Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?

reply to post by goosdawg


Yes I agree with you and any response directly would just help the initial posters attempts at derailment.
The OP has written and published a well articulated article on matters that should be further researched, examined and discused since we all know child abuse is real and prevelant, a debate is not relevant on this topic.

Originally posted by RickinVa

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the fact remains that there is no national agenda of covering up sexual abuse of children, just a few depraved souls who happen to get caught once in a while.

While I will not go so far as to dimiss the ritual sex abuse of children, but to suggest that there is a nationwide interconnected network of high profile pedo's who have kid abuse parties is utterly unbelievable.






[edit on 18-2-2008 by RickinVa]

Did you read any of the links? Are they all lies, fabrications? For what purpose?

[edit on 18-2-2008 by whaaa]

Originally posted by RickinVa
but to suggest that there is a nationwide interconnected network of high profile pedo's who have kid abuse parties is utterly unbelievable.

This is the exact reaction that I posted about earlier. No one will ever believe it, it's too far out there. However, do some reasearch and you will find that the ruling elite of this world have been doing this for some time. Since at least the time of the Spartans, as I said in an earlier post. The Nazi elite were notorious homosexual deviants and pederasts. We all know what happened to high ranking Nazis after the war. Operation Paperclip, anyone?
Also, does anyone else think that there is a higher than average number of homosexual politicians, especially Republican? How many have been outted in the last decade? And usually people who appear anti-gay on the outside.

[edit on 18-2-2008 by TheComte]

[edit on 18-2-2008 by TheComte]

Originally posted by RickinVa

the fact remains that there is no national agenda of covering up sexual abuse of children, just a few depraved souls who happen to get caught once in a while.

No, the FACT is that you do not have the facts concerning SRA, and simply stating that there is no big operation does little to dissuade the mountains of evidence. I suppose the Dynacorp scandal was make believe eh? Or are you not willing to talk about that?

I won't bother telling you to wake up, just stay out of other peoples way and don't try to keep them from waking up.

Originally posted by RickinVa
There is no " National Conspiracy" to cover up a network of "child sex trade". The efforts to cover up something of this magnitude would have been exposed a long time ago... Exposed = indictments and long prison sentences for those involved.

That being said, it is also very obvious that there is a world wide problem with child abuse, something that is most likely inherent to the human race.

There are way too many people and way too much trade in this area for it to be a obscure "deviant" sexual trait.

I would suggest that is the latent hidden desires of individuals to participate in these type of activities that creates their willingness to believe in a mass hidden agenda.

The old " if other people are doing it then it must be okay" syndrome is in full effect.

Let me see if I follow your logic here. On the one hand, pedophilia is a ‘world wide problem’, ‘most likely inherent to the human race’, to the point that it might not even be ‘deviant’ (sorry you used those quote marks for a reason and you’re stuck with it). But despite all this, you find it impossible that groups of these masses of pedophiles, those in positions of power that have the ability to protect themselves, would ever act upon their desires. You state that trade in child sex is a problem, so clearly you admit that there are pedophile conspiracies, you just seem to believe that people in government are immune from them. One would think that a ’Fed’ would know better. Also, this syndrome you speak of tends to argue for the possibilities of pedophile conspiracies, not against them, and is obviously a vain attempt to associate those who seek to expose the criminals with the criminals themselves. Classic disinfo.

Originally posted by resistor

Let me see if I follow your logic here.

didn't you know that any large scale conspiracy is by definition impossible?




if the statistics about missing persons are remotely correct in scale, then something much bigger than child******* is going on. my bet would be medical experimentation, nazi science imports after WW2 and an underlying eugenics current worldwide among influential positions tie well into it all.

it's a series, more or less:


www.naturalnews.com...

www.naturalnews.com...

www.naturalnews.com...

... which should only be considered the proverbial tip of the iceberg. there is a reason why scientists are prone to 'suicide' (as opposed to suicide...)
www.stevequayle.com...

i had more links, which are, unfortunately no longer available, not even in archives. (wayback machine)

i'll provide you with these links in cases you have better luck "http://" tag removed for better copy&pasting - these links are dead

articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/nurse-breaks-silence-reveals-wwii/20060916200909990016?ncid=NWS00010000000001

www.sandiegoreader.com/php/cover.php?mode=article&showpg=1&id=20050728

PS: jfk shot himself, 5 times even

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
My psyche took a heavy load when I started to accept all the evidence that their are seriously evil/twisted people who operate in organization, are within the government etc. But it accepted that load, and I am now wiser for it.

Unfortunately, when we try to slowly ease the same mental load on others, the weight tends to 'crack' their understanding of reality and they immediately seep into denial.

What a marvellous choice of words. 10/10.

The evil that is in control of this world is beyond most people's wildest dreams. We have been conditioned, from a very young age, that so much of what is actually real, is fiction. Some people honestly can't comprehend the idea that some "people" could do such horrific things, or the reasons WHY they do it. It's not just about having a bit of twisted fun, it's much, MUCH more frightening then that.

With wisdom comes much pain, as you stated.

Originally posted by Long Lance
didn't you know that any large scale conspiracy is by definition impossible?

What the hell book of definitions are you using?

Are we operating within the same reality?

Do you understand the definition of conspiracy?

Do you think scale has any relevance to a conspiracy that utilizes compartmentalization and government etc.... ?

These are honest questions I'm asking... because I don't understand how people can brush off conspiracy by creating their own convenient definitions.

Denial is easy, but it is not that easy.

Originally posted by NewWorldOver


What the hell book of definitions are you using?

Are we operating within the same reality?

Do you understand the definition of conspiracy?

look, you should read the entire post, i mean the smiley should have tipped you off.

but anyway, the logic behind denial of big conspiracies goes like this:

a conspiracy needs to be kept secret... otherwise it's just a club

if many many people know about it it's no longer so secret.


in 1991 the embassador's daughter alledgedly testified before congress about Iraqi atrocities commited in Kuwait. of course, she wasn't there and the majority of attendees had to know this. -> 'open conspiracy'

do you know the most hideous open conspiracy of all ? people aren't sheeple, they are just 'in on it', because they support empire and get a h*** **n from the thought of it. you cannot convince someone who already knows, can you?

furthermore they know they are less likely to get locked into the camps and if something went wrong, they could still become snitches. in case of death, few would consider it a great loss, themselves included, so, really do they have any reason to worry?

[edit on 24.2.2008 by Long Lance]

I have uncovered more evidence of the pederast warrior cult. A Canadian version of the Franklin Cover-up. Even though the conspiracy in question is several years old now, I don't recall there being anything on the news and now some suspicious developments have occurred. I have posted about it. Check out my thread here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

How many more pedophile sex rings have to pop up for people to accept that the abuse is systematic and organized? I'm not talking about the loner down the street who no body likes anyway. I mean highly respected leaders, so called "pillars of the community," people you least expect. When they get caught, everything is hush, hush. No need to peer into those closets, folks. Move along. There's nothing here for you.

[edit on 25-2-2008 by TheComte]

Originally posted by Long Lance

look, you should read the entire post, i mean the

smiley should have tipped you off.

Ah I see

Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the net.

Theres no way this can be a hoax, where are all these children going?!

Disinformation is what this article is. Sad..

Originally posted by NewWorldOver
Yes, children are abducted, raped, and murdered, on a regular basis, by Satanists, celebrities, top level government officials, politicians, etc.

For every alleged case of Satanic ritual child abuse, there are at least a hundred real cases of Christian child abuse, whether ritualistic in nature or just the "spare the rod and spoil the child" variety. It helps to keep a sense of proportion.

Pedophile ring offered live vision of abuse

POLICE have arrested a Townsville man they allege is third in command of an "insidious" international pedophile ring which offered live vision of children being sexually abused.

The federal government employee, 29, was one of two Australians among 22 people arrested around the world since Friday as part of Operation Achilles.

The major bust by Task Force Argos detectives has closed down the highly secretive and organised network of international child sex offenders. Since 2006, its investigations have led to the rescue of 40 children as young as two years of age, including a Brisbane girl, 12.

The online pornography ring was run like a business and traded and sold images of violent sexual abuse of children around the world over a highly secure and encrypted website.

news.com.au | Pedophile ring offered live vision of abuse

Another win for the good guys.

And more proof that systematic abuse is taking place, worldwide.

*bump*

Yeah its no doubt in my mind or anybody elses. It makes me sick that the C.I.A is aware of it and spends more money "cracking" down on drug cartel instead.

Here are a couple of threads on the subject before I sign off:

Trauma Based Mind Control in Pop Culture

7 children 'may be buried at Jersey care home'

Here's another thread and another article on child abuse in our culture.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I was surprised by the amount of folks who could not concieve that adults would join together to harm children, so I steered away from "ritual abuse" and began following the threads of child abuse (it's all part of the same picture).

More news concerning child abuse by the powerful and connected:

A FORMER politician has today been found guilty of child sex and drugs charges after using his "sordid genius" to prey on vulnerable teens.

Source | news.com.au | Milton Orkopoulos guilty of child sex

And perpetrators of the child sex trade:

The trucking industry says it is horrified by allegations drivers have been involved in child sex trade along highways in northern New South Wales.

Truck drivers have reportedly paid for sex with indigenous girls as young as eight in the NSW northwestern towns of Boggabilla and Moree.

In some cases, the girls have been drugged and raped, ABC TV reported.

Source | news.com.au | Truckers 'horrified' at child sex trade claims

*bump*

In the news: Another child porn ring busted:

Lakeland, Florida - The Polk County Sheriff’s Office say they have arrested 19 people on child pornography charges, while two more suspects remain at large. Sheriff Grady Judd says the arrests were the result of the largest undercover operation of its kind in Polk County history.

The four-month operation found nearly 100,000 individual child pornography images and videos. Nearly 80,000 of those were in possession of one man. Sheriff’s deputies also found a power point presentation they describe as a “how-to” for child predators.

Suspects included a car salesman, a high school student, a forklift operator, a hospital computer tech and three Publix grocery chain employees.

tampabay10.com | Child porn bust in Polk

The above article goes on to list the names of those arrested.


A companion article examines the case in further detail:

Polk County, Florida – It is such a shocking story, with content so disturbing, as I wrote this, I actually had to take a break and walk away from the computer.

They are children.

Innocent, trusting, honest. They are violated in ways that no one can possibly fathom. Victims as young as a month old... an infant, violated by an adult male.

How does this happen? And, more importantly, why?

Detectives in Polk County have been working on this for months, and many are so weary and shocked themselves, they too have to take a break now and then from the case. That's because they must sift through more than 100,000 computer images of children having sex with grown men, each other and animals.

tampabay10.com |Child porn ring busted in Polk County

But that's not all:

It turns your stomach. But, that's not the end of it. Detectives found how-to manuals on violating children with step-by-step instructions, and vivid, stark pictures. The instructions show household items used in sexual ways with teens, toddlers, even babies.

The Sheriff shook his head as he described the material, “It gave a list of equipment, techniques. It even gave a warning to be careful, so that you don't leave evidence for a wife to find, or for the child's mother to find.”

tampabay10.com |Child porn ring busted in Polk County

This is just the "small change" predators, this bust doesn't include those who actually committed the crimes shown in the images.

Nor the fat cats who never get caught.

In all likelihood, the children will never be found...

Originally posted by Throbber
Unfortunately, the power of those willing to speak is greater than the power of those whom are afraid to speak.

Unfortunately I had a roommate quite a while ago who had a very big collection of kiddie porn- which he left out and I stumble across it. It was shocking sad and horrible. The pictures were very real and yes, I did turn him in.