Mars-Gate!!??

The parking garage one (the square cutout in the hill structure) was fairly explained away to my satisfaction, as a a shadow from a rock protrusion. I will have to find the thread.

It seems hard to believe, I know, partly because it looks so 'perfect' and square and man-made like, but it isn't.

This image is what I'm talking about:




[edit on 4-4-2008 by battlestargalactica]

Correction above 2004,not 2005. Seen one second after posting. I look for symetry. For example the 2 creatures in this overhead reflector hazcam shot both have 2 eyes,but the one on YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE(bordered above the black rectangle) is easier to se because the eye holes are closer together,and it has an almost child-like animal appearance,somewhat cartoonish.The other animal is more distorted by the curve of the overhead reflector and its eyes are wider apart making it look more monstrous and harder to see.We even tend to block out what we deem as UGLY and approach images which to us look more beautiful,and so less PAINFUL and HARD to look at.You'll get more people to report seeing the cute pretty little face than they will the big wide ugly face.We tend to approach what we like and shun what we dislike,so our own predispositions effect what we "see". Mars rover Spirit original design 1987 Jerry Lehane III

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Dude, you lost me.

In any case, still looking for the square cutout notched mountain image ATS thread, anyone have a link to it?

marsrover.nasa.gov... Same pic as Mars Transport vehicle is an unexpected find of 2 TINY MARTIANS. They are bright white and hard to see detail in center of big yellow circle.

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Good work vze you have NASAs number and they know it and be prepared for an on slot of disinformation agents to try to discredit your findings. They do not want this info out and like I say I will bet my life there is life on Mars because I see it as well as you.

NASA has known life existed since the Viking missions and the black opps knew life existed way before those missions. The human population on Earth is treated like step children and not told the truth about life on Mars and many of the planets and moons in our solar system.

The Phoenix mission I believe will discover microbial lifeforms on the surface of Mars watch and see what I tell you. This will be a successful mission because you know who is on the surface to make sure everything goes as planed. Rik Riley





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I see a perfect "X" marks the spot and 4 impressions possibly drawn in or lander pad (footprint) impressions. On the end of the "X" may be an arrow pointing to the dirction of the cave.I tried to darken the image for contrast to get more of the "X" at the expense of losing other details.I saw less exquisite "X's" at first glance nearby,and some other DOTS/symetrically spaced impressions. I think the "X's" are a universal marker for a landing site,even stranded accident survivors instinctively make in sand,snow,mud,2 criss-crossed trees overlapped, so that search-planes can spot them. The "X" so close to a cave opening is like a lock and key.Johnbro pages of incredible Mars finds.

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Dude, please. Two people in the entire world....you and one other....see things in these pictures. I'm starting to worry about you. You keep dumping these oddly manipulated images here, and while the effort is appreciated, I think most posters are simply too polite to say......what the?????

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I see your X and to the right of the rectangular entry where the blue arrow points is the huge cursive black letter E.

A wise man told me that things you can see may not be seen by others because their mind blinds them from seeing things you can see. The wise man was my grandfather many years ago. Rik Riley

Originally posted by vze2xjjk
ArMap,just so you know nasa masks the images...they made that photo original SO DARK I knew they were hiding something.

Does that mean that the light images are not masked? You have to do better than that to convince me.

That's why I BOTHERED to lighten it and find the anomaly/vehicle.

Do you consider that a bother?

There's nothing wrong with concealing evidence,right?

There is obviously something wrong when someone, anyone, conceals evidence, in the same way that not showing evidence of what we say may have something wrong with it too.

Just make it darker and they'll never bother to look behind the masking.

Those that really want to look "bother" to adjust the light levels, and some (like me) also go to the "extreme" of using the IMG files that do not suffer from the JPEG compression artifacts like those you use.

It gives you faith in Nasa,doesn't it?

No, but it does not make me loose faith in NASA either, that looks just like a normal dark photo, and remember that a dark photo from the rovers may not mean a dark reality, it depends on the filters used. A perfectly red object will appear as black on a photo taken with a blue or a green filter and it will appear as white on a photo taken with a red filter.

And I don't think that is an object, much less a vehicle, it looks like the other lighter patches of ground on that area.

This is the same area (more or less) taken from the IMG file. I only changed the light levels, there was no loss of data.


This is the same, resized to the triple of its original size.


PS: As I do many times, while I was writing this post I kept looking for more images of that "feature" (I take too much time to write my posts ), and I found that in the next Sol, 106, there is a photo of the same area but much lighter.

Here it is, and as before I only changed the light levels.


300% resize

Johnbro's Parking Garage open 25 hrs. per day. Look for the ARROW. It's on the "X" marks the spot pointing to the cave(neg image).

Originally posted by vze2xjjk
Look for the ARROW.

There's 4 arrows and 2 X's in the first image....?????

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That is funny MrPenny, there are some amazing photos taken by the many satellite missions and many unseen discoveries waiting to be found. All input appreciated. Rik Riley

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You are correct there are 25 hours in a day on Mars compared to 24 hours on Earth and many have not even given that a thought. Daylight savings time on Mars an extra hour to play golf LOL. Rik Riley

OK, found the ATS thread for the following image:



Some say its a hole some say its a shadow...Maybe we can nail this one down this time in this thread shall we?

Here's the thread, but it really doesn't come to any hard conclusions or uncover any definite evidence.

ATS thread, "Strange Object Found, Mars":
www.abovetopsecret.com...

tep200377 posted the following image analysis:

Its a shadow, look at the shadows all around the map. You will then see that this is a pillar tha makes a shadow that looks like a square.

added curves to the image and enhanced the darken area, you will there see the structure in the shadow.

►So I think we can narrow it down to the following choices, which ones do you subscribe to, and please support your answers with some analysis, thanks!

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(a) It is an 'intelligently' created entrance (ie: aliens)

(b) It is a naturally formed 'hole' that just appears to be more rectilinear than actual due to shadows and angle of incidence?

(c) It is not a hole at all, but an outcropping or other natural formation, thus forming a square shaped shadow?

(d) It is Nasa trickery, airbrushed or a blacked out, redacted area?

(e) Other.

(f) All of the above.

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No cheating on this exam!



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From the pic I get signs of holograms as markers beond simple "x's" and "Arrows". If you are in the air above this structure a mile in the sky and moving,you'd want some guidelines "bigger than a billboard" to direct you to a landing target/think landing strip without the runway. The animals faces are not animals we are familiar with,and not in the easiest wavelengths for us to see the holograms clearly.This is so subjective and tentative and new. Getting inside the mind /POV of an alien airpilot is another way of looking at it.You want to be able to see the destination in a sandstorm.If you ever have seen instances of these holograms on Earth's Moon,then you know we are late in the game.

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They're holograms now, are they? I thought they were layered images caused by NASA transmitting multiple layers of information on one band?

Generally the rule of thumb is that the LIVE ones face the rover/cam. So if you see faces looking right back at you,they'd be close enough to be picked up by the rovers. When the heads all line up in the same horizontal plane with heads up 90 degrees from ground(eyes parallel and bodies perpendicular to the ground)then most likely they are side by side in the same frame of a ground-based rover pic.That's an overlap when it appears in one of these sat shots,usually. You can find that out by turning the pic 90 degrees several times for best fit of angle and look how the eyes line up along the same horizontal plane. The other faces would more likely be the holograms(not looking at cam/or having no visible eyes). Look especially at the TOP pic of the "Drawing look" of a bulbous snake head with saw blade-like teeth,that happens to be like a beacon drawing on TOP of the mound,high visibility,but not shown by original NASA version without tweaking into view. That's definitely not a live animal looking at a rover cam,but is artificial. The mouth is oriented toward the cave opening coincidentally.Random chance,with all those ARROWS and "X's" at the BASE of the opening? Gives me some indication that hole is very real,an entrance/exit of some sort. I don't see a "natural" square shadow,perfectly rectangular starting at the ground. Looks more like a doorway.

Generally the rule of thumb is that the LIVE ones face the rover/cam. So if you see faces looking right back at you,they'd be close enough to be picked up by the rovers. When the heads all line up in the same horizontal plane with heads up 90 degrees from ground(eyes parallel and bodies perpendicular to the ground)then most likely they are side by side in the same frame of a ground-based rover pic.That's an overlap when it appears in one of these sat shots,usually. You can find that out by turning the pic 90 degrees several times for best fit of angle and look how the eyes line up along the same horizontal plane. The other faces would more likely be the holograms(not looking at cam/or having no visible eyes). Look especially at the TOP pic of the "Drawing look" of a bulbous snake head with saw blade-like teeth,that happens to be like a beacon drawing on TOP of the mound,high visibility,but not shown by original NASA version without tweaking into view. That's definitely not a live animal looking at a rover cam,but is artificial. The mouth is oriented toward the cave opening coincidentally.Random chance,with all those ARROWS and "X's" at the BASE of the opening? Gives me some indication that hole is very real,an entrance/exit of some sort. I don't see a "natural" square shadow,perfectly rectangular starting at the ground. Looks more like a doorway.

I don't see any arrows, although I see what may be considered as crosses on the ground.

But why use those degraded images when we can have the original, at 100% zoom, 30.9 cm/pixel?



These are the result of a false HDR*, the first one was made with the normal image, the second one was made with a sharpened image.






*These are false HDR images because they were made with the same image with different light levels, a true HDR image should be made with different images, each taken to maximise the visibility of some area of the photo.

Damn the torpedoes... and naysayers, VZE - RikRiley. I applaud your looking into this to the extent that you do. I have looked at those pics hundreds of times... never realized the details that you have... until you so adeptly pointed it out to us. Personally, I am greatly hoping that you will continue... regardless of public opinion... which is ultimately, constantly shifting back and forth - fickle at best.

One day... quite a few people may very well owe you an appology. I don't know how accurate this all ultimately is... but it is increasingly intriguing.... and I am greatly enjoying the entertainment of it... if nothing else. When 'coincidences' repeatedly present themselves.... now into the hundreds of times... when does their status change??

Until you are officially their shepherd... you can't expect this flock to follow you. But they keep coming back to insult your research. Feels almost creepy when they return 20 or 30 times. In 'real life' - it seems akin to 'Stalking' - in my opinion.

If these 'geniouses' think it is so much non-sense... why do they so regularly return. Are they appointing themselves guardian of the 'gullible and impressionable ignorant masses' - that they fear might be mis-lead by your proposals?? How huge would these detractor's egos have to be??

My only guess is... due to the fact that they do not possess the mental facilities to launch an interesting quest on their own... that they go about the business of attempting to destroy the efforts of others. A medieval mindset... at best. Just really jealous... and overall... scared of people like you, VZE.

Very good efforts, gentleman. Regardless.

jb