Could Bob Lazar be who he says he is?

Well, John's almost right on everything, BUT,
Saturn and Jupiter do not exist.
This is disinfo that has been passed down for literal centuries by the reptilians.
Instead the objects we've been seeing are actually massive Space Elephants- Don't let their names deceive you. They're actually more like, space snails.
Regardless, everyone in the know, knows that the Nazi's have secret Space Elephant bases from which they fight off the Greys.

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in 1982 bob was working at Los Alamos Labs

so where we went from there who knows

but Bob WAS actually working at Los Alamos labs

so...



[edit on 25-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
in 1982 bob was working at Los Alamos Labs

That's quite possible. There are contractors who are included in the phone book. About the same time Bob owned two photo finish shops.

I don't know a single scientist who spent more than a few months in his/her field and failed to publish a single paper. That's impossible. You don't get paid if this doesn't happen.

Hi John

Originally posted by johnlear

... might appreciate some clarification/explanation/evidence to back up your pronouncements on the ubiquity of advanced human life in our solar system:

No problem. What kind of clarification/explanation/evidence would you like?

Well you know, something tangible by way of proof that might convince an open-minded skeptic that advanced human-like civilizations actually exist on Jupiter, for example...

The MI/NAZA/DoD has secretly put up about 10 major DEW platforms in orbit over the past 30 years. There may be more than that.

What these offensive DEW's are for is 'protect' us from the grays. Of course this is a joke because nothing can stop the grays and I don't believe their mission (the grays) are evil. They are just caretakers for us containers

Are you familiar with the thousands of corroborative worldwide abductee accounts about the enormous hybrid program? As an example have you met, or do you know, Dr. David Jacobs and his 30+ years of work on this, and have you read his books? If so, for what reason precisely do you think the Grays have engaged in this huge, goal-directed project?

Whatever the truth, the MI/NAZA/DoD intend to 'protect' us or if they can save us from the grays then annihilate us to keep the grays from 'getting' us. Far fetched? You have no idea how screwed things are.

I may not see eye to eye with you on all the details or motives, but I certainly do have some idea how screwed things are.

Thanks for the post, and the interesting responses.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
in 1982 bob was working at Los Alamos Labs

That's quite possible. There are contractors who are included in the phone book. About the same time Bob owned two photo finish shops.

I don't know a single scientist who spent more than a few months in his/her field and failed to publish a single paper. That's impossible. You don't get paid if this doesn't happen.

ok so you have the 1982 phone book to know for sure who's included in it?

and did the scientists working on the atomic bomb produce anything during that time they were working on the atomic bomb? i really doubt it because it all would have been top secret for the safety of the nation

why would lazar or any scientist working on a secret project produce anything for anyone without a clearance?

Originally posted by Grey Basket
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I'll go out on a limb and open up a can of worms here...Where's your proof of that outrageous statement? Without it, you are spreading lies and should be banned for it.

I can see you are frustrated, Grey Basket. By all means, challenge and argue. But I can't imagine John Lear being banned from ATS.

If this site was to do something like that (and I can't imagine the specific circumstances where this would happen) I would be hugely disappointed.

Just to refresh everyone:

More than a slogan and deeper than a mission statement, our members have embraced the motto of "Deny Ignorance" as our reson detre... The result is a unique collaboration of diverse individuals rallying under this simple statement to learn from each other, discover new truths, and imagine new ideas that expand minds...It is a statement against the paradigm. It is a rage against the mindless status-quo.

See About Above Top Secret at the bottom of the page, for the complete mission statement.

I know this is awfully jingoistic of me to publish this, but I like and respect John Lear. I think he is one of the reasons this site is so fascinating.

(Sorry to be so effusive. I know it can be disgusting. )

EDIT: Back on topic -- I am not sure if the Bob Lazar story is 100% true, but before you can deny ignorance, you have to have a lot of info. A WHOLE LOT, from many different sources. Even if the Lazar story was completely false, you have to admit this is a really cool exercise in human psychology, huh?

[edit on 25-1-2008 by Buck Division]

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
and did the scientists working on the atomic bomb produce anything during that time they were working on the atomic bomb? i really doubt it because it all would have been top secret for the safety of the nation

There were no claims whatsoever that Bob was working on a weapons program while at LANL. He allegedly worked at the meson physics facility, and it's not a classified apparatus at all, and neither is research done there.

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He would've had to at least have something published in order to receive his PhD. So, there should be at least one article out there by him.

This link lists sources of info on Lazar and his alleged credentials:

www.ufo.it...

Not that on this site, sympathetic to Lazar's claims, the Los Alamost Meson Physics Facility, widely known as LAMPF, is never properly called its name, it's either "Meson Facility" or "Meson Particle Facility", based on Lazar's own words. That's telling.
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I think the point was to those comments, is that NO Proof, nothing comes from some pretty outrageous claims. And on top when asked about it only sarcasm is given back in most cases from what I have seen. If ANY OTHER normal vanilla member did this on an on going basis they would be banned. or at least put into skunk works. But basically it sound very hoaxish to me as it does to a large number of members on ATS and I think ATS should re think how John uses his time her and how is responds to members. I am one for the proof is in the pudding. All I see are very very outlandish stories followed only with wise @ss comments for those who want answers, Sounds pretty ignorant to me... Oh you said something about denying something? What was that... ummm ahhI can't remember. =) J/K

Originally posted by ShiftTrio
reply to post by Buck Division

 

All I see are very very outlandish stories followed only with wise @ss comments for those who want answers, Sounds pretty ignorant to me... Oh you said something about denying something? What was that... ummm ahhI can't remember. =) J/K

Ouch. I guess I stand corrected.

After making my post, I did some more research in the recent posts, and I get what you are talking about. Very clearly.

I guess I am just under the spell of a local celebrity. I still like John Lear.

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
I don't know either way if he's real or a fraud, but sighting no one remembers graduating with him doesn't prove anything either. I'm sure no one would remember me very well if at all at my colleges either. So does that mean I never went too?

I agree

I'm only 28. I only remember the names of two teachers I had. I also run into people I went to school with a lot and I remember their names and everything and a good 98% have no clue who I am when I ask if they remember me.

Just because people don't remember the guy, that doesn't mean he never went to that particular school. He could have been like me and been a very quiet person. You also need to think about how many students teachers/professors go through in their lives. They're not going to remember every student.

The only two teachers I remember by name are the only two I've run into who remember me. They was the only teachers I ever respected in my entire life because they actually cared about teaching.

It's also very easy to erase past school records. It doesn't have to be done by the government. When I first got into computers in high school and I got access to their systems, I saw how easy it is to make records vanish like they never existed. I never erased anything, I'm not that stupid I'm just saying it's not hard at all to erase someones records.

Originally posted by Question
Now, I have often heard here from some ATSers that Bob Lazar is a phony, a fake, a con man, and in fact even many skeptics on documentaries say so as well.

Yet, these are the same people who will claim almost ANYBODY to be a hoax if they provide information that is unsubstantiated by mass-media or status quo approval.

If Bob Lazar was lying, he is a genius. If he was telling the truth, he is still a genius, and people will still be skeptics to his information. Either way, the skeptics will always remain skeptics.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
and did the scientists working on the atomic bomb produce anything during that time they were working on the atomic bomb? i really doubt it because it all would have been top secret for the safety of the nation

There were no claims whatsoever that Bob was working on a weapons program while at LANL. He allegedly worked at the meson physics facility, and it's not a classified apparatus at all, and neither is research done there.

so you know this? you work there and you can walk in there and you know for sure there is nothing classified there?

i know there is no claims of weapons, but to say that it needs to be a weapon to have a clearance, all nuclear sub people have a clearance i have been told by navy people recently, i never said it was a weapon, i just said clearance

also you never said anything about that 1982 phone book do you have it? how do you know who's in it?

also what about the news paper he was in, Los Alamos had it's own? and there is Lazar talking about his love of w/e in the paper

so he was at Los Alamos working on something

nobody has mentioned the pay stub or w/e bob produced from the navy proving he did get paid at a time by the navy

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"United Nuclear's site also advertises a prototype kit for adapting normal road vehicles to run on hydrogen power. The company says the kits are on hold due to the actions of the Consumer Product Safety Commission."

Bob seems to be smart enough



[edit on 25-1-2008 by OSSkyWatcher]

regarding paper trails for secret government projects...one of the golden rules of keeping secrets is to never write anything down -- and if you do, destroy it afterwards.

conceivably, this is what could happen with lots, if not all these black projects...perform the recordkeeping by some other function, other than typewritten pages...and if any documents are produced, destroy them. i believe this happened partially with the roswell incident....the national archives stated that a lot of the written records concerning the dates in question were destroyed for "unknown" reasons.

i just thought i'd bring this point up to offer a different perspective regarding a lack of a papertrail concerning bob's claims.

Originally posted by Nohup
Nobody, including Mr. Lear, has produced any direct evidence of such a huge secret space industry, which one would reasonably imagine would create a huge paper trail.

*yawn* You know what they say when you assume things right?

I love how the only thing skeptics can rely on is their own disbelief. They demand physical evidence for things that are inherently beyond our reach.

This is called conspiracy theory, people. It's not for the cookie cutter status quo mainstream fodder that seems to be overwhelming this site.

Believe it or not, secrets CAN be kept from the public, and very well. Cry for paper trails all you want.

I would sooner trust John Lear than the current white house administration or ANY of the Nazis running this country into the ground. But I know plenty of skeptics who are completely unaware that such government infiltration even exists. That's how it goes.

He is no doubt a smart guy. But I dont think he did much more than take out the trash (if that) at groom lake. If his story was true he would not be the only one to come out so openly. Money makes ANYBODY weak. I dont care what you have signed. CIA spooks write books all the time that could make them "vanish" The USAF is full of leaks.......At this point we would have video of the guys flying the thing if it were real. IMHO But who knows, at this point the whole story is such a mess the truth has long since took a vacation.

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher

Originally posted by buddhasystem
There were no claims whatsoever that Bob was working on a weapons program while at LANL. He allegedly worked at the meson physics facility, and it's not a classified apparatus at all, and neither is research done there.

so you know this? you work there and you can walk in there and you know for sure there is nothing classified there?

Yes, I visited Los Alamos in 1994 and I could walk into LAMPF if I wanted to, but I never cared, I was there for a different experiment. It's in the non-classified area of LANL. I've worked for 6 years at another government lab and I know the arrangements fairly well.

also you never said anything about that 1982 phone book

do you have it? how do you know who's in it?

No, I don't have the book but I read claims that Lazar's name was in it, which doesn't mean that much to me (we have contractors as well who are not listed).

Bob seems to be smart enough

Nobody ever saif he was dumb, by the way. His physics is lacking and he has a penchant for borrowing money and not repaying it, but heck, that's probably what real smart people do!

I can't relate to people who say they can't remember who they went to college with as an undergrad but having said this, I CAN most definitely relate to graduate school because most of us by then are already too busy with our own lives to socialize outside of our classes. So in this regard, I can perfectly understand Lazar's predicament very clearly.

As for those names of those professor's I had throughout it all... complete amnesia with the exception of two I can think of off hand at this moment but only because they were already well known outside of the academic world.


[edit on 25-1-2008 by Palasheea]

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
i know there is no claims of weapons, but to say that it needs to be a weapon to have a clearance, all nuclear sub people have a clearance i have been told by navy people recently, i never said it was a weapon, i just said clearance

Everyone on a nuclear sub crew has at the minimum a secret clearance, including the cooks and supply officer. Many of the enlisted have top secret clearance. Some have TS/SCI. All of the line officers have TS/SCI.

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
so he was at Los Alamos working on something

I don't believe there is any dispute he worked at Los Alamos. But what he did there is in question. He claimed to be a staff physicist. The evidence points to him being a technician affiliated with a subcontractor.

Originally posted by OSSkyWatchernobody has mentioned the pay stub or w/e bob produced from the navy proving he did get paid at a time by the navy

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Officially the DNI became the ONI during WWII. What's the conspiracy with these pay stubs ? They seem anachronistic. The idea of part time contract work, for such small amounts, appears unusual.