There's Something Wicked in the Wind.

Just got shook out of bed about 10 minutes ago- whatever they are up to is still going on. Was just outside- I can hear sonic booms in distance still. This isn't normal.

reply to post by dizziedame


I wouldnt have a problem with pro sports if people did not worship it like a God. Our dollar is under hyper inflationary depression , the people in other countrys are eating dirt. Thousands of my fellow american men and women are being cut down in war, Not to mention all the foreign populations being murdered, and all I see is fans with zombie eyes peacocking around with there football gear on. Sorry to offend any football lovers, the time for fun and games and gladiator worship is over for me.

I am also from the greater phoenix area, although I believe from what I have gathered that I am on the other edge of the city than ItsHumanNature.

I can say, from my experiences, that there is most definitely something going on. I have currently been living east of downtown, far enough away from the airport that I never hear any type of aircraft activity.

This weekend I have heard ALL KINDS of activity. Friday and Saturday night combined, I saw no less than 15 helicopters take off (and no less than 5 at one time). A few choppers out and about each night is no big deal....but this weekend was eerie. It was one right after another. Constant activity.

It is now 3:00AM here, and I can still hear jets through my bedroom window. This is the first time since living east of downtown that I have heard this much activity, and this is by far the most air craft I have heard or seen above PHX since 9/11.

Although it is some what expected. We have Luke Air force Base and Palo Verde (a nuclear plant) which would be at high security alerts this weekend.

BTW - I can fully confirm that the shots of downtown/the sunset of PHX during the football game were from last night. Not only was it overcast here during the game, more importantly they were showing the sun set about 45 minutes before it was actually 'dusk' outside!

[edit on 4-2-2008 by White Chocolate]

ok , lets take it from the top :

previous severance of communications links have proven to be a prelude to war.

really ? please cite some of them

further - consider all the previous communication breakdowns which had nothing to do with war

smoke and mirrors blog indeed - another bloody hysterical doomsayer

Yup, fellow ats'rs just blowing smoke in your piehole. Get a cup of coffee and wake up homes.

If we think about this what would be a better cover for covering something secret up other then a Super Bowl game.

They have been showing that two helicopters would be over the Stadium and that air space was to be shut down for I believe 18 miles all around on Fox news this week.

Maybe the military was up to something major and used the Super Bowl for cover, I don't like the sounds of this.

I honestly think some are making a mountain out of a molehill in regards to the Superbowl

In regards to the sunset... the NFL, as well as the TV networks (FOX) wants to put on the best possible face for the city hosting the Superbowl
Alot of money is involved, both for the NFL, the teams, and most importantly, the city hosting the event... the last thing anyone wants is a poor impression of the host city
That would be why, most likely for a few days before the event, FOX tapes sunsets, and picked the nicest one to show on TV
This is normal and happens quite often, not only for the Superbowl, but many other sporting events

As far as increased military presence... this is normal as well
Any high profile event... be it the Superbowl, Olympics, what have you... has increased military presence, usually lasting a few days before the event as well as a couple days after, if I am not mistaken
For those saying it is not normal... your right, it isn't when compared to day to day activity... unless of course you host the Superbowl or any other major event on a consistant and constant basis

I also would like to offer an opinion
I realize, I do not post often... and some may just brush my post off as a "newb" ... and thats ok
But... the ones who seem to look down upon the Superbowl, as well as those fans who watch... maybe I can present a different perspective
Life right now in this world is uncertain... to some, life is very frightening right now
Hell, I know myself... sometimes it seems this world is going down a endless spiral and there does not appear to be any end in sight in these troubled times
The Superbowl... or any event, be it sporting, a stage production, a concert... whatever
It provides people a chance to escape reality for a few hours
It is a good thing, despite what some people may want to believe
It puts smiles on people's faces

People can not be all doom and gloom all of the time, they need some brightness in their lives... something to give them a break from how miserable their daily lives may be

-Marc

Funny to read this after what I heard Friday. A friend of a coworker told him “if I'm ever dispatched, something bad is afoot.” Well, Thursday he was shipped out, all he would tell his friend was remember what I told you about me leaving.

All I know is he some special unit, which has been over here training for a long time.

Take it with a grain of salt… nothing’s going to happen.

reply to post by White Chocolate



Thanks for the Comfrimation Choc, whatever is going on is still going on- and yes the fighters I am seeing from Carefree heading southeast would go straight over where you are.(If you continue that trajectory in a straight line it would take you to the missile /gunnery ranges in New Mexico- and coincedentally to the area of a little town called Roswell.)

The last time I saw this much activity in the sky was about ten years ago when a pilot flew off with a fully armed A-10 from Tucson M/D AFB and crashed up in CO- I was in that area of CO at the time and it looked like red dawn- planes crisscrossing, choppers everywhere, Patrols on the roads, the whole bit.

What reality is the masses escaping from?? O you mean they were in reality before the game, then they left it during the game, and then returned to reality at the end? I would call it more like, they left one illusion and stepped into a deeper illusion for 3 hours.
Don't give me this escaping from realty thing because that's all Americans do is escape reality 24 hours a day. Like I said no offense and I understand the liking for the gladiatorial exhibitions. When I see UFC bloodgore fest with the thousands of fans licking there lips for blood, I decided to expel these events from my good powers list.

I posted in a U2U so I will post it here as well.. You know what a better superbowl would be..How about filling the stadium full of poor people and we all feed them and make them feel special for three hours.Thats what a real man would do.Celebrate life. That sounds like a better party to have not a simulated warfare display.
I'm sick of war, and death. How about giving Iraq happiness, and dropping food instead of death bombs. How about giving all we have to help them bring true peace to there country. But no Its war war war or the worship of false warfare like sporting mass. Then all the people do is walk around the workplace talking about the stupid football games. No real issues nothing valuable just a endless repetition of false toughness, comparing illusions. So foolish IMO.

The end of Rome was the times of the gladiator fights.




[edit on 4-2-2008 by dntwastetime]

Originally posted by dntwastetime
I wouldnt have a problem with pro sports if people did not worship it like a God. Our dollar is under hyper inflationary depression , the people in other countrys are eating dirt. Thousands of my fellow american men and women are being cut down in war, Not to mention all the foreign populations being murdered, and all I see is fans with zombie eyes peacocking around with there football gear on. Sorry to offend any football lovers, the time for fun and games and gladiator worship is over for me.

I have a problem with your post.

It just so happens I work hard for my income and spent my life so far systemically improving my standard of living with education, experience and personal sacrifices. If I want to spend my money on some luxury item or football what does that got to do with the dirt eaters of the world?

If you are poor in America and you are of able mind and body you are poor by choice. This choice is in not wanting to commit the time energy and sacrifices to get ahead in life. For those suffering in other countries there is just no hope for them. I do not say this in a callous way, but in a way that I understand human nature.

American is demonized anytime we try to help in anyway. In Somalia we just wanted to protect the food shipments and get it to the starving people without the warlords taking it all, and that humanitarian situation ended up with ALL hating us and fighting us on all sides of the issue.

In Iraq we removed the minority dictatorship and the majority that is now freed only want to fight each other to the death instead of creating a new and better life. We also see this in Africa and other parts of the world with genocides and atrocities happening once again too, and everyone says why doesn’t America help them? And the reason is we just can’t, and that is the plain and simple truth. We cannot stop what people do not want to stop doing, and we see this in Iraq very plainly.

So I say lets enjoy our life and our football and whatever else we want to do for the nature of the world is not something America can change.

I said what i was going to say, take it how you want to, play your games enjoy the distractions all you wish, I am not here to interfere with the fantasyland.

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I am so with you on this one. Now I need to get to the following post.

Originally posted by ItsHumanNature
More and more jets going up around here in Phoenix right after Halftime . Running hot - going supersonic over parts the city. They don't usually do that. Luke AFB here is the f-16 training facility, and you can see flights of them any day from anywhere in the metro area if you know what your looking for. Most people never realize they are indeed fighters unless they are going supersonic- then they catch the average persons attention.

I thought they do that at games now. Here, they fly helicopters over the stadium during the start and jets again at half time. Something to entertain the crowds with.

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Poor by choice? Dude you need to get out from in front of the television and out of the blood sport stadiums. Western countries have pilaged one country after another. Look at the Dutch in South Africa. Do you suppose the African oppression was choice. How about the British occupation in India, I'm pretty sure that was not their choice. The list goes on and on. Then we have the oppression of people in this country. Do you suppose the veterans that did their duty in this last pilage that are suffering, some on the streets now, disabled and few resources available to them make this choice for themselves. I volunteer continuously to help people pull themselves up from the circumstances that the apathy in this country allows to be heaped upon them

Originally posted by dntwastetime
I said what i was going to say, take it how you want to, play your games enjoy the distractions all you wish, I am not here to interfere with the fantasyland.

I just do not understand your term "fantasyland". Do you know that soccer puts America football to shame with the sheer numbers and fan devotion involved with it? It is also amazing that the very poorest countries have the biggest fan base, so this is not a scenario of Americans enjoying excessive luxuries as the rest of the world lives in pain and suffering.

I guess we could all down size our living standards to just the very basic needed to survive so we can give 90% of our income to the poor...

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I was raining last night/evening here. Crappy and drizzly all day, the roof was closed on the stadium.

Originally posted by Witness2008

Poor by choice? Dude you need to get out from in front of the television and out of the blood sport stadiums. Western countries have pilaged one country after another. Look at the Dutch in South Africa. Do you suppose the African oppression was choice. How about the British occupation in India, I'm pretty sure that was not their choice.

First, my poor by choice are Americans who are poor, and not the rest of the world's poor. Read my post again.

Also lets get into the 2000s. Those events that I agree with you on are far gone in the past.

The list goes on and on. Then we have the oppression of people in this country. Do you suppose the veterans that did their duty in this last pilage that are suffering, some on the streets now, disabled and few resources available to them make this choice for themselves. I volunteer continuously to help people pull themselves up from the circumstances that the apathy in this country allows to be heaped upon them

READ my post again, I said; those of able mind and body in America that are poor are poor by choice.

I'm not sure your point here other than you cannot read my post right.



[edit on 4-2-2008 by Xtrozero]

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I do not think that the able bodied, hard working people in this country who are losing jobs to the larger profits and bonuses needed by corporate thugs is any choice. This country has a slave mentallity. The easiest way to pretend this is not happening is to pay a lot of money to watch a bunch of men tackle and conquer each other.

Originally posted by Witness2008
I do not think that the able bodied, hard working people in this country who are losing jobs to the larger profits and bonuses needed by corporate thugs is any choice. This country has a slave mentallity. The easiest way to pretend this is not happening is to pay a lot of money to watch a bunch of men tackle and conquer each other.

Hmm unemployment is at about 5% and we have a recession going on. Most of Europe is 7 to 10% steady, so your post has more emotions in it than facts.

Just what is a slave mentallity?

Personally anyone who loses their job and are hard working I would put a lot of effort into teaching them new skills with new directions, but we all know that is just a very small percentage of those who are below the poverty line in America.

How many corporations fall into your corporate thug image? I do agree that there are unscrupulous companies out there, but I can’t say it is a norm.