Galactic information conspiracy?

With all the excitement over new galaxies being discovered and suchlike - what do you, the humble ATS Space Exploration enthusiast, think about the possibility of a secret organisation dedicated to controlling information on Habitable and resource-rich planets within our own Galaxy?

I bear no evidence, i bear no facts.

I am a humble explorer of the initiative... Metaphorically speaking...


p.s; i am aware of humankind's ability to look at the stars from any place on earth, and this is why i'm assuming that if my initiative is correct, some sort of organisation would be in place to spy on other county's space organisations.

Define "New".
It's not like observing other galaxies is "new".
And what information could they possibly be with holding from us?
"Alright, alright, don't tell the public this...But, I'm almost entirely certain, I've found eight galaxies made out of nothing but KD."

I suppose that it is possible that such an organisation, but what would the point be? Don't forget that some of the information that you suggest this organization would hide could only be obtained with far greater technology than we currently possess and that would be a big thing to keep quiet in itself.

It is an interesting posit though and I think that even closer to home in our own solar system, information on Mars or Europa could be being held back from the public domain for unspecified reasons.

reply to post by vrahziusudra


I'm suggesting that this secret organisation would be acting in the patriotic interests of it's own particular home country.

This method would essentially be a way of ensuring that country's success in galactic empire building.

Originally posted by Dewm0nster
And what information could they possibly be with holding from us?
"Alright, alright, don't tell the public this...But, I'm almost entirely certain, I've found eight galaxies made out of nothing but KD."

Oh, lots of stuff.

So how do you suppose they keep astronomers from talking? Especially when the majority of astronomy is carried out by regular people using there own equipment.

University's and research institutions may be leading technology wise but its never been very long before amateurs had access to the same technology.

You could have something with this thread but I would have thought it would be closer to home, maybe with the planets in our solar system rather than different galaxys.

If for instance Russia found desirable mineral rich deposits in saturns rings that would benefit them in amazing ways, then there is a good chance that they would try to keep it quiet whilst an atempt was made to harvest it.

But on a larger scale, from outside our solar system, there would be no real benefit to hide information as there is no current efficient way of recovering imagined substances.

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Simple; who do you contact when you make a discovery that is not of this world?

The NATIONAL SPACE AGENCY.

And that is the conflux of the information - so if you have the needed positions, it would be possible.

The only other method of spreading that kind of information is on the internet, and i don't know of any examples.

Originally posted by xSMOKING_GUNx

But on a larger scale, from outside our solar system, there would be no real benefit to hide information as there is no current efficient way of recovering imagined substances.

Not yet, there isn't.

[edit on 15-2-2008 by Throbber]

The term "You reap what you sow" comes to mind.

The thought that what is available to the general scientists is of any use in this thread is a stretch.

Even our very large stereo telescopes that scientists have access to are controlled and limited in their abilities. Not every bloke with a desire gets use of them, and definitely not those without a budget. Besides that, it comes down to seeing through our atmosphere and what the design was intended to focus on.

You notice how a lot of these 'independent' telescopes and satellites will not point to the moon under any circumstances any longer? Search ATS, it has been mentioned in a couple threads. When capitalism takes a back seat, some people notice this as strange. When a company with a high powered satellite imager claimed it would never point it at the moon, which has been proved to be in demand, but sells posters and images of Area 51 ... something seems a bit off.



But in reality, almost none of what the average scientist or person of the public has access to a telescope or satellite imagery of enough quality. You can't just point a 30" personally bought telescope at Venus and see high enough detail to claim NASA and ESA lie about it. You may be able to see galaxies far in the distance, but also, not enough to see a planet orbiting well enough to get an idea if it is life sustaining.


I take most 'scientific' statements with a grain of salt, since most of it is 'educated' guesses. We say that this planet x light years away has these elements because of what we feel is a certain pattern. Well, that assumes a lot that I won't get into here.


Even Mars rover and satellite images are pre-screened before put on a server available to the public. Hubble images are not flowing directly from the unit to a hard drive available to all. We get hand picked images that have already been given a once over by a staff member or team's eyes.

Slightly understandable, because could you imagine the egg on their face if there was a martian waving hi and a person on ATS found it? Or a ship floating around with a banner stating 'we come in peace' in all the major earth languages past and present?


All of them are publicly funded pieces of equipment, but, mostly without public involvement to the point they think the public doesn't have rights to it any more. Military space programs push that envelope even further, because they can say everything they do is worthy of utmost secrecy, though their bread is still buttered by the same source of funds.




It seems that a lot of scientists fit into a conformist, tow the line mentality. Whether because they believe we are better off that way, they are deceitful, or they cannot think outside their own limited boxes to see anything more than what a textbook that is most likely based on outdated false views tells them. There are some out there that seem to be geared towards enlightenment, changing public view/opening minds up past current beliefs, and generally of the mindset that allows us to further ourselves in thought and concept. Those are rare, and even more rare they are allowed to spread these views without being highly criticized and made to be a kook.



I think humanity NEEDS to be told there is life elsewhere. In fact, it would be the ONLY time I would accept them stating something as fact even if they have absolutely no proof of it. We need this so we stop with all this in-fighting of the species and disrespect of the other species. If we realize we are not the top of the food chain, and not the only life form out there ... that something else might be casting judgment on our actions ... it might just make the world straighten up a bit. Again, no need to dive deeper into this on this thread.


I admit it appears that things are being withheld, but also some things being released in a slow, controlled manner. As if public reaction is being monitored and assessed. Maybe they want to tell us something, but they need to prevent a sudden shock to the world psyche. If they mention possibility of life on our systems moons, and on other planets in other systems. They let things that 'look' like people in some photos out. They can see just how willing people are to the idea, and ween us into the possible truth.

Maybe a 'war of the worlds' sort of thing, but not an attack style, but a positive and peaceful style tv and radio simulcast. It would cause a stink, but in todays society, short attention spans would make even a bad reaction become over with quick (other than conspiracy boards like this claim it was real, which they very well could use real footage as part of a 'hoax' public reaction test).

Based on that reaction, they could plan further disclosure ... but, if it went bad, it could backfire ... and if they have been trying to slowly disclose it, it may ruin the very slow and methodical work and progress achieved from it thus far.



Then again, the flip side of believing that they know and hide stuff is they do it for negative reasons, which there is plenty of theories of those floating around without adding to it


The only way to know for yourself is work your way on the inside. By then, you may either be so shocked or callous that you no longer have the same passion of ultimate disclosure ... or find everything is much to do about nothing. I don't find the second option as plausible, and there will always be someone telling you that you didn't achieve high enough level/clearance to see the good stuff.


If you take some of the statements of people in the know, we may already be traveling the stars much better than the public can fathom ... just take the ex-Lockheed-Martin guy's word on it.

Originally posted by Throbber
reply to post by Edn

 

Simple; who do you contact when you make a discovery that is not of this world?

The NATIONAL SPACE AGENCY.

Er, last time I checked no. Depending on what your doing you would report discoveries to CBAT cfa-www.harvard.edu...

The Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams (CBAT) operates at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (specifically under the SAO umbrella), under the auspices of Commission 6 of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) and is a nonprofit organization, with principal funding coming from subscriptions to the various services offered by the Bureau.

that said you don't have to report discovery's to them, and if they don't publish your discovery you can dispute it.

On a side note I don't think anyone would accept (except maybe the people living in that country) a government run agency for reporting discovery's.

All of them are publicly funded pieces of equipment, but, mostly without public involvement to the point they think the public doesn't have rights to it any more.

I agree with you there, the public should have a lot more involvement in anything that is funded by public money.

The point is, there are people on here who think NASA project holographic images of mars into the sky so we cant see the aliens, its silly. At the end of the day you dont need expensive equipment (im talking millions, thousands isnt expensive in astronomy ) to make discovery's.

If I wanted I could save up my money and build a 30" telescope, heck that isnt even big, I could make a 2m telescope if i like but your not going to find aliens just by looking through it, the way to do that is with radio telescopes and light spectrum analysis.

The majority of research and discovery's will always be made by armatures and they are people you cant exactly shut up, at least not all of them.

When we do find something that the government doesn't want people to know they might not be able to stop you but they will discredit you and make a fool of you so that no one believes you, that's what they normally do.

You'l excuse me for not knowing everything about the authorities on these matters, I'm pretty certain that the various powers that be can probably obstruct technological advancement - why do you think most of the stuff we hear about science is either Genetic or theoretical?

It's all well and good being able to look at things, but as far as i see it I don't see what metaphysics has done for the world so far other than give a few geeks some crazy ideas.

It seems that Experimentation these days is only done in the name of combat cosmetics.

Still, It might be worth finding out what the social aura is like in one of those authority buildings - see how busy everyone is, whether or not they're working hard - that sort of thing.

I'd welcome your advice if you have any knowledge of such a workplace.

i have to say that i dont think such organisations exist. lets face it if they did, i dont think that they would remain too much of a secret. it is more likely the case that if something of the like did exist, it would a small team of people under the jurasdication of some department in an organisation that already exist ie NSA, MI6, MOSSAD etc. i dont think though that there is too much too gain anyway.

as for the limited amount of images/footage from the telescopes, have we considerd that one bit of space looks much like another, one square mile on the surface of some celestial landmass looks much like another, and that they just show us the bits that are a little exciting to keep interest up

so why not stream the images from hubble and make them publically availlable? the answer, i believe is 2 fold
1. why bother, are we all really that interested. perhaps a limited amount of people would sit, eyes glued for days on end watching nothing happen. but then it is a potential headache, if there is a technical error, and the feed is lost, they need to pay some IT types (with public money), a salary to be on call in such an event. are we prepared to pay for that?
2. in the event, however unlikely, that an alien craft did pass by and it was caught on camera, the ramifications of having that information public are quite serious.

as for mineral rich resources on other planets, it would not be the planets i would be interested in. i want to know more about the asteroids in the asteroid belt, they may be mineral rich and it is plausable that we tow them back into an earth orbit and mine them from there, instead of crazy shuttle runs over millions of miles.

The OP reminds me of the fella who posted a while back, saying that everything we see in the sky was broadcasted up there, by some sort of giant projectors.
Just came to mind.

I highly doubt an organization exists which could keep major pieces of information about us in the discoveries of Galaxies.
But then, I don't want to repeat many of the fine posters have already brought up.
So just add my name to the disbelief list.

You think that regulations on this don't exist?