I'm Tired of people dissrespecting our troops!

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Originally posted by bakednutz
It was not the troops decision to invade Iraq and they have a duty to follow orders.

Let us talk about "duty," shall we?

It is the DUTY of every man who puts on a uniform and picks up a gun to use his position to protect innocent lives!

It is the duty of every American Soldier to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against ALL ENEMIES, even if those enemies are calling the shots.

It is the DUTY of all men and women to protect ALL innocent peoples, be they American or Iraqi, white or brown, young or old.

And if you feel like it is YOUR DUTY to support the troops no matter what, then support this trooper when he says enough death, enough anguish, enough evil.


Put your bullet where your mouth is, friend. Go sign the dotted line, fight for what you believe in. When you come home you can cry on my shoulder, man, cause Ive been there too and dont feel right.

Cavscout,

I was very moved by your posts, but I feel like you are being way too hard on yourself.

You say yourself it was a choice between going or imprisonment and being labeled a traitor or deserter - so did you really have a choice?

I don't think soldiers bear the the kind of personal responsibility you suggest for the wars they fight. They bear personal responsibility for their conduct in those wars, certainly.

But people join the military thinking they are going to learn some skills, make some money, and defend their country. They don't think "hey I'm going to be a pawn in a war of aggression," at least not any I've talked to.

You did the job you signed up for, you didn't start the damn war.
At worst you are an unwilling accomplice to it.

You may feel you need forgiveness, well I don't think I am at all qualified to give it, but if that's what you want you certainly have mine. For whatever it's worth.

But I don't think you need it.
You did what you signed up to do, and now that you're back you're doing your duty as a citizen and speaking out about it.

I do not feel that you have done anything that requires forgiveness.





[edit on 3/7/08 by xmotex]

reply to post by xmotex


There is a school of thought (not mine) that says you should reap what you sow.

How does that affect your way of thinking..?

Originally posted by cavscout

Originally posted by bakednutz
It was not the troops decision to invade Iraq and they have a duty to follow orders.

Let us talk about "duty," shall we?

It is the DUTY of every man who puts on a uniform and picks up a gun to use his position to protect innocent lives!

It is the duty of every American Soldier to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against ALL ENEMIES, even if those enemies are calling the shots.

It is the DUTY of all men and women to protect ALL innocent peoples, be they American or Iraqi, white or brown, young or old.

And if you feel like it is YOUR DUTY to support the troops no matter what, then support this trooper when he says enough death, enough anguish, enough evil.


Put your bullet where your mouth is, friend. Go sign the dotted line, fight for what you believe in. When you come home you can cry on my shoulder, man, cause Ive been there too and dont feel right.

What? Why are you getting so defensive? I dont feel it is my duty to support the troops but I do support them. If you read the quote you used of mine it say it is their duty to follow orders. I dont understand what is wrong with that? What is this fight for what I believe in? All I said is I support the troops. I did not say I support the war, because I do not.


Take it easy.

Its really good to see everyones views and reasons for what they believe. It has given me a better understanding of why people say what they say, i never hated the people that have not supported the troops, just their view.

Like I said its great to see everyones different opinions and beliefs, thanks all ! =D but really some of the responses to what I said seem to be a bit hostile.

Letting you know I do not support the war and I do not agree with alot of what is going on, though I do think we need to support are troops they are doing a tough job weather they agree with it or not, there is not much they can do about it. they are bound by a contract they signed their life away giving the government the right to send them to war and kill them. Its rough and I do think we need to show them some support.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by Lowtoc]

I'm tired of troops marching off to war. I'm sick of it. Our troops should be defensive only and should be using their brains and muscle to repair our infrastructure and clean up pollution and generally make our country a better place to live. Construction not destruction.

In reply to stikkinikki I totally agree with that, we should be using our troops for the betterment of our society and eventually spreading to countries less fortunate. Instead though we are sending our young men and women to die thousands of miles away from their families.

The Holy Quran,
Surah Fussilat Verses 19-33

And (remember) the Day that the enemies of Allah will be gathered to the Fire, so they will be collected there (the first and the last).
20. Till, when they reach it (Hell-fire), their hearing (ears) and their eyes, and their skins will testify against them as to what they used to do.
21. And they will say to their skins, &amp;amp;quot;Why do you testify against us?&amp;amp;quot; They will say: &amp;amp;quot;Allah has caused us to speak, as He causes all things to speak, and He created you the first time, and to Him you are made to return.&amp;amp;quot;
22. And you have not been hiding against yourselves, lest your ears, and your eyes, and your skins testify against you, but you thought that Allah knew not much of what you were doing.
23. And that thought of yours which you thought about your Lord, has brought you to destruction, and you have become (this Day) of those utterly lost!
24. Then, if they have patience, yet the Fire will be a home for them, and if they beg for to be excused, yet they are not of those who will ever be excused.
25. And We have assigned them (devils) intimate companions (in this world), who have made fair-seeming to them, what was before them (evil deeds which they were doing in the present worldly life and disbelief in the Reckoning and the Resurrection, etc.) and what was behind them (denial of the matters in the coming life of the Hereafter as regards punishment or reward, etc.). And the Word (i.e. the torment) is justified against them as it was justified against those who were among the previous generations of jinns and men that had passed away before them. Indeed they (all) were the losers.
26. And those who disbelieve say: &amp;amp;quot;Listen not to this Qur'an and make noise in the midst of its (recitation) that you may overcome.&amp;amp;quot;
27. But surely, We shall cause those who disbelieve to taste a severe torment, and certainly, We shall requite them the worst of what they used to do.
28. That is the recompense of the enemies of Allah The Fire, therein will be for them the eternal home, a (deserving) recompense for that they used to deny Our Ayat(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).
29. And those who disbelieve will say: &amp;amp;quot;Our Lord! Show us those among jinns and men who led us astray, we shall crush them under our feet, so that they become the lowest.&amp;amp;quot;
30. Verily, those who say: &amp;amp;quot;Our Lord is Allah (Alone),&amp;amp;quot; and then they Istaqamu (stood firm in their deen) , on them the angels will descend (at the time of their death) (saying): &amp;amp;quot;Fear not, nor grieve! But receive the glad tidings of Paradise which you have been promised!
31. &amp;amp;quot;We have been your friends in the life of this world and are (so) in the Hereafter. Therein you shall have (all) that your inner-selves desire, and therein you shall have (all) for which you ask for.
32. &amp;amp;quot;An entertainment from (Allah, the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.&amp;amp;quot;
33. And who is better in speech than he who [says: &amp;amp;quot;My Lord is Allah (believes in His Oneness),&amp;amp;quot; and then stands straight (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allah's (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: &amp;amp;quot;I am one of the
Muslims.&amp;amp;quot

Originally posted by xmotex
I'm against the war, not the soldiers who are simply doing their duty.

While acts of misconduct by the military in Iraq get a lot of attention on here, I know most of our soldiers there at least try to do the right thing. But it's hard in a place where your mission is a huge public farce, your supposed allies hate you almost as much as your enemies, and you're simply trying to survive and do your job in the midst of all kinds of horror.

And I think the lack of morale and confidence in the mission helps lead to the kind of misconduct we have seen.

I have recently made some friends around here who are USMC Iraq War combat vets - and I think they're the most anti-war people I know.

So one doesn't have to hate the warriors to hate the war.

Plenty of them hate the war too - and they have much better reasons to than us.

Unfortunately, it's very hard to balance disgust for the war, while still trying o maintain respect for the people who volunteered for it. We're entering hear seven of the "War on Terror." There are soldiers on the lines now who were just getting out of elementary school when we went to Afghanistan. And they still signed up for it.

I find it hard to respect that. I find it very hard. I try, but it gets more difficult with each passing day, month, year...

[edit on 13-3-2008 by TheWalkingFox]

The only reason the people "confuse" the issue of the military vs. war is because the president himself, the government, and their talking heads WANT you to beleive that not to beleive in war is siding WITH THE ENEMY.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

I'm bang against war,but I have respect for the poor people caught up in it. It's far too easy to judge the actions of another from my comfy,warm and safe home. They stepped up to what they believed is right. And no matter what my view of the situation,bottom line is I probably haven't got half the gusto these men and women have. And that I admire. (albeit from a very safe distance)

I've just never had the belief that fighting in a war is a good idea.Only if my home is invaded,will I take up arms. End of the day,if there's a problem,why can't the leaders just lock themselves in a room and talk it out. Why do they have to kill thousands and thousands and thousands of people,just because they dissagree. It's sensless and needless. And anyway,whilst our goverment lie to us about everything they can,and bleed us dry. i shant be fighting for them.