"alien" first encounter likely

I know, it's very obvious what he's saying. I just don't think we are so bad like he is saying when looking at what they might have done themselves. This is an obvious turn around on the blame. I'm just saying that they may be guilty of the same thing.

My father was at white sands about 5 years after the "event". And was part of the Post V2- guidance and recovery program (1947-1954).

The rosewell incident had nothing to do with their program. But it was a high priority event as a "special team" was sent out to clean up the mess. According to staff at the base that were there since rosewell.

Wright- Pat was the HQ of the US strategic air group during this time period.

There was a flight from White Sands to Wright Pat with some important people as well as several crates of "material", about three days after the reported incident.

During this time frame the US Goverment was working with "lost" technology for possible military application and were afraid of this information leaking to other nations.

There is a connection to Tesla with regards to the cover up.

Those are the "facts" that I am certain of.

The original notice given to the public over the Roswell crash stated that the saucer was being sent to Wright Field, Ohio. Which is Wright Patterson AFB now. So yes, its certainly fact.

www.blackvault.com...

Wow, holy, (C) check out page 27, through 57.

The above link is for page 57. if you jump back to page 27 and read forward it tells you what the army knows about UFO since 1947.

Okay this is crazy. The Russians, the Horten Bros from Germany.

There is a document from October of 1947 asking about investigations of ex Me and BMW workers with regards to UFO's

And on page 57 at the bottom, its obvious that the army is questioning people about something the size of a Constellation that can hover and is super quiet.

OH man. Can you say one big giant cover up ?

Originally posted by robertfenix
www.blackvault.com...

Wow, holy, (C) check out page 27, through 57.

The above link is for page 57. if you jump back to page 27 and read forward it tells you what the army knows about UFO since 1947.

Okay this is crazy. The Russians, the Horten Bros from Germany.

There is a document from October of 1947 asking about investigations of ex Me and BMW workers with regards to UFO's

And on page 57 at the bottom, its obvious that the army is questioning people about something the size of a Constellation that can hover and is super quiet.

OH man. Can you say one big giant cover up ?

Looks like a good link Still not sure about it; although, I will check the site out.

Here's the Majestic Documents if you or others don't know about them.

www.blackvault.com...

Check this out, this matches EXACTLY what the guy in Washington State saw when the term "flying saucer" was coined.

BEFORE the rosewell incident

has anyone ever considered the possiblity that alieans coulda visited the earth when there was no life on here at all. its likely that they did that, say that nothing was here, left and never returned

Originally posted by robertfenix
www.blackvault.com...

Check this out, this matches EXACTLY what the guy in Washington State saw when the term "flying saucer" was coined.

The Horten jet-powered flying wings are freakishly amazing for their time. Maybe there is some truth to the claim that the Germans were the first to have a program to back-engineer extraterrestrial technologies.

[Edited on 19-2-2004 by Condorcet]

The Me 262 was the first jet fighter sent into action and that was actually first tested in 1939,which shows how far Germany were ahead of everyone else in Aircraft design around the time of WWII.

The Horten brothers design was supposed to be a long distance bomber capable of dropping bombs over America and returning to Germany.It is speculated that some of these designs may have influenced developers for the B-2 Spirit.

There was a program about some of these aircraft that never flew on the Discovery channel recently.Some were very strange and may not have actually been any use,although some ideas were clearly years ahead of there time.

There's the theory that Kenneth Arnold witnessed captured German flying wings over the Cascades in '47. If so, why wouldn't the U.S. admit to it by now? Why haven't the planes turned up somewhere by now?
Why would they be flying them over dangerous mountains in an eschelon formation, without escort?

[Edited on 19-2-2004 by Condorcet]

Not sure, they only had a flight time of 35 minutes which means they had an operational radius of only 235 km. So that could put them inside of the Canadian Border somewhere.

Maybe they were Russian, maybe they were American. I am not sure.

They were developed by the Germans to be "interceptors" so I would not expect them to have escorts.

As well as I doubt there were as many actually there as the Ken guy claimed.

This was '47 and so (IF) they were some sort of American variant they could have been flying out of a Boeing research facility in the Washington or possibly Canadian area.

I have heard that Boeing has an experimental propulsion lab and has had it for some time. There have been many sightings of (UFO's) in the Oregon / Washington area and I imagine that a high percentage are X-Works projects headed by Boeing. I would not be surprised if the Big Black Delta, TR3B etc were actually a Boeing Advanaced Airship Concept, with some sort of unique propulsion system.

By they way the black vault link that I provided before has some documents that refer to one of the Horten Brothers prodigy's was working at Wright Pat just after the war. Yet the Army wa still investigating the whereabouts of the Horten Family in 47 and 48. Which leads me to believe that even the US Army did not have full disclosure with regards to advanced projects being conducted by either the Air Force or the OSO at the time.

Which is something that we have all speculated that there is a (Dark) organization that has superceded all other security levels with regard to "Advanced" technology.

The way I see it, we have two likely scenarios... Scenario A if they are hostile...Scenario B if they aren't...

Scenario A: Watch the movie Independence Day, minus the ludicrous idea of us coming up with a computer virus to save the day (hell, we can barely get Macs to talk to IBMs, let alone an alien computer system....)

Scenario B: Government announcement, with a landing near the White House. Long news specials devoted to interviews, etc. (see the miniseries V)...

But of course, there's always C...

Some guy gets his hands on a living EBE and manages to drag him to a respectable news outlet and show the world. But of course, it will be explained the next day as a joke, complete with the masks, and suits allegedly used, etc. to hush it up...

Originally posted by robertfenix
Okay here's what is going to happen.

A medium size "ship" will desend to Earth. Probably in the desert of the US.

It will open its "ramp" and out will come the voyager I & II space craft, various Russian Mars Probes, other bits of space crap that we have sent "out there".

It will send all this junk crashing to the ground from about 100 feet up.

Then hover for a minute or two and then take off exiting our atmosphere back into space.

That will probably be our first and last actual "real" encounter with an "alien" craft.

Besides the unmanned probes and other UFO "junk" that we have already recovered.

just my thoughts

You are talking about SPACE here, not a small wild life reserve. To think they would be "concerned" enough to fly back down JUST to give us back out probes for "littering" in space dosen't make alot of sense to me. (Unless the aliens are like me, and like throwing things from high places) Now them, using the map on the probe to help find us, makes a little more sense. Except I don't think voyager is even to the next star system yet.

If they're smart, they'll pass us by without a second thought...

You know what bothered me about the alien virus upload in Independence Day? The fact that they were in a hurry yet he included a graphic and a .wav file in the upload. And that's if you can ignore the whole "How the heck did he get an apple laptop to interface with a completely alien system" problem. For me, this was the second most annoying thing in the movie (the first being the "my fellow americans" speech which went on for far too long).

Anyhoo.

Thread jacking but who cares.

Yea, even though they had the "interceptor" I would imagine it would have taken YEARS to crack and then code up a virus on a previously unknown platform and code base.

WAY OUT THERE HOLLYWOOD STYLE.

Even the premise of them flying up to the mothership, cruising through the "dock" and flying up to a receptacle seems a little absurd.

You would think the alien bastards would have found this one inteceptor to be operating outside of its intended program and safe guarded their systems.

But hey that why its a movie.

Or the fact that this cable repairman takes about 20 minutes and figures out something that top scientists in the world's most top secret lab haven't been able to crack for over half a decade??? Who is this guy, Bob Lazar???

Originally posted by Zzub
One of the shorter works of fiction I've read. Are you building up to a leaflet, then a novella?

Seriously, get a life. Stop watching Startrek and go outside occasionally. There are no aliens, we are alone.

You are stupid for thinking that there aren't aliens and don't go to this blog if your not open minded toward the suject. In basic terms go away and don't insult anyone because it's rude and immature.
Thank you

Originally posted by robertfenix
Okay here's what is going to happen.

A medium size "ship" will desend to Earth. Probably in the desert of the US.

It will open its "ramp" and out will come the voyager I & II space craft, various Russian Mars Probes, other bits of space crap that we have sent "out there".

It will send all this junk crashing to the ground from about 100 feet up.

Then hover for a minute or two and then take off exiting our atmosphere back into space.

That will probably be our first and last actual "real" encounter with an "alien" craft.

Besides the unmanned probes and other UFO "junk" that we have already recovered.

just my thoughts

Where did you get this information?? Or is it your personal prediction?

Wow! thread ressurection!

Yeah some people need to be a little more open minded about the Alien Subject....

Independance day was idiotic alright, I don't know what was worse, Starship Troopers and having troops conquer the planet instead of bombing the crap out of it from orbit or with bombers or ID4 and the whole virus uploading thing...

Also, did anyone know that the USG asked the movie producers of ID4 to make up another place instead of A51? and if they did, the army would be "glad" to help them with their movie lol...