Princess Diana's Death and the Liar Mason?

Originally posted by masonwatcher
WRONG. Freemasonry is not like any other private organization save for perhaps Common Purpose. No other organizations such as community groups and charities admit to have secrets but obnoxiously claim not be a secret society.

What about the, uhmmmm.... Independent Order of Odd Fellows?

the Grand United Order of Odd Fellows?
The United Ancient Order of Druids?
The Knights of Pythias?
The Knights of Columbus?
The Order of Red Men?
The Ancient Order of Hibernians?
The Independent Order of Foresters?
The Knights of the Maccabees?
The Woodmen of the World?
The Ancient United Order of Workmen?
The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers?
The List Goes On!

Rituals. Handshakes. Signs. SECRETS ! ! ! !

Is there conspiracy afoot? Could be! But why solely blame the Masons?

Methinks the Odd Fellows a bit Odd indeed! Perchance you should take a closer look masonwatcher! In fact, you could become Oddfellowwatcher!

What other groups of colluding people adopt subterfuge and ritual to announce their presence to other members they do not know yet in the public arena with the use of hands signs and foot placements?

See above. (Subterfuge, huh? Interesting.)

Who are Freemasons conspiring against?

Whom indeed? Got any ideas?

I would say that Freemasonry is more about graft rather than craft.

Why would you say that?

When was the last time you gave a funny handshake to a stonecutter?

As for myself, I'd have to say never. And I'd have to say that for two reasons. One, in 40 years, I don't think I've ever MET a stonecutter (not that I knew of anyway) and two, I NEVER give "funny handshakes" NEVER. Why would I? Why would anyone?

Why is it that every single anti-masons claims he has been "invited"? They all project masonry as such an evil institution, and claim things that are incredibly fantastical. Yet, for all their zeal to bash the institution, create elaborate websites, etc. they can't find it in themselves to join and "expose" us for what we're apparently "really" up to. Does anyone else find that interesting? They have all of this fantastical information about what masons really do and are determined to bring it to light, yet don't ever join even though they have been "invited."

I am a fairly new mason compared to some of the brethren here (years as opposed to tens of years). I can honestly say I never give the handshake outside of lodge. Why not? I forget, its never been needed - anyone I've met who was a mason either loved to talk about it or had a ring. I even met one who had a T-SHIRT (I kid you not) that said "Freemason." I kind of wanted one, it would be interesting to wear to the National Treasure II movie I've yet to meet anyone who thought I was a fakemason for not giving EVERYONE the 3rd degree handshake.

[edit on 19-1-2008 by LightinDarkness]

I can only describe your post as fantastic, and while I have very little desire to feed your alternative reality I just can't believe the material emanating from your overactive imagination.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Imagine if you will such a signal telegraphed, in deceit, in a court of law to a Masonic judge or witness. What are the consequences and who benefits?

Yes, I have just imagined that. It was hard to imagine because a freemason is obligated not to act in this manner, but I just about managed to imagine it. So what.

Oaths and Masonic allegiances under penalties of eviscerations are sworn to by all masons; it is irrelevant if this commitment is made in jest or as an archaic ritual, the contract is fixed and the intent is clear to all.

As you peel back the layers of your fantasy world you reveal the extent of the sand on which you have built your castle. No masonic allegiances are sworn by freemasons, either in reality or in jest, and if you believe this you have entirely misunderstood the masonic obligations. Now why I not surprised by that?

Lodges are constantly looking for good and competent people to join..

This is quite certainly true, but rather undermines the assertion that you have been asked to join, wouldn't you say?

Patently untrue Trinityman. Lists may or may not include the real names of the members. They also tend to only show the names of officers.

No, they show the true names of members. Feel free to give me an example of an alias. I have up-to-date provincial handbooks from Warwickshire, Buckinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire and an older one from Surrey. Go right ahead and pull an example from any of these, or indeed the GL publication listing all the Grand Officers.

I can easily see why a frustrated anti-mason, having failed to find any evidence that Tony Blair is a freemason (for example) would simply turn around and claim that he is listed at A. Smith in the directory, but without any evidence to back it up this is just nonsense, and rather disrespectful to the real A. Smith.

... Tony - the Rosicrucian - Blair...

Er... unlikely. Not that the Rosicrucians have anything to do with freemasonry anyway, but there is no evidence that I know of to suggest he is a Rosicrucian. Care to prove me wrong?

From what you say, it ought to be easy to find out who is the Masonic Grand Master of England. There is nothing cryptic about my comment. I am putting to you that ranking FMs tend to have aliases as in false names not internet handles. That, in itself, is deception.

I know perfectly well who the "Masonic Grand Master of England" is (not sure you do though), but I have no idea why you might want to call him Brazilian, and why you are suggest aliases are being used. Certainly cryptic, and definitely obfuscatory.

Perhaps you could in the first instance define for me your understanding of what constitutes a "ranking" freemason, and then give me an example of someone with a published alias in a masonic directory. That would go some considerable way toward convincing me. Without any examples this is just another masonwatcher fantasy.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Imagine if you will such a signal telegraphed, in deceit, in a court of law to a Masonic judge or witness. What are the consequences and who benefits?

Having watched videos of this supposed "signal" I can tell you the consequences and benefits if this were to happen in a U.S. criminal court:

First off, the accused would have to be unfettered - not in handcuffs or shackles - because it's very difficult to do jumping jacks while in chains (and from the videos, that's exactly what the 'signal' looks like).

Once the accused began this exercise regimen, the big burly bailiffs would tackle the accused, handcuff him, pepperspray him, hogtie him, and remove him from the courtroom. These would be the consequences.

The big burly bailiffs would be the people 'who benefit' because they got to work out all that pent up aggression that builds inside of them as they stand around drinking coffee all day and watching bad people on their best behaviour.

Hope that clears things up.

Your pal,
Meat.

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Interesting my posting keep getting removed without explanation.

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MW interesting post. However, I can see that the 'brethren' here require some documentary evidence before they will believe you. However, there are people out there who have accrued considerable evidence over the years. for example, you mentioned Second Family UK:

Link to Second Family

20 years ago, before a group of strange incidents happened to me I found two catechism cards belonging to Lodge 1222 in my garage with evidence of the stuff in the garage being searched roughly. This is an existing Lodge in Glasgow - Lodge Govanhill No. 1222 - I took it as a warning of who was responsible for subsequent gangstalking events.

Link to Toryglen Lodge

Originally posted by Heronumber0
However, I can see that the 'brethren' here require some documentary evidence before they will believe you.

Actually, I would just settle for reasoned argument. There's more than a hint of the 'Von Danikens' about the whole thing - create a hypothesis and then cast around for evidence to back it up.

However, there are people out there who have accrued considerable evidence over the years. for example, you mentioned Second Family UK:

Link to Second Family

I didn't see any evidence on that website, just a very grumpy and somewhat embittered author.

Oh... and these splendid snippets:

"The queen is the Grand Patroness of World Freemasonry"

"If you know any Masonic families, the whole family will have an "A" in their christian names. The only exception if they already have an "A" in their surname."

"Do not EVER believe one word that comes out of any Freemason's mouth, period. We have comprehensive proof that they will deliberately lie to protect their criminal activities. This is not a gripe or fabrication by Second Family UK, this is now a fact."

And what about this?

"There is a large conspiracy website called Above Top Secret. SF has sent them 7 emails to ask why they keep removing our articles ? No reply from them. We know of several FM trolls who regularly post there. We hope it is not just another FM disinformation site. Please post something anti-Masonic and let us know how you go on."

20 years ago, before a group of strange incidents happened to me I found two catechism cards belonging to Lodge 1222 in my garage with evidence of the stuff in the garage being searched roughly. This is an existing Lodge in Glasgow - Lodge Govanhill No. 1222 - I took it as a warning of who was responsible for subsequent gangstalking events.

This is absolutely amazing! So you are saying that someone broke into your garage and left secret ritual information behind - the very same secret ritual information that masons have promised never to reveal under pain of death (allegedly)!!!

Sounds like someone broke into your garage and planted evidence to make you think the freemasons did it! Only they screwed up by leaving a "calling card" a real freemason would never leave.

Link to Toryglen Lodge

What's this got to do with the above?

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Trinityman, the initial gangstalking was performed by members of the public using signs in front of me to alert each other - the hands would draw certain shapes in the air: Circle, Square, Triangle. People would alert each other by holding out their arms at a 90 degree angle to their bodies etc..

I asked a friend about this and he told me who these people were. Apparently coincidental events ensured to inform me that there was a community of people involved in a conspiracy. For example the University Libarary books on Freemasonry were in French or German. Moreover, the computer crashed halfway during a search and did not come on all day.

The character of this has subtly changed over the years but I believe that members of cults/covens and Freemasons would be only too happy to supplement their incomes with a bit of stalking. I am sure that non-members may also get involved for a bit of cash.

The catechism cards seemed genuine but I could not find more information on the Lodge than a snippet from the Toryglen Lodge showing that the Govanhill Lodge was in existence in 1987 and is probably still running now.

The Second Family UK are bitter and disgruntled but they claim to have video evidence of gangstalking so they may have some credence.

Listen, I don't hate you guys., I have still got a life to live and I intend to live it regardless. I also treat all people fairly and 'take them as they come'. hate does not enter into the equation. Life is too short for that. I won't ever join you guys though...

Originally posted by Heronumber0
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Trinityman, the initial gangstalking was performed by members of the public using signs in front of me to alert each other - the hands would draw certain shapes in the air: Circle, Square, Triangle. People would alert each other by holding out their arms at a 90 degree angle to their bodies etc..

[snip]

Listen, I don't hate you guys., I have still got a life to live and I intend to live it regardless. I also treat all people fairly and 'take them as they come'. hate does not enter into the equation. Life is too short for that. I won't ever join you guys though...

Hi Heronumber0

Thanks for your response.

You may very well be being gangstalked - obviously I don't know you or your situation. What I do is freemasonry - what it is and what it gets up to. I can categorically with almost complete certainty tell you that the activity you describe is not masonic, sanctioned by any official masonic body or in any way indicative of the activities that freemasons get up to. Freemasonry simply isn't about gangstalking.

Furthermore I would very very very surprised if any freemasons were freelance gangstalkers on their own time, but of course I guess this is possible, however implausible I might think it to be.

It could also be a third party masquerading as freemasons, maybe MI5 or some other covert group. I don't know why they might do this, but I guess it's possible.

Or you could be paranoid - this too is possible.

The catechism cards seemed genuine but I could not find more information on the Lodge than a snippet from the Toryglen Lodge showing that the Govanhill Lodge was in existence in 1987 and is probably still running now.

I agree it is probably still running - I am acquainted with a mason on-line who is a member of Govanhill Royal Arch Chapter.

The Second Family UK are bitter and disgruntled but they claim to have video evidence of gangstalking so they may have some credence.

If such evidence exists there will likely be no link between it and freemasonry. Do let me know if this evidence ever emerges.

Originally posted by Heronumber0
20 years ago, before a group of strange incidents happened to me I found two catechism cards belonging to Lodge 1222 in my garage with evidence of the stuff in the garage being searched roughly. This is an existing Lodge in Glasgow - Lodge Govanhill No. 1222 - I took it as a warning of who was responsible for subsequent gangstalking events.
Link to Toryglen Lodge

I didn't sleep well last night so my mind's a bit foggy this morning.

Let me get this straight, Heronumber0.

You're telling us that THESE guys were "gangstalking" you?

mastermason.com...

(Hey, YOU posted the link!)

Honestly, they don't look so foreboding to me. In fact, "nerdish" comes to mind.

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Mate, I have gone over every detail in my mind a million times. That is why I posted this stuff in this esteemed forum. However, I have stated before that I think these are organised gangs - possibly by MI5 - with groups of individuals joining in at some point for a bit of financial reward. The list could include Masons, covens, other Masonic affiliated groups, eg. Rosy Cross, OTO etc...

My God they look nerdy don't they?

Originally posted by Heronumber0
My God they look nerdy don't they?

Especially the Treasurer!

He reminds me of one of the characters in Revenge of the Nerds.

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in the book 1984 no one dies? (unbiased person, neither like nor dislike group)