoning, then what's the difference between this and that one? I think that children (1-3yrs) have a better grip on reality than teens or most adults do. Then, once we lose our 'self' thats when we can do things that just a couple of days ago, couldnt even think of. Yes it could cause people to kill, but its just ONE of the many things that can turn Mr. Rogers, into a serial killer which our sick society has to offer.
And to toltec this goes to you. Now you may be some glorious psychiatrist (or whatever, i dont care exactly) who probably makes more than all of these members put together including me, doesnt mean that your opinion is valued over others. I respect your opinion as well, but i wont put yours over anybody else's just because the degree on your wall says Phd. Even if my assumptions arent true about you, u get what im sayin. I hope i knocked you down some steps of that ego trip? lol.
peace.

Jedi,

Name ONE case where a death is caused by a game. Just ONE. Kids have been killing before these game's were out, so games is NOT the issue. You people seem to forget that.

Menendez(sp?) brothers killed their dad, did they play violent games or watch violent movies? No. So don't blame the game.

Who lets a nine year old play the game? The parent. Who buys it for them? The parent. Who doesn't teach them that it fantasy and not real? The parent. Who didn't teach that going out and killing people is wrong? The parent. Who says it video games and tv and school fault? The parents.

In other words, parents blame everything but the real reason, them. If they didn't leave it to the schools to teach morals, maybe the kid would learn them. If parents thought that the game wrong, then buy it for their kid, obviously they can't feel to strong about it.

Reminds me of Columbine parents. Blame Marylin Manson, tv, movies, school. The real reason? First, bullying, but they put up with that for a long time, nothing new. Second, guess who started beating their kids when the kids did something wrong because now the kids were old enough to understand why they were being beaten? The parents of the kids who went nuts. Now, who's fault is it? If not a parent, the parents. If a parent, it obviously the schools fault, then MM, then tv.

People, I played violent video games, and I don't go out and shoot people up. Also, with the gangster shooting, I doubt those gangsters are like that because they played violent video games. They probably like that because of the enviroment they live in and how they were raised. In other words, the parents fault. And how many points? Don't really get points, just complete missions, get better stuff, and so forth.

Know what JamesG? It people like Mr. President, toltec, and so forth that play violent video games, don't realise it fake, a game, and go out and shoot people. They can't get it through their heads that it fake! A game, nothing more. It is those people who either go out and kill others after playing it, or decide if they can't understand it, it bad and should be banned. Don't see these people trying to ban cigarettes or alchohol, things that DO kill, because they understand those. Put cyanide/ammonia/niccotine/other posions to lips, set it on fire, breath in, breath out. Or, take posion, put to lips, swallow.

But a game? D@mn it, why did I just do that? No, turn around, punch, no punch, D@mn it, take the, NO, duck, run, no run, AHHH!! Thats it, this game is to violent, I just smashed my tv, ban it!!!!

JTL,

It's usually the one's who have problem's dicerning(SP?) reality from fantasy, that have problem's with these thing's. The last argument I had with someone, the guy turned out to be a real nutcase. He fought with me so much, and it the end...turned out, he enjoyed the same damn thing