Travis Walton Case. Legitimate Encounter.

Despite all of these indications on a supposed lie test, I still find the Walton case not believable.

BTW, Walton failed his initial polygraph examination.

For me, it's just too 'science-fiction' like, too lurid and too convenient.

For one thing, these fairly hostile aliens bothered to 'return' him, and to a place near where he was picked up. Had he shown up in an obscure field in Russia or South America, for instance, then I'd be more inclined to give it some credence.

In addition Walton lied several times, claiming his mother was so upset upon learning of his abduction that she had to be sedated.

From PJ Klass

According to Deputy Sheriff Ken Coplan, who was present when Travis' mother first learned that Travis allegedly had been zapped and abducted by a UFO, "_she did not act very surprised_." According to Coplan, Travis' mother calmly replied: "_Well, that's the way these things happen._" Then she proceeded to tell about her own and son Duane's UFO sightings.

He also said none of them had watched the Betty and Barney Hill abduction on TV, and his brother later admitted they did. Also in contradition to Travis, his brother Duane said: "We've paid a lot of attention to it [UFOs]. We've lived with it for ten years..._we see them quite regularly_." (from above site). When Duane learned of the money reward he described his own UFO experience, saying he had been chased by a flying saucer through the woods as a child.

Of course we know they needed money, having been convicted of stealing checks the office of the Western Molding Co.

Finally, though Walton said he had been thrown onto 'hard rocky ground' by the blast, he showed no injuries and when they went back to examine the site there was a thick carpet of pine needles, and it showed no burned sections from the alleged blast, nor were there any rocks around.

Oh, Travis washed off his body and his clothes, thus preventing any attempts to get trace evidence of presumably alien origin.

So put me down as skeptical of this case.

(I must say I do believe the majority of what Betty and Barney Hill recount, though I also think that there's substantial suggestion of some complicity of the military in their case. (remember the Military siad they had radar confirmation of craft on that night, but phrased it in a strange manner.)

Edit: Forgot one of the strongest points. They did a urine test of Travis Walton and it showed no evidence of him having not eaten for five days. Later Walton 'claimed' to have lost ten pounds.



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6 witnesses. 1 abductee.
7 polygraphs confirm positive results what 6 witnesses state is the truth.


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At one time I was acquaintances with members of the family that employed Travis Walton on their ranch back in Snowflake. The few tentative time I brought up the subject they were generally forthcoming and sincere in their belief that "something" happened to those men.

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I quite agree! It is an interesting story, but hardly proof of alien visitation. If you look deeper into the story, it is not such a clear-cut case after all.

I think the Betty-Barney hill case is a lot more interesting (though not proof for me of alien visitation).

I guess some people are prepared to believe anything...

You will get my profesional and objective oppinion on the subject, once I've seen the movie.

Originally posted by Behindthelines
6 witnesses. 1 abductee.
7 polygraphs confirm positive results what 6 witnesses state is the truth.


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Look into it. You'll find that one failed polygraph and then they changed examiners to a newbie, and the Waltons got to decide what questions to ask.

Why not take pride in not just giving a summary judgement based on a superficial knowledge of the case?

Originally posted by trewth
anybody can pass a lie detector, thats why its not used in a court room

unfortunately theres no evidence, some redneck running around naked in the forest is not proof of anything, hes probably a drunk or a liar

you really think anyone could trick a lie detctor?
I would love to see you prove that.
thats why its not used in court? I highly doubt that.
if they were used in court then we would actually have honest
law system....which we don`t.

and on the subject of lie detectors.

I challenge any politician to take one.

then we would start to get to the REAL TRUTH.
and not the fake trewth.

one drunk naked guy in the woods........thats rich.....your all class
no............. 6 workers who all passed lie detectors.

I would believe the 6 workers anyday before I would belive my government.

Huh, what's with the 'naked guy'? That's the movie and the movie bears little or no relation to the 'facts' as related by Travis.

He was found fully clothed.

He also never mentioned the probing and 'rubber sheet' treatment and claimed the aliens wore orange jumpsuits and the humanoids wore blue jumpsuits.

Often see the age old question -- 'where's the proof', that's understandable considering the nature of the event. I do often wonder if witnesses of an extreme event equal proof? Would multi-witness statements stand-up in Court (where Polygraphs are Not accepted)?

There are many UFO abduction reports that include being returned to the same place, so I'd suppose whatever or whomever is behind this type of abduction don't want to the abductee to know, and are intelligent.

Two Such cases:
Kelly Cahill -- multi-abduction case (Australia)
Rivera -- abduction case (Puerto Rico (Lagoona Caltehena sp?)), returned near his car and was responsible for taking the photos (three-five) of the UFO static with the F16 circling presently found on most UFO pic sites.

Dallas

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The Kelly-Cahill incident was a 'remembered' "abduction". It sounds strange. They should do a movie of it.

One case I do find compelling, in addition to the Hill case is the Allagash incident. In that case there are apparently no signs of faking or making anything up, however it is also a 'remembered' abduction.

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I agree 100%. The Walton case is full of holes. Anyone researching it can find this.
The "it can't be debunked" defense is laughable.

The guys present at the supposed abduction are not reliable witnesses.
One said the UFO was blue. Another said it was orange.
Walton's older brother Duanne (who tried to cash in on the story) is a loon.
The defenders saying that no one involved has profited from the episode...
well, it's not like they haven't tried.

People who believe this story based on the evidence at hand are far too
gullible. It's far too incredible a story to accept without much, much stronger
evidence, if not hard proof.

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Oddly it wasn't the various 'holes' in his story that caused me to doubt the story, but a general feeling that he and his brother were not trustworthy.

Everyone should bear in mind that the TV-movie of the case is quite different (for dramatic reasons, most likely) than the story he recounted. Read up on the case in Wiki and other sources to get a better idea of the case.

BTW, I'm planning on putting up a post on what might possibly be the cause of many paranormal sightings. Amazing that there might be a scientific reason behind some of this stuff.

Originally posted by trewth
theres still zero evidence that he was abducted, youll have to take his word and im not that stupid

If I were you I would stop before you latest assessment of your stupidity level becomes a matter of debate. You sound like the guy who insists that it is night time even though he refuses to open the curtains and his eyes.

Put it this way: There is a great liklihood that the Travis Walton case represents a genuine abduction phenomenon, given all the evidence presented. To dismiss it with no rational explanation as to why the opposing view makes sense is ridiculous and immature.

Explain WHY all the evidence means NOTHING to you or understand why you are alone in your unconvincing refutation.

Travis Walton - Wikipedia

Travis Walton (April 20, 1957), claims to have been abducted by a UFO on November 5, 1975, while working on a logging crew in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest in Arizona. Walton could not be found, but reappeared after five days of intensive searches.

The Walton case received considerable mainstream publicity and remains one of the best-known instances of alleged alien abduction. Jerome Clark writes that "Few abduction reports have generated as much controversy" as the Walton case[1] It is furthermore one of the very few alien abduction cases with corroborative eyewitnesses, and one of few abduction cases where the time allegedly spent in the custody of aliens plays a rather minor role in the overall account.

Randles and Hough write that "Neither before or since has an abduction story" begun in the manner related by Walton and his coworkers. Furthermore, the Walton case is singular in that "the victim vanished for days on end with police squads out searching ... it is an atypical CE4 ... which bucks the trend so much that it worried some investigators; others defend it staunchly." (Randles and Hough, 186)

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ufos-aliens.co.uk - cosmictravis

On November 5th, 1975, one of the most interesting UFO events in history took place in north eastern Arizona. A work team consisting of seven men reported encountering a reflective, luminous object the shape of a flattened disc hovering close to their truck on a remote dirt road in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest, USA. According to the crew, one of the men, Travis Walton, exited the truck and approached the object on foot, where he was allegedly struck by a brilliant bluish light and hurled to the ground some distance away. In fear, the other crew members fled the scene, returning after a short period of time to find no trace of the UFO, or of Walton.

The driver of the truck was Mike Rogers, the crew foreman and a personal friend of Walton's. While fleeing the scene, Rogers reported looking back and seeing a luminous object lift out of the forest and speed rapidly towards the horizon. He, along with the other five witnesses, would eventually be subjected to polygraph (lie detection) examinations on thirteen occasions regarding the event, the successful outcomes of which catapulted the case into the national spotlight. Walton turned up five days later, confused and distraught but with fleeting memories of alien and exotic human entities. He was also subsequently subjected to a number of controversial polygraph examinations .

As the first seriously investigated UFO event to involve the disappearance of an individual in conjunction with a UFO sighting, the incident put the honesty of UFO claimants, as well as the validity of lie detection evidence, squarely in the spotlight. A total of thirteen polygraph examinations have been conducted in association with the case, tests which have been the subject of considerable discussion and acrimonious debate.

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Originally posted by Behindthelines
Rock solid cases complete with 6 witnesses.

Hi Behindthelines,

I thought you might be interested to know that this case featured as Case 11 in my article "Top 100 UFO Cases - Revealed!". (That article features a list of the 100 UFO cases most frequently discussed in a sample of 963 UFO and SETI books that I've read during the last few years).

My Chronology (referred to in that post, and available as a free download) included a list of references to discussions of this incident in 114 different books.

For ease of reference (since that post is rather long) I'll cut and paste the relevant entry below.

Kind Regards,

Isaac

11. 114 references : Travis Walton abduction (1975)

Travis Walton claims to have been abducted by a UFO near Snowflake, Arizona, USA on 5 November 1975.

The National Enquirer reported on 13 June 1976 that it was awarding Travis Walton $2,500, and the other witnesses a total of a further $2,500 following the recommendations of the members of its “blue ribbon” panel of UFO experts.

Allen H Greenfield (a ufologist) has suggested that the Travis Walton incident “may be the most iron-clad UFO case in history”

This incident has featured in the following:

• a list of cases produced by Stanton Friedman for the Fortean Times in 2007 as part of a survey of various researchers of the ten cases from 1947 onwards that interested them the most.
  
• a list of Dennis Balthaser’s “ten favourite cases” in an article in the MUFON Journal in 2003.
  

This incident is discussed on the ATS.com forums in Thread 26576.

For links to various relevant documents and articles online see:
www.nicap.org...

(For references to relevant discussions in various UFO books see Koi Chronology 1975.1105)

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