Just some questions about 9/11 and Saddam.

Ok, yes we have beaten to death saddams involvement with 9/11 But what if he didnt have any involvement except in reguards to knowing all of what happened.....

Did we goto War to Stop him from telling the truth? Did He know about what really happened and was going to state as much in efforts to have the people of America to react?

These are just honest questions, in a conspiracy aspect, I mean was it Oil, Was it Him being a Dictator, Him being a Mass Murderer, Or was it that he knew most if not all of what happened.....

I mean We seemed pretty Sure He had WMDs, But we have only seen him have the Nerve gas and Chems that he has had since the 80's?

Of course I dont have Military Intel on what all the deal was, But thats why Im posting here, Lets see if we can tie Saddam to the 9/11 hijackers or even if Saddam Would be Privy to such info.

Delete this if its not in the right area, Or already been discussed either or, I would like to talk more about this aspect of things.....

An By all means Lets keep this a Humane, and Intelectual Conversation Full of Respect and Courtesy to our fellow members, We are all Human Afterall.

There has NEVER been a link proven between Saddam Hussein and the 911 inside job. EVER.

The chemical weapons you speak of were sold to him by the Bush Snr/Rumsfield - French in the early 80s. So technically they are to blame for those "WMD" (if that's what they believe they were).

The reason is the Bush-Neocon-illuminati empire needs to expand its control in areas all over the planet, so that their NWO agenda can be completed.

One should also study the historic significance of Iraq and what 'other' interests are there for the above mentioned neocon scum.

I also have serious doubt the "Saddam" you saw hanged on a mobile phone video was not only fake, but the real Saddam is probably alive and well, living in the White House playing canasta with Georgie Boy.

Nothing you see in the media is real. One day if a free, intelligent, investigative media is released to the genral public we will all be the wiser. There are independent reporters out there on the net though. Thank god.

watchZEITGEISTnow

Sigh.

First, the US did not sell chemical weapons to Saddam. He was sold LEGITIMATE items, that Saddam perverted into weapons. Unless you want to declare that every nation that sells pesiticides/herbicides are selling chemical weapons. Because thats what chemical weapons start out as.

Second, Saddam's connection to 9/11.....will most likely never be proven. However, we do have some evidence of at least he had knowledge of the plan.

1. Czech intelligence to this day, still insists that Mohammed Atta was meeting with an Iraqi official in Prague.

2. Reports of several of the 9/11 terrorists cycling through Salmon Pak.

3. Salmon Pak was a terrorist training camp outside Baghdad.

4. Abu Nidal, was reportedly an instructor at Salmon Pak. His specialty (for those of you who do not remember the 70s-80s) was hijacking airliners. (Hmmmmmmmm.....)

5. When the United States started making serious noises about removing Saddam from power, Abu Nidal was executed. (Dead men tell no tales)

Granted, little hard evidence exists, but there is enough circumstantial evidence that at least one judge has ruled that Saddam was connected to 9/11.

Can you name that one judge for us Swampfox? Just curious, and while your at it, what were the outlines of the case that was being reviewed/tried?

Oil is the simplest answer to why Iraq was chosen to be invaded. Don't get me wrong, I buy oil and gasoline and plastic and anything else thats made with petroleum, but the reasons given for the invasion and subsequent occupation are full of holes and leaking like a slashed tire.

Sure thing

www.cbsnews.com...

We invaded Iraq because we were no longer able or willing to take the chance Saddam would not start giving chem/bio weapons to terrorists.

I thought it was because Saddam was still wearing Parachute pants......


Honestly, I think saddam knew information that made him a very big threat to america, or at least american government, and thats why he was removed, I honestly dont know if hes dead or not, Ive seen x files too and still think UFOs are real

"So here we are, chipping away at iraq's problems with a plastic spoon against a Steel wall."



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OK, I'm more curious, what was this "evidence, thou meager" of Saddams involvement?

And please no links to the Czeq story, what evidence was presented at trial. Two days and a 100 million dollar judgement, all I can say is WOW.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
We invaded Iraq because we were no longer able or willing to take the chance Saddam would not start giving chem/bio weapons to terrorists.

You mean like anthrax? We all remember the attacks shortly after 911, ever look into that one Swampfox46?

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow

The chemical weapons you speak of were sold to him by the Bush Snr/Rumsfield - French in the early 80s. So technically they are to blame for those "WMD" (if that's what they believe they were).

Reputable link please?

I've read that the United States gave only .05% of the materials used for Iraq's WMD's, and that was given to the University of Baghdad.

reply to post by Trance Optic

Ok, yes we have beaten to death saddams involvement with 9/11 But what if he didnt have any involvement except in reguards to knowing all of what happened.....

I'm not aware of the US government linking Saddam to the attacks of September 11.

Did we goto War to Stop him from telling the truth? Did He know about what really happened and was going to state as much in efforts to have the people of America to react?

How could us going to war with Saddam prevent him from 'telling the truth'? It's not like it was a surprise. He had plenty of time to spill the beans before he was captured.

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And off on a tangent we go.......

Will add another line, so I dont lose 20 points for a one line answer...

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Sigh.
First, the US did not sell chemical weapons to Saddam. He was sold LEGITIMATE items, that Saddam perverted into weapons. Unless you want to declare that every nation that sells pesiticides/herbicides are selling chemical weapons. Because thats what chemical weapons start out as.

Sigh, sigh. me oh my . . .

www.counterpunch.org...

According to William Blum, writing in the August 1998 issue of the Progressive, Sam Gejdenson, chairperson of a Congressional subcommittee investigating US exports to Iraq, disclosed that from 1985 until 1990 "the US government approved 771 licenses [only 39 were rejected] for the export to Iraq of $1.5 billion worth of biological agents and high-tech equipment with military application ...

"The US spent virtually an entire decade making sure that Saddam Hussein had almost whatever he wanted... US export control policy was directed by US foreign policy as formulated by the State Department, and it was US foreign policy to assist the regime of Saddam Hussein."

A 1994 US Senate report revealed that US companies were licenced by the commerce department to export a "witch's brew" of biological and chemical materials, including bacillus anthracis (which causes anthrax) and clostridium botulinum (the source of botulism). The American Type Culture Collection made 70 shipments of the anthrax bug and other pathogenic agents.

The report also noted that US exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare facilities and chemical warhead filling equipment. US firms supplied advanced and specialised computers, lasers, testing and analysing equipment. Among the better-known companies were Hewlett Packard, Unisys, Data General and Honeywell.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Sigh.

1. Czech intelligence to this day, still insists that Mohammed Atta was meeting with an Iraqi official in Prague.

Yawn . . .

www.redstate.com...

This meeting was discounted on the strength of Atta’s cell phone being used on April 6, 9, 10, and 11 and an ATM photo on April 11… and the fact that they can’t find a record that Atta bought plane tickets with presumably any of the 63 drivers licenses the hijackers possessed.

en.wikipedia.org...

In the months following the September 11th attacks, officials at the Czech Interior Ministry asserted that Atta made a trip to Prague on April 8, 2001 to meet with an Iraqi intelligence agent named Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani. This piece of information was passed on to the FBI as "unevaluated raw intelligence".[71]. Intelligence officials have concluded that such a meeting did not occur. A Pakistani businessman named Mohammed had come to Prague from Saudi Arabia on May 31, 2000, with this second Atta possibly contributing to confusion. The Egyptian Mohamed Atta came arrived at the Florenc bus terminal in Prague, from Germany, on June 2, 2000. He left Prague the next day, flying on Czech Airlines to Newark, New Jersey. In the Czech Republic, some intelligence officials say the source of the purported meeting was an Arab informant who approached the Czech intelligence service with his sighting of Atta only after Atta's photograph had appeared in newspapers all over the world. U.S. and Czech intelligence officials have since concluded that the person seen with al-Ani, was mistakenly identified as Atta, and the consensus of investigators has concluded that Atta never attended a meeting in Prague.[72][73]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Sigh. . . .
2. Reports of several of the 9/11 terrorists cycling through Salmon Pak.

3. Salmon Pak was a terrorist training camp outside Baghdad.

The whole Salmon Pak thing is very tenuous. There is much more hard evidence linking Dick Cheney to the attacks than Salmon Pak.

www.samizdata.net...

Well from what I understand Salman Pak is rather boring. According to Seymour Hersh:

Almost immediately after September 11th, the I.N.C. began to publicize the stories of defectors who claimed that they had information connecting Iraq to the attacks. In an interview on October 14, 2001, conducted jointly by the Times and “Frontline,” the public-television program, Sabah Khodada, an Iraqi Army captain, said that the September 11th operation “was conducted by people who were trained by Saddam,” and that Iraq had a program to instruct terrorists in the art of hijacking. Another defector, who was identified only as a retired lieutenant general in the Iraqi intelligence service, said that in 2000 he witnessed Arab students being given lessons in hijacking on a Boeing 707 parked at an Iraqi training camp near the town of Salman Pak, south of Baghdad.

In separate interviews with me, however, a former C.I.A. station chief and a former military intelligence analyst said that the camp near Salman Pak had been built not for terrorism training but for counter-terrorism training. In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were routinely hijacking aircraft. In 1986, an Iraqi airliner was seized by pro-Iranian extremists and crashed, after a hand grenade was triggered, killing at least sixty-five people. (At the time, Iran and Iraq were at war, and America favored Iraq.) Iraq then sought assistance from the West, and got what it wanted from Britain’s MI6. The C.I.A. offered similar training in counter-terrorism throughout the Middle East. “We were helping our allies everywhere we had a liaison,” the former station chief told me. Inspectors recalled seeing the body of an airplane—which appeared to be used for counter-terrorism training—when they visited a biological-weapons facility near Salman Pak in 1991, ten years before September 11th. It is, of course, possible for such a camp to be converted from one purpose to another. The former C.I.A. official noted, however, that terrorists would not practice on airplanes in the open. “That’s Hollywood rinky-dink stuff,” the former agent said. “They train in basements. You don’t need a real airplane to practice hijacking. The 9/11 terrorists went to gyms. But to take one back you have to practice on the real thing.”

Salman Pak was overrun by American troops on April 6th. Apparently, neither the camp nor the former biological facility has yielded evidence to substantiate the claims made before the war.

We know that Iraqi intelligence operatives had contact with Al Queda
terrorists - question has always been how extensive and what degree
did they facilitate the 9/11 plot .

Ahmed Hikmat Shakir — the Iraqi Intelligence operative who facilitated a 9/11 hijacker into Malaysia and was in attendance at the Kuala Lampur meeting with two of the hijackers, and other conspirators, at what is roundly acknowledged to be the initial 9/11 planning session in January 2000? Who was arrested after the 9/11 attacks in possession of contact information for several known terrorists? Who managed to make his way out of Jordanian custody over our objections after the 9/11 attacks because of special pleading

Saddam Hussein’s regime was a crucial part of that response because it was a safety net for al Qaeda. A place where terror attacks against the United States and the West were planned. A place where Saddam’s intelligence service aided and abetted al Qaeda terrorists planning operations. A place where terrorists could hide safely between attacks. A place where terrorists could lick their wounds. A place where committed terrorists could receive vital training in weapons construction and paramilitary tactics. In short, a platform of precisely the type without which an international terror network cannot succeed.

Question is what did Saddam know, when and how much? We know
Saddam had planted agents in Al Queda to report on their activities.
How much they could have known and what was reported back to Saddam
is unknown.

Just a quick question for anyone who wants to answer: Do you believe Saddam conspired to attack the US on 911?

Did he "bomb" us as one coworker I have still believed until I asked him why he believed that. He explained that the "president said so, so it must be true".

Now I remember the vice president saying something to this effect, which he later denied.

So why would people believe that removing Saddam from power and eventually killing him in the process was "revenge" for all those people that died on 911?

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I know this was probably an oversight but since you have made quotations, would you please include links to your sources.

To avoid the one line post fine I would just like to say that it is a beautiful day here in Toronto.

9/11 was never investigated...that's the main problem

There's a very strong conspiracy going on and sadly the American people will most likely never get the real story.

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Above quotations came from

www.nationalreview.com...


More can be found if search for

Iraq kuala lampur 9 /11

www.weeklystandard.com...

www.weeklystandard.com...

Snip

in late February 2004, Christopher Carney made an astonishing discovery. Carney, a political science professor from Pennsylvania on leave to work at the Pentagon, was poring over a list of officers in Saddam Hussein's much-feared security force, the Fedayeen Saddam. One name stood out: Lieutenant Colonel Ahmed Hikmat Shakir. The name was not spelled exactly as Carney had seen it before, but such discrepancies are common. Having studied the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda for 18 months, he immediately recognized the potential significance of his find. According to a report
last week in the Wall Street Journal, Shakir appears on three different lists of Fedayeen officers.

Taken from the WeeklyStandard link.

So I'm supposed to take Chris Carneys word for it, even though it's "not spelled exactly" like the name he read before while "studying"?

Gosh this is rock solid evidence to go to war with. I mean 14 Saudis and 5 Egyptians with no links to their home countries?

PS the last line, does that mean the word "Shakir" appears on three different lists or the previously mentioned person whose name was "not spelled exactly" right?

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