It's NOT sleep paralysis!

My name is Michael and I am sort of new to all of this so just bare with me, hopefully with your help this can be a successful thread. For the past few months I have done some personal research into the phenomenon of alien abductions and while I can't quite say I am an expert on the matter, I have been able to draw some fairly sound conclusions, some not so sound but all the while worth investigating, and am interested in certain patterns I have found, for instance: many of those who claim to have been abducted have coincidentally been known to have certain types of sleeping problems. This is purely from a neutral perspective and unlike some people, you know who you are, I do not dismiss those who claim to have had experiences by suggesting it is sleep paralysis or some other disorder that affects perception. In fact, I have read many accounts of those who have had experiences in the day and then somehow have had unexplainable fatique and certain other conditions following. I would like to investigate this further.


I am a firm believer and welcome those who are willing to share their stroies. Maybe then I can have some facts straight from those who have experienced it and be able to compare it with others.



[edit on 28-2-2008 by lundta99]

[edit on 28-2-2008 by lundta99]

Hello and welcome to ATS.

I agree, every skeptic jumps on a single explanation for any phenomenon. (Swamp gas, weather balloon, sleep paralysis, misidentified object, or simply your nuts.)

Although many strange phenomenon can be explained by simple means, not all can. If an explanation can't be found they make one up or just ignore the incident.

I have read countless abduction cases were the subject was awake and able to move freely, or even has been driving or sitting at there kitchen table in the middle of the day!

Those who do not believe are usually just scared of the truth. They simply can't handle living in a world of crashed UFOs, and little grey aliens abducting people. So without even realizing it there brains latch onto the first reasonable explanation and deny it. The poor bastards don't even know that their brains don't let them believe.

"The mind bends and twists in order to deal with the horrors of reality."

Now I do admit that in our times were even CNN braodcast about little grey dudes, abducting people, it is possible (and certanly does happen) that someone who is having sleep paralysis wakes up and thinks there being abducted. So there mind plays it out for them. This certanly does not mean we can dismiss all abduction, especialy since only a small percent fit this case type.

This line posted above hit me hard:

"The mind bends and twists in order to deal with the horrors of reality."

I experience very hard and vivid sleep paralysis which i have many of times gone into detail about here on ATS. I have always said there is a presence during these incidents.

That line hit me hard as 2 weeks ago on my last incident afterwards i knew there was more to what i could remember but somehow i had forgot it and then i realised that was probably why when during an incident of paralysis i lose concept of time and lose some time which cannot be explained.

I agree that in certain cases, perhaps most, the individual may have a legitimate condition. I am no doctor, but from what I have gathered there are certain conditions, such as CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) which sometimes plagues those unlucky enough to have it, with strange and sometimes frightening episodes of what appears to be sleep paralysis. To my knowledge CFS usually lasts no more than eight months and is not often contingent upon medical attention.
On the other hand, nothing relating to this condition could account for such phenomenon as missing time or even sometimes physical marks which somehow show up the morning after someone has had "sleep paralysis".
To me, aside from certain explainable events, the evidence for something different, something legitimately unexplainable is overwhelming.

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I find this whole "presence" phenomenon quite interesting. Many times people claim to awaken startled and feel the "presense" of something, be it a burglar or an otherworldly being in the room with them. In a lot of those same cases, a sense of danger has accompanied this. As much as I have read about and understood certain aspects of explainable medical conditions, this part was never quite clear to me. I have failed to satisfy my sense of logic as far as how sleep paralysis could cause this particular symptom, perhaps I have some more reading to do.

I would be interested in hearing more details regarding your experiences.


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Hi I used to get SP a few years ago, it started gradually then the visuals got more lively and it ended quite dramatically. Well.. I still notice it creeping up on me rarely when Im having a cat nap but Im so aware of it and that I hate the feeling I snap myself out of it.

I'l list some points then expand.

1. Doesn't matter what position I'm laying in, face up or down. Tho I think Im usually on my side or belly.

2. I hear and feel an electrical noise / vibration at the back of my head, it runs up my head and gets louder, its horrible and it seems to blow my ears with a loud painful crack.

3. The paralysis sets in.

4. My eyes are always closed, (I dont 'wake up paralyzed'.)

5. Im aware Im awake but not physically, in my visual space is blackness, fighting inside to breathe and move, Im aware if my friend is in the room if I happen to fall asleep while they are there.. and I want them to shake me awake but I can shout them..

6. feeling myself rocking inside my body, fighting to kick my legs and jolt me awake..

At which point I eventually awake nowadays before the 'monitoring presence' sets in and brings on the visuals.

When I first felt 'the monitor' I was in pitch darkness as it usually is, Im scared so 'I wonder' if its going to hurt me, its obviously not in a rush if it is. I can feel it moving around me.. or I imagine it is.

Note the electrical noise and vibration in my head gos away when the monitor sets in. Its similar to having a barbers electric shaver shave your head from back to front.. except the end part where it amplifies in my ears and hurts. But that was in the the 1st most severe attack I had, which I'l get to. Later.


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I always have the feeling that its brought on by somebodies advanced brain mind toys, frequencies and computers, whether its alien or military and for good or bad reasons, I dont know. But I thought my last experience was a pretty positive one, at the end.. tho I cant be certain either!


[edit on 12-3-2008 by P-a-r-a-d-o-X-2]

I think too many things are thrown together in the cases of abductions. I would not put Betty and Barney Hill in the same group as people who get abducted from their beds.

I mentionned in another thread that I've had almost every known sleeping disorder (except sleep paralysis) and probably some that are not really known. Very strange and scary things happen when you sleep (every single time you fall asleep, you hear someone calling your name). Incidently, napping during daytime will bring about the same weirdness. And I sometimes fall asleep at my desk while I'm working (it can be just a few seconds, but up to 10 minutes). Sometimes I'm not even aware I was asleep.

Because of all my experiences, I can easily see how some people can come to believe that they've been abducted.

I think that someone who believes that they have been abducted should go through a host of tests regarding sleeping disorders in order to find out if this may be what's behind it. It could either validate or invalidate sleeping disorders.

As someone else mentionned in another thread, most people who relate their experiences through hypnosis are hypnotized by amateurs.

I think the major problem with this sort of abduction phenomenon is that it hasn't been studied with the apropriate seriousness it deserves.

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