The Nibiru Myth

i agree there is no proof at this time ,but what is that saying ,an idea as an act becomes a fact.
you accept television because you see it,in the late 1800,s if someone had said that an invention would be made where you could see moving pictures on a screen with voices what would you have said, you are crazy ,lock him up he,s a loony. today is yesterdays future.
4000 years ago in the book of JOB (old testament) it states that the earth is an orb suspended on nothing, where did this info come from?because 3600 years roughly later i think it was galileo who said the earth is NOT flat as the churches insisted (remember they already had the most important book in the world which based their beliefs)but round and the earth goes around the sun.
you have choices you either believe or you don,t or undecided. I am hopeful for the simple reason is that a lot of effort has gone into writing the bible,the mayan history foretelling of the future,the sumerians, the egyptians who were so clever building the pyramids which we cannot duplicate.
people give opinions,not always true,but if someone makes a statement,others will try to disprove,and that is good,because most search for truth,and if you collect enough grains it elliminates grey matter and makes you wise.

After much investigation ive found there was another planet in our solar system very close to earth, References can be found in the bible,sumerian and other historical accounts about a star falling and crumbling, the disapearance of atlantis, noahs flood(which was also atlantis), Sodom and gomorha and fire from the sky. There was a bright blue planet that was covered in water. It was called the second sun, and known as lucifer among other things. But it was destroyed possibly by a comet, And it rained balls of fire and large asteroids down to earth, the water also came off and was turned into ice that ravaged our planet. Even today all thats left is the astroid belt and many of our meteors come from the astroid belt.
There is no nibiru just an already destroyed planet.

I think you'll find that the concept of a flat earth was not a widely accepted model at any point during history
Eratosthenes (276BC-194BC) calculated the world circumference to be approx 250,000 stadia (23,000 miles) which is pretty close to the actual figure of 24,900 miles.
That calculation was done by a Greek who based his calculations on a 500 mile walk, back when research meant something

Surprisingly, the Greeks didn't mention Nibiru either, and they loved the planets (which is a word of Greek origin meaning wandering/lost)

The Bible also states that the Earth is flat
Daniel 4:11
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth
...which goes to show that the Bible is always good for a contradiction

reply to post by 23Eulogy23

Never heard of this. Do you have a source?


[edit on 28-3-2008 by Mark Roazhar]

Awsome post! I love how you made the post, saying a myth, then a fact disproving it!

As much as I hate to admit it, I would love this planet x crap to be true.

But ya know what? IT ISNT! There just isn't enough evidence to convince me to be an advocate, becoming a PXer.

And like someone before me said, there is other more important things going on here, on this world, that require our attention. If there is such a planet, and it indeed cause us doom, we are screwed anyways! Let us try to make this place as good as we can make it until something REALLY bad that REALLY could happen, happens.

(steps off the soapbox)

Great post!! I hope that this may hush some of those far out theories about Planet X. I think everyone is just desperate for something catastrophic to occur in 2012 so that they can feel like there is something more out there than just us. Planet X is just another one of those hopes.

Only time will tell! Fall of 2009 will be the first sighting of this planet and by 2012 well should be in your face!

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I know you had the last question directed at the other guy, but I got curious and went on a search myself. Now I don't really believe all of this that I'm posting, just putting it here to show that I found something that might answer that question.

Noah's Flood, and several other happenings on Earth
were probably caused by the planet Mars. I agree with Donald Patten
that the orbit of Mars was different in the past.I think starting
in (?) BC until at least the 8th century BC Mars had a very
elliptical orbit. One end of its orbit was out near the orbit of the
asteroid belt and the other end of its orbit around the Sun was near
the orbit of the Earth. So I think Mars used to pass astronomically
close to the Earth periodically until as least the 8th century BC.

www.trustbible.com...

Aaand...I had another source but after going through that one a bit more, it just seems like the bible re-written on the internet so I won't post it.

Originally posted by Choronzon
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Which leaves you with no scientific basis for accreditation. Which means at that point you are realying on faith alone to pour a foundation for the myth.

I will definitely stand being corrected on this - certainly, but science does seems to state that there are more binary star systems than singular ones - in the observable universe.

So why be so harsh on faith?

I also add, the idea of Nibiru and a hypothetical return does not imply a human 'extinction' event.

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Thank you!

But what a horrible read! Not the story, but the mad erratic speculations!

I always though the Morning Star, or Venus as we call it, was the one referred to as Lucifer in older writings.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

 

EMM, do you think that Einstein and Newton are wrong? If so, please provide YOUR evidence, your math, your proofs to allow us to conclude that you are correct, and thousands of physicists are wrong.

Thanks!

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.space.com...

It is not healthy to go around challenging ideas as one does a hostile foe. Certainly Einstein and Newton etc would embrace alternative theories as they were intelligent and compassionate human beings attempting to promote truth and understanding for their fellow (wo)man.

When anomalies are encountered in applications directly related to their own contributions - I am fairly certain they and their like would approach such challenge with a little more humility.


[edit on 28-3-2008 by scrapple]

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Ugh, I must apologize then, When I had posted the link, the source (or url) slipped past me. I'm not sure if you and other people wanted science or basically using the bible to prove a point. Other than this, and a few other biblical places. The only other thing I found was comets, or asteroids possibly causing the flood. Could take some deep googling to try and find where that information came from.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Myth- Nibiru has a highly eliptical orbit and only reaches our solar sytem every 3600 years
Fact- According to astronomers, eliptical orbits are highly unstable. Chances are that if there was a planet in such an orbit would either revert to a circular orbit as it nears the sun, or fly off somewhere into space due to the distance from the sun

What about Eris? should that not have flown off or got pulled into a more circular orbit by now?

[edit on 28-3-2008 by mc1km]

Sitchen's Lost Book of Enki, certainly does some peotic justice to the myths included in the book of Genesis, however the book of Genesis is debunked time and time again and yet people believe it. Maybe Nibiru IS just simply our planet passing into the photon band in 2012 and will effect our consciousness brain wave patterns for the better. May give us a false hope, but we can hope for the best.. Who knows? As for the history of the world and mankind I am inclined to be more apt to believe the Urantia book than all the others. But then again, that was claimed to be channeled by a man of some alien intelligence possibly whether true or not we can only speculate....yet... some people out there believe that the right side of the brain could have such an imagination to write such a book and debunk the possibility that people can challenge the art of channeling a mamouth book as the Urantia too? Hard to say, some writers have also implied areas of the Bible's new testament were channeled staight from Jesus as well. Maybe the author of the Koran also channelled Archangel Gabriel as well...what was his name??? Mohommed? Hard to say. Very enlightening post. No real opinion here. Food for thought. "Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened to you." mattew????

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2012 Is also the time where we CROSS into the age of aquarius according to the Mayians I'm pretty sure.

I dont understand why this is in skunk works...

reply to post by Choronzon


illogical? you are basing a theory, and arguments for it using the current model are you not? for instance, the elliptical orbit. The model is by no means complete (IMO, way off aswell) yet people base their own conjecture (which they display as fact) using these models. You all talk as if people who believe in the 'Nibiru myth' are idiots and people who live in a dream world. Does it sound logical to you, basing a counter argument, on arguments that are yet to be substantiated? my only intention is to show you how ignorant this entire post is at the moment (some of the Nibiru threads have been similar in composition).

thanks. EMM

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
reply to post by Choronzon

 

illogical? you are basing a theory, and arguments for it using the current model are you not? for instance, the elliptical orbit. The model is by no means complete (IMO, way off aswell) yet people base their own conjecture (which they display as fact) using these models. You all talk as if people who believe in the 'Nibiru myth' are idiots and people who live in a dream world. Does it sound logical to you, basing a counter argument, on arguments that are yet to be substantiated? my only intention is to show you how ignorant this entire post is at the moment (some of the Nibiru threads have been similar in composition).

thanks. EMM

Honestly, I don't understand hat you are saying here. Who cares if the orbit is elliptical or not? Nobody can say for sure either way, if we were to even assume that it does exist.

What I am saying to you, is that if you discredit astro-physics, (which you have already claimed we know nothing about our galaxy or science). Then you cannot use astro-physics in your supporting argument.

So the belief in Nibiru is purely faith based. There is no need for scientific explenation. Accept it for what it is.

The funniest bit about a supposed non-elliptical orbit, if thats what your suggesting maybe fact. Nibiru would NEVER get any closer to the sun or earth, it would remain at EXACTLY the same distance 100% of the time.

Because the earth's orbit is WAY to small to approach Nibiru, Nibiru would HAVE to have an elliptical orbit to approach earth.

The heart of the Nibiru supporting argument is that Nibiru IS IN FACT approaching earth. So is Nibiru Approaching earth or not?

If Nibiru is approaching earth, you cannot say it does NOT have an elliptical orbit.....

[edit on 3/28/2008 by Choronzon]

Thank you OzWeatherman for your insightful and intelligent words on this subject. I don't think I have yet seen someone debate this thoughtfully yet, as you have done.

Personally, I like to talk about things like this... but I hardly ever truly believe them.

I always had trouble understanding how people could live on, or near for that matter, to a brown dwarf.

Now maybe you could debunk Mission Enterprise next!!!

Great article and thanks again!

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I'd forgotten about that film! Although am I right in remembering that the planet came from outside the solar system?

In any case, it means we can, at best, trace the idea back to a 1930s sci fi book. I guess in 50 years time we'll all be worrying about the imminent return of Lord Voldemort .......