The Top Secret US Military Space Program. Is The Future Already Here?

I had the opportunity to speak with a former NASA scientist a few weeks ago. During the course of our talk I asked him why they expected us to believe that with all the advances in technology over the last 100yrs, why they expected us to believe it was still necessary to place explosives under our butts to obtain orbit when it is obvious to even casual observers (maybe I am too generous here) that there are other technologies available that don't use nearly as much energy, don't explode, aren't as visible, and are more easily controlled, etc..

I told him I believe that the NASA public projects are an illusion to keep us busy and not believing that our capabilities are far more advanced. He as much agreed without saying so. I was shocked...

And no I won't put his life in danger by revealing who he is to anyone for any reason or price.. He deserves his anonymity and privacy.

reply to post by Netzarim


Yep, it just doesn't make any sense why all things got way more advanced, but the most important thing for spacetravel the rocket still needs fossil fuel. Sounds unbelievable.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
For God's sake, another one of these topics? Are you kidding me?

Let's ask the same simple questions that have been asked in all the OTHER FORUMS here about the same subject and see if you can shed any more light on them.

1. Where do these ships launch from?
2. Where are the eyewitness accounts of these launches? Where are the reports from other countries of launches that weren't predisclosed?
3. Where are they recruiting these secret astronauts from?
4. Where are the pictures of these secret stations in orbit? Why aren't other countries asking about unkown objects in orbit?
5. Why haven't any other countries attempted to put their own secret stations up there to monitor ours?

Start with those, if you can answer them we can hit you with the others that no one else here can answer.

Deny Ignorance, don't embrace it.

[edit on 28/1/08 by COOL HAND]

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Hey Mike!!

I'm just posting this picture here since you commented on it in our other thread:


The Censored 'Comet' over Tsiolkovsky - Apollo 12

Amazing pic, Ex! :coolthumb: That looks like a man made rocket having a conventional propulsion system! There's a thread of mine....
... The Top Secret Military Space Program, where it is alleged that craft like the Nautilus and TAW-50 regularly make secret trips to the Moon and back!

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi

Originally posted by Royal76
The military will always do things to safe guard us

Will the power hungry high ranking officials who are puppets of the presidential administration and wealthy special interest groups and banks always do things to safe guard us? Or will the brave men and women who joined to defend what this country stands for do things to safe guard us?

You are thinking of the every day men and women that have sworn to defend this country and it's people from all enemies when you say "the military". Unfortunately it's not those men and women involved in these multi-billion dollar secret programs. It's the power hungry high ranking officials who are puppets of the presidential administration and wealthy special interest groups and banks.

You aren't thinking ahead enough. Ever heard of the possibility of getting invaded by an advanced alien species? I'm in full support of these secret space defense programs, we never know when we'll need it, and it's better to be prepared then not.

Utah

Good thread well worth a bump

Any Tesla ships involved, I sure would like to see some of those.
I mean how secret are we talking about here.
In those cases the future has been here for a long time.

reply to post by mikesingh


That makes a lot of sense to me. "UFOs" are pieces of military equipment. I think there is little question that President Eisenhower set up NASA to hide a "parallel weapons program" as you put it.

It should be a well known fact that mankind simply cannot afford the massive amounts of currency it would take to actually get space exploration underway. Technology developes so rapidly , that it would be a waste of money to build something like star trek. Simply because we would need a trillion or so dollars ...and it would be out dated by the time of completion.

Could we colonize planets right now? Yes. Could we build a star trek like ship right now? Yes.

Obviously. However , it just isn't worth it right now to do so.

Literally it isn't worth it. Yet.

reply to post by FullySemiNude

That makes a lot of sense to me. "UFOs" are pieces of military equipment. I think there is little question that President Eisenhower set up NASA to hide a "parallel weapons program" as you put it.

Wrong. The military space program was already sailing along at full speed under the direction of the Army; Eisenhower was Army and considered rockets to be artillery. NASA was founded explicitly to develop peaceful space applications that could be shared with the world. Von Braun's military team was capable of lofting America's first satellite months before Sputnik, but Eisenhower insisted that it be done by the civilian agency. During the Cold War, small symbols like this could loom large.

reply to post by DJW001


My point was Eisenhower intentionally wanted to create the impression space=peace when the opposite was, is, and forever shall be the truth. Space is about weapons, weapons, weapons systems, and nothing else. Anything else that is done, peaceful wise, is done to cover for this fact about military activity. So what there is Hubble? That is nothing more than a reconnaissance satellite pointed outward. We would never have gone into space nor would we be in space now were it not for the military objectives. This is one way in which we can be sure Apollo was not real. Real Apollo would have been too big an investment for a cover. Since it is a cover, it must be fake.

reply to post by FullySemiNude

My point was Eisenhower intentionally wanted to create the impression space=peace when the opposite was, is, and forever shall be the truth. Space is about weapons, weapons, weapons systems, and nothing else. Anything else that is done, peaceful wise, is done to cover for this fact about military activity. So what there is Hubble? That is nothing more than a reconnaissance satellite pointed outward. We would never have gone into space nor would we be in space now were it not for the military objectives. This is one way in which we can be sure Apollo was not real. Real Apollo would have been too big an investment for a cover. Since it is a cover, it must be fake.

By this reasoning, the Peace Corps does not exist.

how long will people keep ignoring the fact there is a seceret space fleet we are denied to know about!?

USSS Curtis Lemay and USSS Roscoe Hillencotter

All ELINT systems and satellites (Lotos-S) that compose the Liana constellation could be launched using Angara or another vector, if Soyuz is not deemed satisfyingly reliable for it (the current Soyuz may be retired) all alternatives are more than ready in Russia since quite a long time (Including the "Federatsiya"). The retirement of Soyuz also means the end of Launches from Kourou.

EU military attempts at stalling ELINT/SIGINT systems for early submarine detection has failed !

The Lotos-S series satellites can detect the position of every NATO submarine from space with an accuracy range of ~1 nautical mile.

originally posted by: DJW001
reply to post by FullySemiNude

 

That makes a lot of sense to me. "UFOs" are pieces of military equipment. I think there is little question that President Eisenhower set up NASA to hide a "parallel weapons program" as you put it.

Wrong. The military space program was already sailing along at full speed under the direction of the Army; Eisenhower was Army and considered rockets to be artillery. NASA was founded explicitly to develop peaceful space applications that could be shared with the world. Von Braun's military team was capable of lofting America's first satellite months before Sputnik, but Eisenhower insisted that it be done by the civilian agency. During the Cold War, small symbols like this could loom large.

NASA has and continues to provide meaningful applications for humans on Earth for sure, but NASA literally began operating under a cover story beginning at it's formation, and so there is no logical reason to assume NASA doesn't continue to do so.

When the US government turned NACA into NASA in 1958, NASA was officially formed and immediately began collaborating closely with a photovoltaics company that has remained a critical component in space exploration—SpectroLabs.

SpectroLabs has been the key player in providing photovoltaics for Earth orbiting satellites, satellites, probes, the ISS, rovers, space telescopes, etc...

NASA was a key player in the 1958-1960 Top Secret GRAB and CORONA satellite programs. NASA operated under the cover story of launching satellites/probes for studying solar radiation during this time.

Keep in mind that SectroLabs became a subsidary of Boeing—the same Boeing who was behind the spaceplane DynoSoar reconnaissance and weapons programs with the US Air Force that began in 1957 and supposedly ended in 1963.

Neil Armstrong was originally selected as a candidate in the military DynoSoar program headed by Boeing & the US Air Force.

In 1958, NASA used solar panels supplied by SpectroLabs for Pioneer 1, a satellite that used the two-stage rocket system called, Thor-Able. Thor-Able was under the Thor family—the same expendable rocket launch system family that GRAB and CORONA—including the Discoverer 14, which used Thor-Agena-A. The second stage, Agena, was developed by Lockheed and Discoverer 14 was under DARPA control (DARPA, like NASA was also formed in 1958). 

The GRAB-1 satellite was actually a cover story. It was operated under the cover of GRAB which means, Galactic Radiation and Background, and its real mission being: electronic signals intelligence aka ELINT. It was the first US reconnaissance satellite and was launched with the two-stage rocket system, Thor-Ablestar. This was in 1960 and merely months before the Discoverer 14 satellite was launched which was key in helping to end the Cold War. 

There's also the North American X-15 program that NASA was apart of—a military program.

There is also the Manned Orbiting Laboratory which coincidentally ended in 1969—the same year of the Apollo 11 mission. I find it odd that the MOL was made public early on, and also that it was a successor to the military space program, DynoSoar. The DynoSoar program was cancelled because there was apparently no need for a military presence like that in space. Does it then make logical sense that another military space program like the MOL would be needed if the DynoSoar program wasn't? Nope.

These military programs (that also involved NASA) were funded an ungodly amount of money, but were canceled. Instead, we just sent a few military guys to the moon and they filmed it and broadcasted it live for the people to see. Public space science somehow took priority over the military—just following the Cold War.

All the while, these military space programs were a top priority and seemed essential at the time—but randomly ended, but attention transferred to sending a few military men to the moon, and it was all for the name of science, with absolutely no military operations involved, even though these were military men.

How does that make logical sense? We know NASA began working directly with the DoD beginning at its inception—I fail to see the logic behind Apollo 11 mission and the later Apollo missions to be merely a peaceful public science endeavor considering the facts that surrounded NASA (military) during that time.

Since it's beginning, NASA worked for the military and so there is no logical reason to assume it has not continued to do so.