Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

La Nina is here and that is what is responsible for the dismally cold weather in much of America and Europe. Here's a Times story from September 24, 2007;

La Nina threatens to wreck world’s weather

Experts predict a run of severe weather in the coming months, with devastating floods striking some parts of the world while severe droughts afflict other regions, as the climate phenomenon known as La Niña gathers momentum.

A chronic drought afflicting southern California and many southeastern states of America could be exacerbated, with Los Angeles heading for its driest year on record. In contrast, western Canada and the northwestern US could turn colder and snowier. Mozambique, southeast Africa, and northern Brazil may face exceptionally heavy rains and floods, while southern Brazil and much of Argentina suffer drought.

La Niña could even rearrange the pattern of sea ice around the Antarctic, pushing the ice pack towards the Pacific side of the continent. Already, torrential rains have triggered severe floods across a huge swath of Central Africa, stretching from Senegal in the west to Uganda in the east.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Of course, saying Global Warming/Change is wrong is much more politically expedient in order to ridicule proponents of the unpopular legislation.

I understand that... really.

I am still waiting for the evidence that this isn't global warming (AKA climate change).

This doesn't make me change my mind at all that humans have affected the climate of this planet. It's what I believe is happening. Please feel free to try and change my mind but do it with proof, articles, videos..etc.

Tela

Originally posted by Perplexed


The real deal is we do know what the weather is doing... This is based on scientific fact... You may not know what the weather is doing but the world monitors show a cooling trend... Read the article or are you just responding based on how you "feel."

I'm replying based on what I live and breathe in my area. The entire east coast is WELL above normal in temps all winter and hardly any snow has fallen at all from Virginia to Delaware. My Dad lives in Gettsyburg, Pa. which almost always gets nailed by major snowstorms. This year: the same light dustings that we got. In fact his snow blower has pretty much sat idle for the past 3 years. It may be true that you people out west are getting hammered this year because I've seen the news feeds about all the storms, but I can assure you that we folks on the east coast are seeing temps well above normal this year and the last 2 or 3 as well. Making the claim that Al must be wrong based on a single year's worth of data is preposterous. At least he bases his views on decades worth of average data and doesn't make preposterous claims based on 1 years worth of data like the OP. I don't even know if I believe Al but I sure as heck can follow his logic a LOT better than this "so much for global warming" rant after a single harsh winter in some parts of the world.

reply to post by Perplexed

Hi Neighbor.

You must be younger than me. I remember growing up in the 70's freezing my butt off and there being snow from late October till Early/Mid March. There was almost always some snow on the ground the whole Winter, not like now where you get a warm snap to melt it.

And I do remember news reports claiming Global cooling and even colder weather comming was a possibility. My, how times change.





[edit on 27-2-2008 by pavil]

reply to post by Escrotumus


And we've had one of the coolest summers here in Australia. So what does that prove? Nothing.

Gore is a moronic stooge of the NWO and its about time people woke up to that fact.

That's my point exactly! Nobody knows what's happening. The OP suggesting that global warming is not happening after a single winter is just as preposterous as Gore saying that it is; more so in fact because at least Gore has decades worth of data backing up his claim. We are not capable of understanding the dynamics between the Earth and the Sun anyway. It is a dance that only those two orbital bodies can understand.

People are changing the environment a lot, with deforestation, burning fossil fuels, etc. It's pretty foolish to believe it has no effect on the climate. If climate change doesn't happen, it still makes sense to treat it as if it does, as it gives us sustainability. If what we do now doesn't negatively affect the climate, what we do a few years from now might. Putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la I can't hear you Al Gore la la" or saying he's an NWO stooge is, quite frankly, retarded.

reply to post by Telafree


Nobody is arguing that climate change isn't/doesn't happen. The cause of climate change, or what the climate change is(and means) is where the debate is. Additionally without knowing these things, making extreme policy decisions based upon alarmist views is imprudent.

reply to post by Escrotumus


Global warming is a religion of the far left and I do think people need something like this to latch onto to feel important or self righteous. My point is proven when some try to spin the idea that the cooling trend of the last 12 months is actually indicative of global warming...

The earth and its weather patters are too complicated for most scientists to figure out and some here worship Al Gore as the deity of global warming. Al Gore is an idiot and those that bow at his feet should be ashamed...

Global warming has wasted billions and put an undue burden on taxpayers who's governments fell for the carbon tax farce.

reply to post by Perplexed


It's not "global warming" but "climate change". And it's far from a religion. Whether our impact on the environment is causing the climate change we see or not doesn't really matter. We do know human activity is changing the environment, and not for the better, so it would make sense to try to figure out ways for us to screw it up less. We can't just keep doing what's cheapest and easiest, as that is by definition unsustainable and short-sighted at best.

It's easy to just demonise climate change by calling it a religion (and then mention something about Al Gore). It's a lot harder to come up with a decent reason why we shouldn't try to minimalise our impact on the earth.

reply to post by dave420


If you don't know what it is that is causing change though, your shooting wildly in the dark for solutions. Is the Earth warming, is it cooling, what is causing it, what if anything can be done, etc.. are the questions. Until there's a good answer, making rash economic decisions that aren't guaranteed to have any impact are premature. Obviously, we should be good stewards of our resources, and want to not pollute any more than absolutely necessary. Nobody wants dirty air or water, contaminated food, etc.. Calm heads are what is needed though, not Chicken Littles.

reply to post by dave420


The science supports human participation in the rise in CO2 in the atomosphere. CO2 in the atomosphere is dimming the amount of light energy we receive from the sun which artificially holds down the temperatures.

I really hope we (or the aliens ) have, or can invent, some sort of CO2 trap so we can keep the worst of the climate change from becoming too extreme. Then again Yellowstone volcano could errupt and make this all moot.

Originally posted by dave420
People are changing the environment a lot, with deforestation, burning fossil fuels, etc. It's pretty foolish to believe it has no effect on the climate. If climate change doesn't happen, it still makes sense to treat it as if it does, as it gives us sustainability. If what we do now doesn't negatively affect the climate, what we do a few years from now might. Putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la I can't hear you Al Gore la la" or saying he's an NWO stooge is, quite frankly, retarded.

Its one thing to have an understanding that what ever we do changes the environment. Heck, cutting the lawn changes the environment. Walking around the block changes the environment... Progress...

Yes, folks... Progress changes the environment. But is that change as damaging as Gore and his ilk would like you to believe? The far left hates progress and you don't get any further left than Al Gore and his worshipers.

Some here would like to enslave the entire human race based on what Al Gore says... Tax everyone because we are killing the earth.. Of course they have no proof we are doing anywhere near the damage they claim. I have a feeling that the earth will do just fine with or without us.

Al Gore is a NWO Stooge... He doesn't practice what he preaches... Have you looked at his "carbon foot print?" Give me a break.... By his standards he should be hung for "Earth Rights Violations." That's right... It's no longer human rights... We will do away with those in favor of "Earth Rights."

Global Warming is a dead stick... Don't try and spin it as climate change here. The issue is global warming and all those rode that train over the cliff need to just own it as opposed to playing the spin game.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

And what say you New Age Climate Protectors bout this little quote? Warming is actually a good thing. Its the cooling we should be worried about. The sky is indeed falling if we are cooling. Be sure to lose sleep over this one....

Some here say the debate has changed from Global Warming to Climate change yet the UN says it clearly in their report that the phrase is clearly Global Warming...

USA Today

The United Nations left out two statements that were suppose to be in the final draft of a paper on Global Warming.

1) “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases.”

2) “No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to man–made causes”

below are some good tips for those that are worried we are warming the planet... Brought to you by Global Warming Lies

"Ways to stop producing carbon dioxide (or in other words... stop Global Warming in its tracks...)

Stop breathing - When you exhale you release carbon dioxide

Dont drive - We all know how bad driving is

Don't live in a house/apartment/condo or any building that uses gas or electricity - Homes produce 2-3 times as much carbon as cars.

Don't wear shoes or any sort of clothing produced in a factory. Grow a cotton field and make your own clothes by hand.

Quit school - Those school buildings produce more carbon in a year then you do in 20 years.

Eat meat raw - Wether your using gas or electric both produce carbon dioxide.

Turn off this monitor and computer - You hypocrite.

Don't use toilets, urinate or poo in your back yard.- The water to your house is cleaned and sent to your house using pumps that use electricity.

Stop exercising - Increasing your heart rate increases the amount of oxygen you take in and turn into carbon dioxide.

Die - Dying younger means you will do all of the above less. Living one year less means you will save the earth 8.4 tons of carbon dioxide every year your not here!"

If your worried get started soon!

its called cause and effect


for millions of years
all the world has to deal with was animal gas..... and some fires. as well as normal naturzal events.

but then man comes along... burning everything we can get our hands on, Burn Burn Burn BABY burn. We have burnt so much elements that to say those elements we have burnt for so many years isnt doing something to our World would be a great example or not paing attention to history and our relations to this planet.

So with all our Trillion of product that release elements into the air, and all our Nuke testing, our chem testing, our medicines leaking into rivers, our chem plants leaking into riviers, I mean I can go on an on an on an on an on.


So am I to get this right by saying most of the world thinks our planet can just recycle the Garbage we leave on it? No one hear read the Sarindibity books when they were little? they have a book that was about this race of people who kept poluuting and leaving garbage all over their land an then one day they all got sick an theyre sun wasnt shining an it was dark an cold, they had to move becuz they destroyed their planet. but it was a kids book an all they really did was cleaned up the trash an theyre world went back to normal.

We dont live in books we live in the real world that is effect by us.

Originally posted by stikkinikki
reply to post by dave420

 

The science supports human participation in the rise in CO2 in the atomosphere. CO2 in the atomosphere is dimming the amount of light energy we receive from the sun which artificially holds down the temperatures.

I thought CO2 was absorbing radiation and holding in heat. Now it's decided to block radiation?

Oh, wait, I get it... CO2 makes whatever some silly human in DC or the UN says, worse! Ah... and here all this time I thought it was a molecule of gas that had existed in the atmosphere as long as life on earth. Silly me.

Time to wake up. And raising taxes still has no effect on CO2 concentrations.

TheRedneck

Here we go:

NWO Guy: Hey this place is strating to get messy around here on the planet.

Other NWO Guy: We should clean this place up.

NWO Guy: You right but how?

Other NWO Guy: I know lets concoct a story that the Earth is going to die if the people(ooops I mean Sheeple) of the world don't start cleaning up.

NWO Guy: Hey thats good....they can clean up the mess and we can tax the s&*t out of them and create all sorts of new regulations,etc.that will generate lots of money for us.

Other NWO Guy: I'M glad we had this talk.

NWO Guy: me to......lets get the ball rolling on this......um let me get my secretary to call Al Gore.....he will be a great spokesman for this.He has nothing better to do since we took the election from him....lol....lol.

Other NWO Guy: lol.....lol....lol... good one Biff....ooops sorry.


Does this sound about right?

[edit on 28-2-2008 by CaptGizmo]

Originally posted by stikkinikki
The science supports human participation in the rise in CO2 in the atomosphere. CO2 in the atomosphere is dimming the amount of light energy we receive from the sun which artificially holds down the temperatures.

Really? What about during the period from around 1930 to 1974? WWII and after. More cars, more factories, more pollution, more C02. Yet, curiously, there was a slight recorded drop in temperatures. How do you figure that?

No, I think it's best to not make any particular legislation until we get a better understanding of what's going on. What if we all got together in an effort to "reduce" global warming, whether we were responsible for it or not, and then we get hit by a cold snap caused by a solar radiation fluctuation that otherwise would have just blown over, but thanks to our efforts instead plunges us into another minor Ice Age? Oopsy daisy!

The climate change alarmists will never give up their religion regardless of what the science shows. Several times I have suggested that they will end up with egg on their faces in a few years. A few more years worth of global cooling and you won't even be able to find anyone who believed in global warming.....