Why Reptilians??

Hey I am a pretty open minded guy and I love going into obscure out-there subjects (especially if it has a following) and figuring out what it's all about and if it makes any sense. I was recently introduced to the reptilian conspiracy idea, and I have just one question: why reptilians? Why must they be reptiles? I've seen the youtube videos with the reptilian eyes of Bush Sr in the tsunami relief thing on Larry King Live with Bill Clinton, and his eyes do appear to change into slits and I have paused this and it is not a reflection of the light as his eyes return to normal after he blinks while in the same position (about 4 seconds in), and also the tooth that morphs at about 1:48. I don't think it is edited but CNN would not allow the video to play for some reason. Also the creepy voice that the fox debate moderator suddenly reverted to and said 'their way'.

So I am thinking that something is up, but I need someone to explain to me, why must they be reptiles? I can't seem to find a decent explanation, as most google hits are either completely whacked out or ridiculing the idea.

Genesis 3:14

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

The "mythos" of reptilians goes back to the Bible. The question you should be asking yourself is why did God say "upon thy belly shalt thou go"? This would mean that the serpent was not on it's belly before God cursed it. The image we've all come to know of a snake telling Eve to eat the apple is false. Only after God cursed the serpent for doing what it did, did it turn into a snake.

Peace

Originally posted by italkyoulisten
I have just one question: why reptilians? Why must they be reptiles?

Because they are cute and fuzzy - oh, uh reptiles, right...

Seriously though why not reptiles.
I will say that lots of legends have reptiles in them that have gone on for centuries.
So that is one reason. The snake in the garden, the serpent the devil, the dragon in China...this is not a new phenomenon at all.

What may give it discredit is the youtube videos, but really people are only trying to find answers to why these legends persist over millennia. Yet many people are hard and shut down on these folks and insist that aliens are definitely not reptilian.

Well, first of all, they would have no clue.
They base things on Roswell, what was that the 50's with the grey phenomenon, and the little green men. (hmmm, green...) While ignoring the centuries of tales of reptilians etc.

The fact is we dont have a clue...well, we do and thats why its discussed, but we dont have any evidence in front of our faces. (Auntie Em just aint shape shifting for me.)

What I have written, time and again, to no avail (of course people are set in their ways so what does it matter saying anything), but to say there are no reptilian aliens is as silly as saying there is. Until we explore the whole universe we aint gonna know jack squat about potential life forms that may resemble Elvis for all we know. - Hey, so Elvis is still alive, just on a different planet.

So open minds, and this does not mean having to believe everything. There seems to be that fine line that most everyone overlooks.

Personally I have no problem with the idea of reptilians. For all I know, I might be related to them. Let see, I like the warm weather on a sunny beach.

What hangs even more people up is the idea of shapeshifting reptilians.
For crying out loud, we cant have that...oh no. We dont understand how it could be possible, so this goes in the bin with the fairy tales. (Ironically, these folks believe in what you could call fairy tales. A man rising from the dead, talking snakes in the garden of Eden...again, this is not my stance, just making a point. Of course many will argue that is a bunch of hog wash to...to these people only the things they think they know is good enough. Until the world slaps it in their face and they wake up...no imagination whatsoever.)

Now to each their own, and they have that right for sure, and trying to convince them to not believe in the idea, but to even consider it until proven otherwise, is a futile task.

The likes of David Icke (while many quickly dismiss him as if he is insane or a good marketer to get money), he got a lot of info from stories that came long before you and I grew up. How much has he tailored to his own way of thought...who knows and who cares.

And I will tell you why this is irrelevant. We cant see the forest for all the trees.
Get hung up in details. The point isnt what someone does (the exact details of the alien agenda per-say), but the point is that it even exist and what does this imply? (Beyond stating the obvious.) Taking information beyond the fear based and the norm and utilizing it to generate to creative thought to move forward.

So in the end, for all we know, reptilians are shape-shifting aliens who rule the governments of this world and we dont know about their agenda. This is fine. Far fetched? Maybe, but would we know the difference if this was true? If someone so advanced was here to deceive us?

For so long the mass of mankind (even into the this century) believes in demons and ghost...those who would throw a book at you for believing in reptilians who shapeshift, in the same time believe in whispering ghost stuck inbetween some time dimension.
Am I knocking this? No, but pointing out yet again the lack of ability for the sheep of mankind (thats basically all of us) to think beyond what is accepted and taught in our collective milieus.

Those who can think out the box are the ones who run things.
See, does it matter what they are? They could be cute little pink bunnies...but if they think out the box, they can rule the mass of mankind any day.

Peace my friend

dAlen

[edit on 14-1-2008 by dAlen]

Yea, but the whole fear of reptiles and such in human history is pretty soundly founded upon the whole dangerous/poisonous properties of most reptiles. This is similar to the fact that people are afraid of spiders and scorpions, which also have been referenced to many times in many ancient texts.

But I do have to admit that it was very peculiar that Bush Sr. seemingly had a membrane that blinked across his eye from the side and the mysterious morphing tooth. However, I still don't think you should jump to conclusions and say that it is because he is a reptilian.

Here is the reason why. However I'd like to point out I know the "reptilian consparicy" is compleate BullShiet.

I've studied ancient cultures for some time now. At the basic core of mostly all ancient cultures, or all ancient cultures, ancient cultures is being defined of that which people have been grouped together far into the human's history.

If you think of all humankind's history as a "Day" there was a Dawn point.

At that Dawn point there is facts backing up the history and speculative natured debate that is the reptilian consparicies.

It's safe to assume understanding that beings were introduced to mankind. These beings went throughout all the world's people and mated into their bloodlines. This spawned off a mythology phenomenon accross all the ancient cultures of the world. At the base of all these mythos is a discription of a reptilian like being.

This is where the "reptilian" and the "why reptilies" comes from.

I've only lately been speculating on the facts behind the discription.

Classic Grey Alien Beings have been discribed as having very smooth and seemingly unweathered skin. Perhaps it is safe to assume that if they were removed from their normal biosphier, their ships, and made to live upon the earth, thier skin might just turn scallie and feathered, as the ancient discriptives sudgest. Though again this is one very basic speculation.


Nonetheless, at the roots of human society is the story that is also hidden within the bible of some superhuman race of beings coming down and setting up some sort of kingdom on the world and also mateing with humans.

Originally posted by italkyoulisten
So I am thinking that something is up, but I need someone to explain to me, why must they be reptiles?

As to the specific morphology of our suspected aliens having an ocular membrane similar to that of an earthly reptile, I suppose one could postulate that such a feature wouldn't necessarily be exclusive to reptiles, particularly on other planets. Similar features might evolve on an eye of a non-reptile. I don't know of any off-hand. It should also be noted that not all reptiles (or mammals, for that matter) have the same kind of eyes.

It reminds me of the mythology of the Mr. Spock Vulcan "third eyelid" which evolved among Vulcans to protect their eyes from the harsh Vulcan sun and sand. Also the alien in "Men in Black," who had two sets of eyelids, one horizontal and one vertical.

I find it a little hard to imagine that an alien evolving on another planet would evolve so closely to look like a human being that the only noticeable difference would be in the eyelids, or that such super-intelligent invaders wouldn't find a way to cover up that slight difference so it wouldn't show up in photos if the light hit just right. But apparently the high technology of contact lenses is beyond their abilities.

[edit on 14-1-2008 by Nohup]

Maybe this video will answers some of your questions:

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Don't get put of by the title or the weird music.

reply to post by italkyoulisten


Imagine An ARM of the evolution Tree where some Raptors Survived and evolution made them creative thinkers, where would man be than.

I've head many "theories" involving reptilian aliens.

But here are a few facts. The structure of the human brain is layered. The first layer is called the "Reptilian" layer. It's the layer that governs our aggressive behaviours, our sexual drive, our territorial inclinations, basically our most primitive brain functions. The mid layer is the "Mammal" layer. It is the emotional behaviour, i.e. sadness, loneliness, fear and so on. The top layer is the cerebral cortex. Which gives us the ability to use critical thinking skills and cognitive reasoning. Such as math science, art, writing..You get the idea.

I'll bet you're wondering why I'm giving you a biology lesson.. It's simple, any species whose brain is ENTIRELY based on reptilian brain evolution would be so aggressive and territorial that self-destruction would precede any organizational skills needed to control an entire planet. Even if they did achieve a level of organization, they'd kill us and eat us, not control us through a giant BS process. It's simple evolutionary science. They'd be more likely to kill themselves over territory(our reptilian brain layer is evidence of such behaviour) than organize them selves in such a way. Any evolutionary biologist would tell you this. But Reptilian conspiracy "theorists" ignore facts such as these in favor of sensationalist crap. My bet is the video was somehow edited at some point during production.

There's another scientific way to look at this and that's Drakes Equation. Which is as follows:

N = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL

N* represents the number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy

Question: How many stars are in the Milky Way Galaxy?
Answer: Current estimates are 100 billion.

fp is the fraction of stars that have planets around them

Question: What percentage of stars have planetary systems?
Answer: Current estimates range from 20% to 50%.

ne is the number of planets per star that are capable of sustaining life

Question: For each star that does have a planetary system, how many planets are capable of sustaining life?
Answer: Current estimates range from 1 to 5.

fl is the fraction of planets in ne where life evolves

Question: On what percentage of the planets that are capable of sustaining life does life actually evolve?
Answer: Current estimates range from 100% (where life can evolve it will) down to close to 0%.

fi is the fraction of fl where intelligent life evolves

Question: On the planets where life does evolve, what percentage evolves intelligent life?
Answer: Estimates range from 100% (intelligence is such a survival advantage that it will certainly evolve) down to near 0%.

fc is the fraction of fi that communicate

Question: What percentage of intelligent races have the means and the desire to communicate?
Answer: 10% to 20%

fL is fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilizations live

Question: For each civilization that does communicate, for what fraction of the planet's life does the civilization survive?
Answer: This is the toughest of the questions. If we take Earth as an example, the expected lifetime of our Sun and the Earth is roughly 10 billion years. So far we've been communicating with radio waves for less than 100 years. How long will our civilization survive? Will we destroy ourselves in a few years like some predict or will we overcome our problems and survive for millennia? If we were destroyed tomorrow the answer to this question would be 1/100,000,000th. If we survive for 10,000 years the answer will be 1/1,000,000th.

When all of these variables are multiplied together we come to N= Number of civilizations that made it passed the self destruction phase.
Reptiles would be the least likely to survive, just due to their biology.

The reason for reptiles is Jawa, Ewoks, Wookies, are all copyrighted.

Little green men from mars get people laughed right out of town, so they can't use that one anymore.

Reptiles were important symbols to many ancient cultures, which of course the bible people didn't get along with. So its natural for them to scapegoat the symbols of other people in their stories.

If they wrote the bible today it would be "The long haired rock musician/rapper/secular media publisher, liberal news and politicians etc, etc ".

Aliens can't be reptilians because reptiles are cold blooded. Because they live in desert environment food is hard to find. The energy from food can’t be wasted heating the body. The scales on their bodies are made to absorb the heat of the day and keep them warm in the cold of night. Higher intelligent animals will find more food in cooler climates and with evolution will become warm blooded. Intelligent life is always warm blooded and will have skin like people.