Where has all the music gone?

Originally posted by watcheroftheskies
king crimson
pink floyd
Early genesis with peter gabriel
Gentle giant
emerson lake and palmer
The beatles
yes
the velvet underground
the moody blues
led zep
crosby stills and nash
greatful dead
bob marley
the doors
jefferson airplane
santanna

Watcher, we have the same taste in music...
Great bands I have seen:
Blondie
Talking heads
television
richard hell
ramones
(saw all of the above before they got real
famous - I used to sneak into CBGB's with
fake ID when I was 15-16 yrs old - looked
like a 30 y.o. biker so it wasn't hard

Also have seen the Dead over 200 times
(so THAT"S what I did from 1982-1986 -
i'd forgotton:lol

One of my favorite concerts ever:
Return to Forever renunion in 1986
(Al Dimeola, Stanley Clarke, Chick Corea
& Lenny White - amazing!!)

+ so many more (many dylan, Jorma, et al...

Originally posted by intrepid
Anyone there that remembers Don Kirshner's Rock Concert?

I do!! (raising my OLD hand)

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

Originally posted by Agent47
credit would go to When the Levee Breaks.

I wonder if any Zep fans think Stairway is their best work.
I personally think their first album is their best work.

I second that opinion!!!

Originally posted by StarChild
Obviously you don't listen to death metal, scream metal, or heavy metal, because you wouldn't have posted this thread. There is plenty of music out there that addresses the same things we discuss on ATS. It just isn't mainstream, that's all.Mr. M

While there may be music out there that caters to the ideas many express on ATS/BTS, my original post questions where all the talent has gone. Even genres that we don't listen to or care about seem to be devoid of talent.

BTW, good music should be easily accessible and free.

quote: "BTW: Rap is OK, hpi hop is crap"

i might be the only defender of "hip hop" here, but somebody's gotta do it. i dont know what most people think hip hop is, but i have a feeling most are confused. hip hop is many things and to understand hip hop you have to do more than turn on the TV. Hip hop is a culture, a global culture at that. hip hop INCLUDES, but is not only what you find on MTV. I think one of the underlying themes behind hip hop, and its undertakers, is that hip hop is for everyone; even those who want to use hip hop as a soapbox, or a means to get a quick 15 minutes of fame and a lot of bank. Hip hop is for both the poet, and the salesman. Need i explain that hip hop was born in New York city, by urban ppl simply having fun. It wasnt out to get money, to promote violence, vulgar language or any of that. it started as just some ppl having fun. "rap" music might the most recognized part of hip hop; but is not the only part. breakdancing, graffiti, and deejaying are the other parts. hip hop is more than music. music is heavily involved, but theres more to it. you cannot fairly compare the musical quality of Rap to other forms of music because they are completely different. Rap doesnt care if it looks inferior in complexity to other musical genres. Thats not what its about. Rap is first and formost about LYRICS. everything else is secondary. So it doesnt matter if the instrumental is just a loop, because really most rappers could care less. Now the "rap" you see on TV is not about lyrics. Its about money, and thats why i dont really pay attention. Hip hop, because of its lack of rules has generated a lot of garbage into our music industry, but only because the masses gobble it up, IT MAKES MONEY!!!. those same lack of rules however have led real artists to make some really amazing art that falls under "hip hop" -now of course, you probably wont find any of these artists on MTV, because MTV is all about money - not art. im beating a dead horse. bottom line, there is quality music out there that falls under hip hop. Feel free to U2U me if you would like to know more.

When i read statements like "BTW: Rap is OK, hip hop is crap" i am bothered, because 1. its just an uneducated opinion, and 2. it contradicts itself

-lost

unfortunateluy in this day in age the music industry primarily consists of big corporations that could give a rats ass about the quality of the music just as long as it sells. granted once in a while you'll have a mainstream artist that is actually talented and has an original style, but unfortunately once that artist is actually selling units, you have 20 other artists getting singed that sound almost exactly the same.

DrStupid,

CBGB's you and me both! I used to sneak in there all the time in the late 80's. I never got id'd though.

Those days are long gone. A 17 year old with no ID has a snowball's chance in hell to get in there now.

I wonder if anyone saw "American Idol," Monday night. It was all covers, no one was allowed to do any original tunes. The only person who was in any way "original," was the red headed guy who was trying to do the Sinatra thing. They said it was "soul night," or something. As a Hawaii guy, I am glad Jasmine did well, although I am not into the genre of the produced approach. When is someone actually going to play an instrument in this show?

I remember when the "Monkees," played their first concert in Hawaii, allegedly they had a real band underneath the stage, since they couldn't play their instruments. Another side tidbit is that Steven Stills would have been a "Monkee," except he had "bad teeth." All these silly judgments on who is really a muscian can get ridiculous.

Where has the music gone? I am not entirely sure, but maybe there's a secret to the Beatles, play long hours in a dank nightclub in another town or city, and later hook up with a guy who normally produces symphonies. Then you get some Pyramid Guitar strings tuning up properly. The Maestro must have insisted, George Martin that is.

Unfortunately the promo people and producers haven't really got a clue these days, not to mention any notion of what pleasing tones really consist. It is not just "test marketing," and what the final judge says, it is what people really want.

[Edited on 18-3-2004 by SkipShipman]

Rap and hip hop are not the same,
Rap, as far as I go, is decent, hip hop and gangsta rap are more similar than rap and hip hop, I am not a fan of rap, but at least it isn't all "f**kin' ma bit*h an' i'll still pop a cap in yo ass", I hate that stuff.

My favorite song as of today is by a new band called- No Doubt ....Its my Life. I just gotta learn that bass line soon as I can get the cd. They're sold out. I love CDs they are usaually in tune and you can play right along with them .

Originally posted by TgSoe
My favorite song as of today is by a new band called- No Doubt ....Its my Life. I just gotta learn that bass line soon as I can get the cd. They're sold out. I love CDs they are usaually in tune and you can play right along with them .

No doubt is a good band, but they are far from new. They have been around since 1987. They released their first commercial hit 'tragic kingdom' in 1996. In my opinion the older stuff is better......tragic kingdom and before. I think they are still classified as a ska band, which is wrong. They are about as ska as madonna.
...Still pretty good though. 'Its my life' is a cover of a song that was originally done by an 80's band called Talk Talk.

Originally posted by DjNothing

Originally posted by TgSoe
My favorite song as of today is by a new band called- No Doubt ....Its my Life. I just gotta learn that bass line soon as I can get the cd. They're sold out. I love CDs they are usaually in tune and you can play right along with them .

No doubt is a good band, but they are far from new. They have been around since 1987. They released their first commercial hit 'tragic kingdom' in 1996. In my opinion the older stuff is better......tragic kingdom and before. I think they are still classified as a ska band, which is wrong. They are about as ska as madonna.

...Still pretty good though. 'Its my life' is a cover of a song that was originally done by an 80's band called Talk Talk.

Thanmks for the clarification. I don't buy but about two CDs a year and that will be one of them.

Originally posted by SkipShipman

Unfortunately the promo people and producers haven't really got a clue these days, not to mention any notion of what pleasing tones really consist. It is not just "test marketing," and what the final judge says, it is what people really want.

[Edited on 18-3-2004 by SkipShipman]

Actually, I don't think it is what people want. I think it is what people are given. Mindless, tuneless, talentless "sfot" rock, Britney, Kid Rock, etal.
You should be able to listen to good music on the radio. You shouldn't have to download from the internet, but internet radio or digital cable.
The promo and producers follow orders: formula music. If that's all that is out there. (some) people will buy it. Sounds like a low-overhead propostion to me!

Originally posted by Facefirst
DrStupid,

CBGB's you and me both! I used to sneak in there all the time in the late 80's. I never got id'd though.

Those days are long gone. A 17 year old with no ID has a snowball's chance in hell to get in there now.

except that I used to sneak in in the late '70's...

Originally posted by DrStupid

Originally posted by Facefirst
DrStupid,

CBGB's you and me both! I used to sneak in there all the time in the late 80's. I never got id'd though.

Those days are long gone. A 17 year old with no ID has a snowball's chance in hell to get in there now.

except that I used to sneak in in the late '70's...

And I used to gig there!

Hey Hey My My Rock and Roll will never Die

I just come back to those words whenever I see a new mass produced POS video on MTV, Rock and Roll will never die, it will live on in peoples record collections or in Garages, or on stage.

Speaking of which I saw the Led Zep tribute band No Quarter this week.

You know what band my buddies got me into that I would have dismissed in my younger days? Iron Maiden, man good stuff.

Originally posted by Agent47
You know what band my buddies got me into that I would have dismissed in my younger days? Iron Maiden, man good stuff.

Maiden rules. Period.

I like Iron Maiden and some metal too, along with other stuff, but as others said, I cant stand that gangsta rap or hip-hop or whatever, just some of the things that the songs are about are so dumb......

I cant listen to rap, it makes my ears hurt, its not cause Im white either, its because I cant respect the music, but something like Fade to Black theres a piece of muscianship anyone can enjoy.