Forbidden Egyptology

Originally posted by greywolfe1960
I understand that the job Hawass has must, by definition, be extremely difficult, but that is no excuse for letting national pride interfere in the search for scientific truth. I am the type of person that will stand up and state what I believe in even if I do get ridiculed for it, and I find those that will not to be two-faced and untrustworthy. Again, MY OPINION and no one else's.

please give me a few examples where Hawass's national pride has interfered with a search for scientific truth ?

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MY OPINION and no one else's.

Alot of people share this opinion..

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MY OPINION and no one else's.

Alot of people share this opinion..

what opinion would that be JB

you neglected to add it to your post.

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Same arguement I posted earlier in this thread,,about the absence of info coming out )

Well, back to the pyramids, because I have still some problems with the provided evidence.

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Recently, remnants of ramps have been found by Dr. Zahi Hawass on the south side of the pyramid that attest that some type of ramping was indeed used in the construction of this monument. The attribution of the pyramid to King Khufu is supported by workman’s markings in red ink that were found in the pyramid in small chambers that were never intended to be opened.

This portion (above) is enough to refer to as a "wealth of ... evidence" that the G.P. was built by (or for) Khufu.

Harte, do you really think that this portion is enough "wealth of ... evidence" to proof the G.P. was built by (or for) Khufu?
Let me explain why I find it weaker then weak.
To start with the ramps, and I have here some information about that theory.

www.archaeology.org...

interoz.com...

www.touregypt.net...

I am really amazed that you and all those Egyptologists really believe that the AE with the tools they had to their disposal where capable of drag those hundred of thousands immense blocks of stone with weights from one to four tonnes, some of 15 tonnes and some even 70 tonnes tens of meters higher and higher up on those ramps?
Is that Egyptologists common sense?
Imagine how many people obviously must be needed to drag all those blocks up, especially the ones from 15 to 70 tonnes.
Look to the test results of a 25 ton block here.

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And how could such a big group of people who pulling those blocks over wooden runners with long ropes of course have manoeuvred on such a ramp, at some moment they must have turned, going left, going right, back, forward to get those huge blocks precisely on it’s place?
And then, when it is almost on its place you must first remove the ropes and wooden runners right.
So you must place it then in the exact position by means of pushing.
How do you think they have done that?
And all of that will surely take some time in my humble opinion, so how do you explain the claim then made by the Egyptologists that the workforce could have sustained a rate of 180 blocks per hour (3 blocks/minute) with ten hour work days for putting each individual block in place.

I find that really ridicules.

Then the following.

The so called evidence from the workman’s markings in red ink that were found in the pyramid in small chambers that were never intended to be opened.
I personally find those very questionable.
It is absolute possible in my opinion that those very simple markings where put there by Vyse and Perring themselves, and for the reason only to have at least some very weak evidence that fool everyone then and future generations later by giving the impression that because of those markings the G.P belong to Khufu?
And to tell you the truth, I really think they put them there themselves.

That is what you name “Forbidden Egyptology”.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
The so called evidence from the workman’s markings in red ink that were found in the pyramid in small chambers that were never intended to be opened.
I personally find those very questionable.
It is absolute possible in my opinion that those very simple markings where put there by Vyse and Perring themselves, and for the reason only to have at least some very weak evidence that fool everyone then and future generations later by giving the impression that because of those markings the G.P belong to Khufu?
And to tell you the truth, I really think they put them there themselves.

the quarry mark claims were originally made by Zechariah Sitchin. He needed the pyramid to be older than Khufu for alien purposes in one of his sci fi novels. You are probably aware that the name Khufu was written in a style that wasn't even heard of in Vyse's day. so unless he had an ancient egyp[tian heliping him fake them it isn't very likely. It was then popularised by Graham Hancock in FOTG. What you probably arent aware of is that since then Graham Hancock has investigated the marks himself rather than parroting second hand information. Since he did that he has reversed his original position. He noticed that the red paint is not only present on the face of the block (where it could have been faked) but also carries on in between the joins (where it couldn't). If he is no longer making that claim (which you wouldn't have heard of without him unless youre a sitchin fan) then I don't think it helps anyone elses credibility to claim the same thing.

Graham Hancock
The fact is that the "quarry marks" found in the relieving chambers, including those that can be glimpsed in cracks between the blocks, are quite typical of the Old Kingdom, and are sufficient in themselves to confirm that Old Kingdom stonemasons were at work here. When all the other marks are genuine and typical of the Old Kingdom, it seems unnecessary to conclude (as I once wrongly did) that the Khufu cartouche must be a forgery.

so really, unless youre going to claim that the AE, were not responsible for building the GP, but merely renovated it (an act which requires greater knowledge than the original architects) you're on a no hoper with that one.

the level of knowledge displayed with the "false quarry marks" claim is now about two decades out of date.

Originally posted by legionromanes

Originally posted by spacevisitor
The so called evidence from the workman’s markings in red ink that were found in the pyramid in small chambers that were never intended to be opened.
I personally find those very questionable.
It is absolute possible in my opinion that those very simple markings where put there by Vyse and Perring themselves, and for the reason only to have at least some very weak evidence that fool everyone then and future generations later by giving the impression that because of those markings the G.P belong to Khufu?
And to tell you the truth, I really think they put them there themselves.

the quarry mark claims were originally made by Zechariah Sitchin. He needed the pyramid to be older than Khufu for alien purposes in one of his sci fi novels.

I really never heard of that connection before.

Originally posted by legionromanes
You are probably aware that the name Khufu was written in a style that wasn't even heard of in Vyse's day. so unless he had an ancient Egyptian helping him fake them it isn't very likely.

For the “Forbidden Egyptology” records, you can come with anything you want, because the great pyramid is in my opinion 100% shore not build by an AE by the name of Khufu, and in fact the whole Giza plateau isn’t build by any AE.

Also for the “Forbidden Egyptology” records, I believe for the time being that the Great Pyramids are built in Egypt 71,344 B.C. by an Extraterrestrial race who comes to Earth as colonists and named themselves Lyrans.

When the Pyramids were built those ET astronomers new the fate of Earth. They built the data that told of the future into the pyramid. It speaks of coming disasters from the cosmos. They even took into account the changing position of Earth. The Prophecy will come at a time when the central sun of the milky way and our sun shine through a tube like opening of the pyramid into the center and illuminates one point in the pyramid.
The pyramids were built by Spiritual telekinetic forces.

How do you all like that for a change?.

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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Who said it was empty? I think there is probably all sorts of life out there - probably the majority view amongst scientists.

Those who assume nothing much intelligent or civilized has happened here in billions of years most also assume that the universe is relatively empty.

If you go by the idea that the universe is teeming with intelligent life (like I do), then what follows is that this life has been off and on earth many, many times.

Sky,

Is this why you bring Evolution Theory into the discussion?

You should be aware that no theory of evolution has ever postulated or attempted to describe the origin of life.

Evolution only describes possibly explanations for how life forms change with time. IOW, it presupposes life's existence.

Evolutionary Theory has to have life already in existence.

You're thinking of speculative biology. In particular, abiogenesis.

See, what you call "Darwinism" wouldn't be affected in the least by concrete proof that life on Earth originated in space (for example.)

Also, I don't follow why you think that believing that it took 4 billion years for us to evolve here somehow says something about life elsewhere. I don't think it says anything at all about the concentration of intelligent life in the universe. Why would it? The universe is, after all, at least 3 times as old as the Earth (approximately.) Another, alien, civilization need only be a thousand or so years older than we are to be vastly more technologically advanced than us.

Lastly, it doesn't "follow" at all that intelligent life ... has been off and on earth many, many times" no mater what the concentration of life in the universe might be.

I calculated it here before. If you were to obtain a spacecraft that could go from star to star in one second, it would take you (I forget now) something like 3,000 years to visit only half the stars in our single galaxy. That doesn't include time to take a look around to see if that star had life-bearing planets around it.

Also, the more intelligent life out there, the less likely we would be visited. Think about it. How many other life forms can any planetary culture study at once? How many are possible? Maybe we're just one example of a hundred thousand or so civilizations almost exactly like ours.

1st E.T.: "Ho hum, another carbon-based, bilaterally symmetrical, oxygen breathing, tool making, petroleum using civilization, just like the last twenty three we looked at.

2nd E.T.:"Let's go somewhere else and see if we can find something more interesting!"

Originally posted by Skyfloating
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not worth commenting on

Then why did you comment?

Originally posted by Skyfloating(this is not a one-line-post)

(Neither is this.)

Wait a minute:

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Also for the “Forbidden Egyptology” records, I believe for the time being that the Great Pyramids are built in Egypt 71,344 B.C. by an Extraterrestrial race who comes to Earth as colonists and named themselves Lyrans.

When the Pyramids were built those ET astronomers new the fate of Earth. They built the data that told of the future into the pyramid. It speaks of coming disasters from the cosmos. They even took into account the changing position of Earth. The Prophecy will come at a time when the central sun of the milky way and our sun shine through a tube like opening of the pyramid into the center and illuminates one point in the pyramid.
The pyramids were built by Spiritual telekinetic forces.

Oh. Now I see.

Sorry Skyfloating. Now I see what you meant about "not worth commenting on..."

Silly me.

Harte

courtesy edit.

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Originally posted by Harte

I calculated it here before. If you were to obtain a spacecraft that could go from star to star in one second, it would take you (I forget now) something like 3,000 years to visit only half the stars in our single galaxy. That doesn't include time to take a look around to see if that star had life-bearing planets around it.

Being earth-centric means assuming that advanced life would use our comparitively snail-paced propulsion systems. Not even the NASA is considering interstellar travel by these means. They invest in advanced physics concepts in order to find better means. Interplanetary travel maybe, but not interstellar. The only way we could ever travel that far with our current slow systems is by generational ships. The distant future holds options such as lightspeed, teleportation, wormholdes, hyperspace-travel, etc.

The earth-centric view is indeed responsible for most of the worlds population inability to even deem ancient-astronaut-theory worth consideration.



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Originally posted by Harte
Wait a minute:

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Also for the “Forbidden Egyptology” records, I believe for the time being that the Great Pyramids are built in Egypt 71,344 B.C. by an Extraterrestrial race who comes to Earth as colonists and named themselves Lyrans.

When the Pyramids were built those ET astronomers new the fate of Earth. They built the data that told of the future into the pyramid. It speaks of coming disasters from the cosmos. They even took into account the changing position of Earth. The Prophecy will come at a time when the central sun of the milky way and our sun shine through a tube like opening of the pyramid into the center and illuminates one point in the pyramid.
The pyramids were built by Spiritual telekinetic forces.

Oh. Now I see.

Sorry Skyfloating. Now I see what you meant about "not worth commenting on..."

Silly me.

Easy saying Harte, but try to proof me wrong.

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Also for the “Forbidden Egyptology” records, I believe for the time being that the Great Pyramids are built in Egypt 71,344 B.C. by an Extraterrestrial race who comes to Earth as colonists and named themselves Lyrans.

thats very interesting, I'm wondering if you can tell me if the lyrans were very acomplished with playing music and if they had time travel or even if they spoke english or latin when they arrived ?

thanks

Originally posted by legionromanes

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Also for the “Forbidden Egyptology” records, I believe for the time being that the Great Pyramids are built in Egypt 71,344 B.C. by an Extraterrestrial race who comes to Earth as colonists and named themselves Lyrans.

thats very interesting,

Thanks, I knew you would.

Originally posted by legionromanes
I'm wondering if you can tell me if the lyrans were very acomplished with playing music

I see no reason why they good not play music, because as far as I know every human civilisation was/is capable of playing music, so surely an advanced civilisation as that can do it in my opinion.

Originally posted by legionromanes
and if they had time travel

Surely they must have the technology for “time travel” because how good they know what will happen in the future then?

Originally posted by legionromanes
or even if they spoke english or latin when they arrived ?

Would it not be logical to you that they spoke Lyrans, because for what reasons do you think it was necessary to speak English or Latin in 71,344 B.C.?

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This post is interesting I read the main points at the beginning and would just like to say that my post goes along way to prove that there has been a coverup for along time now but one that has been covered up by leaving clues infront of our faces

MY ATS POST ON ATLANTIS

one of the most interesting finds I made in the pictures is the one of the spaceship in the leonardo painting


combined with the magnetic anomolie on the floor of the ocean



and the fact that Atlantis aligns in the exact same direction as the pyramids



would very much confirm that we are dealing with that speculated debated topic of the advanced civilization called ATLANTIS the original Egyptians who returned to egypt looking for their lost home!

ISA

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Its your post...on withheld info

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Thanks. I had already read your material earlier but had not posted. I´ll give you credit for posting something new rather than doing a rehash of the same ol same old.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Would it not be logical to you that they spoke Lyrans, because for what reasons do you think it was necessary to speak English or Latin in 71,344 B.C.?

well they are named after the constellation lyra, (their original home) which in turn is named after the latin name of the musical instrument known as the lyre (which is the shape of the constellation)
so unless they first travelled forwards in time and spoke to some romans (for which they would need latin) or came further forwards and spoke to someone english (for which they would need english) they would not be calling themselves lyran would they.

seems quite obvious to me.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Harte

I calculated it here before. If you were to obtain a spacecraft that could go from star to star in one second, it would take you (I forget now) something like 3,000 years to visit only half the stars in our single galaxy. That doesn't include time to take a look around to see if that star had life-bearing planets around it.

Interplanetary travel maybe, but not interstellar. The only way we could ever travel that far with our current slow systems is by generational ships. The distant future holds options such as lightspeed, teleportation, wormholdes, hyperspace-travel, etc.

Sure. But That doesn't mean squat in even a single galaxy, as I stated. Maybe you missed it. I bolded my point in your quote of my post above.

Originally posted by SkyfloatingThe earth-centric view is indeed responsible for most of the worlds population inability to even deem ancient-astronaut-theory worth consideration.

I'd like to see how you arrived at the opinion that "most of the world" is unable to deem the AA opinion worthy of consideration.

I agree that this bias exists, however. I do not agree that it exists in me.

Harte

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Read and Acknowledged. No disagreement here.