How "the law of attraction" works

reply to post by infobrazil

Thank you for posting this passage about Jesus feeding the 5,000. I've been thinking about that passage, and also the cursing of the fig tree in Mark 11 and wondering about them in light of LOA.

""Have faith in God," Jesus answered. 23"I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. 24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." ~ Mark 11:22-25

Makes me go hmmm...

To help the research for those that want to know more about the subject, even thought most of the path was already given in that topic and Sky recommended more modern books...

Many public domain books:
archive.org...
www.sacred-texts.com...
www.hermetics.org...
www.gutenberg.org...

Many scanned books and ebooks: www.scribd.com...

Torrent Tracker exclusive of occult stuff (new): theoccult.bz...

Forum of members that use Orgone Devices and stuff: xtrememind.com...

Originally posted by GirlNextDoor
reply to post by infobrazil

 

Thank you for posting this passage about Jesus feeding the 5,000. I've been thinking about that passage, and also the cursing of the fig tree in Mark 11 and wondering about them in light of LOA.

""Have faith in God," Jesus answered. 23"I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. 24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." ~ Mark 11:22-25

Makes me go hmmm...

Hmm... and looking at WHERE Jesus' fingers point... 2 fingers upward, 2 fingers downward...

It's not just a coincidence... I tried to put 2 fingers upward, I had to "force" the other 2 to go downward.

"As Above, So Below"

And he also points to the heart... chakra?
It's in most of Jesus images and paintings...

From the movie Matrix:



Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Spoon boy: There is no spoon.

Neo: There is no spoon?

Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

"As within, so without"

[edit on 12-1-2009 by infobrazil]

I have a puzzle I've been chewing on for a bit and wondered if anyone here had an opinion or insight.

I've been wondering why something like 'The Secret' would actually work for some people. It seems too shallow and just the thought of it triggers a negative reaction in me. That said, for some people it seems to be 'enough' and they don't need to look deeper or have the kinds of discussions or do the kind of digging that this thread represents.

So I began to wonder if it 'worked' for folks who were (for lack of a better term...and not at all meant as an insult) naive enough to believe it worked. After all, it seems that LOA is, to some extent, about 'whatever works for you' or 'whatever you believe'. As such, if one were not remotely skeptical or a critical thinker by nature and was able to accept The Secret at face value, one could in theory have great success with it.

I am a critical thinker, sometimes to a fault. When I first heard about The Secret I found it repugnant as it seemed like another new age quick fix. That said, I absolutely believe in the power of LOA/manifestation/intention and have had some wonderful successes with it even in the (relatively) short time since I began looking deeper into it and reading various books/texts/following this thread, etc.

For me, I would not be able to believe that one book or movie could be 'it'. I have had to dig in to see the common threads emerge across various religions/philosophies/practices to arrive at the 'wow it really is that simple at the core' conclusion. In short, it took work for me to be able to see what I needed to see so that I could relax and get into the flow of it all.

So does being a bit naive actually serve as an advantage in some respects? Is that the secret behind the success of 'The Secret'?

reply to post by Illahee


Is it OK to start? I think its OK. Will the poster confirm the results again?

TIA

reply to post by soma_pills


I think it does. Look at it this way. The majority of us don't know everything about the way a car works. Just that we turn the key and the engine does the rest. Well with manifesting it's the same thing. All we have to do is "turn the key" (set our intention) and let the engine (subconscious mind/Universe) run, but if we start to think too much about it and doubt if the process works or if it's possible, then we unwittingly sabotage the whole process and have to start at 0 again.

reply to post by TheBandit795


Thanks for the reply. I just got to pages 27/28 of this thread and I found the answer in those pages. Basically, you attract the information/teachings/version you are ready for. Makes sense that a simplified, shrink-wrapped version would appeal to a large portion of people today.

Had I read through the whole thread first I would not have needed to ask. I tend to get ahead of myself at times.

Thread update from a pratical view:

1) Negative

Person "A" that I know has been involved in more than 12 car/moto accidents in the last 4 years.
During that time, person B, which is person's A father, always said, with anger and frustation: "You will crash your car/moto", "It's dangerous to drive a motorcycle".

The truth is, Person A drives very fast and irresponsably, but I suspect that Person B is "casting spells" without realising it.

And then recently, out of blue, Person's A car got a dent from another driver. Person's A also borrowed Person's B car, without Person's B permission - Person B said Person A would destroy Person's B car - and Person A bought Person's B car with a new dent.

2) Positive

I was in a night club feeling totaly detached and in a good vibe and a boy invited me to kiss his sister, 'cause his sister requested a kiss from me. And she was hot.
I've gone to clubs more than 100 times and that was the first time that stuff happen. Which is very normal now, since I'm in a new reality since I'm doing writing creation and allowing myself to be in a positive vibe. Everything is possible when one is coming from the right place.

Question: If a person that lives with me is not that optmistic, in other words, that person has scarcity mentality and negativity (thoughts, words and emotions), what can I do, besides spending less time with that person?
I mean, I'm probably responsable for It. I'm also sending love to that person, I think in my mind "I love you" and that person's face and I also try to feel love and send to that person.

Thanks for the help.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by infobrazil]

"Man is a microcosm: that is, an image (concentrated around the point of consciousness) of the macrocosm, or Universe. This Theorem is guaranteed by the hylo-idealistic demonstration that the perceptible Universe is an extension, or phantasm, of the nervous system."

- A. Crowley

As a thank you for all the input to this thread I recorded a short Meditation today:

Expanding Focus Meditation

This technique of mine supports LOA-practitioners in releasing their attention from the unwanted on what they are stuck on and switching it to what they prefer.

Enjoy.

I need some clarification on greed. Say if I wanted to visualize winning the lottery but it was to help those in my family relieve financial burdens they have not buy me big houses, cars and women etc. Would that still be coming from a position of lack and greed?
What if I imagined how at peace it would make these family members?
Funny thing about this question... there is a part of me and sometimes alot of me that questions my intent and feel like I am being manipulative.

Originally posted by prometheus1111
I need some clarification on greed. Say if I wanted to visualize winning the lottery but it was to help those in my family relieve financial burdens they have not buy me big houses, cars and women etc. Would that still be coming from a position of lack and greed?
What if I imagined how at peace it would make these family members?
Funny thing about this question... there is a part of me and sometimes alot of me that questions my intent and feel like I am being manipulative.

It comes from lack. Narrowing your focus on "lottery" as being THE source of this happiness, is...well...narrow.

Instead, focus on the end-result. The end-result is not some lottery slip, but a happy and well-off family.

Have you guys watched "The Moses Code"?

Much like "The Secret", they still have not revelead the entire truth, but It was a OK movie.

Sooner or later people will know the truth and will be truly free.

I'll stick with that topic and Abraham-Hicks. And myself.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by infobrazil]

Speaking of Abraham-Hicks, can someone with knowledge on the history of LOA give me a brief rundown of their significance? I have seen them referenced many times in this thread and they are on Skyfloating's book list, which I am in the process of going through (just finished Holographic Universe, starting Initiation into Hermetics). It seems like they are the catalyst behind the more recent interest in LOA.

The reason I ask is I watched a few video clips on Youtube and something kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I was watching her speak and then watching the audience reaction and it seemed like a decent minority of the people just weren't 'buying it'. I couldn't put my finger on it but I wasn't all that blown away myself. It seemed like she was kind of talking in circles. I'm open to the idea that she is indeed (for lack of a more precise term) 'channeling' someone/thing but I just got a sort of snake oil vibe for some reason.

Obviously a lot of people think Abraham-Hicks is great and I am not going to discount them based just on a feeling, and will reserve final judgment until I actually read through some of their material. If anyone has anything to add that might shed some light on their significance or why they are so highly regarded I would be interested to understand more.

Forgive me if this has already been covered, I just found this thread and have not read every post.

I have heard of the LOA, and am vaguely familiar, and neutral about the concept. How could I apply the LOA to my personal situation:

I have chronic back pain due to arthritis and two herniated disc in my spine. I have been in this condition for several years now. How could I apply the LOA in my efforts to become pain free?

I am not totally unsure that I haven't unknowingly already used the LOA in my life, but I would like some focus here.

Instead, focus on the end-result. The end-result is not some lottery slip, but a happy and well-off family.

well, forgive me, as i have skipped many pages. i think i went from one to twenty, and then just peaking in and out on the later pages, so forgive me if im misinformed on some things of the theories posted on how loa is suppose to work, or what makes it work at its best. what i have read from the main contributers of this thread has been good stuff.

well anyways, his biggest problem that he wants to solve is a money problem from what it sounds like, and judging from him asking on if it was greedy or not to want this, he has been sucked in by some belief that wanting material gain is in some way wrong, and you should ask for something else to get your goal. its somehow greedy to want fat money stacks and ferraris.

true magic should hold no boundries, and all limitations are merely self imposed. rather than sit down and meditate or repeat mantras on winning the lottery, in hopes that it will come to you in a dream, or a bird will be flying by and the splatter of poop left on your car looks like numbers that maybe you should play, try going a more direct route to seeking the knowledge you want.

ed dames says he uses remote viewing to get insights on the stock market. albert taylor said he has astral projected into the future, and saw the destruction of his family.

so what im getting at, is maybe you should direct your intent to a specific thing, rather than it being something as general as i want to win the lottery.

try learning some of the more specific skills out here, that in my personal opinion are merely extension of the same thing, just manifested in different ways through intent, and or other environmental or personal influences. try sitting down and just learning remote viewing and nothing else, or try to learn to lucid dream, astral project, visualize, etc...

i dont know what ritual you were going to use to achieve getting the winning lottery ticket, but i think just picking one of those techniques and mastering it would be more beneficial for you than what seems to be the route your possibly going to go, which would take to long, or never manifest itself. im being presumptuous right now, based on a feeling i have of your post.

in my personal opinion, magic knows no boundries, other than those that you create and impose on it. the more you let go of the moral and societal constraints that confine you, and most of humanity,the faster i feel you will be able to get to your goal.

dont limit yourself to just the lottery though. see, people lack imagination, they have been trained like little dogs for so long, and dont know how to get to point a from point b in any other way then a straight line.

now in todays financial woes, most people would pick gambling as their way into big bucks, and big bucks fast. no 40 hour work weeks, no stupid bosses, no chattering employers, just quick big bucks, and they are right. well, you could rob people and steal, but i dont recommend that.

so, we have the lottery. right on. most states have some sort of lottery they can play. but what else do we have, well, you have black jack, poker, roulette, slots, craps, sport betting, horse betting, etc... there are many different parts of the big beast, GAMBLING, and you should maybe also reach out to those other options too. im not saying you have to, but being resourceful will always be beneficial for you.

maybe rather than trying to get good on some winning lottery tickets, you take an hour out of your day to train your intuition, and once you get a hit rate above what is considered random chance, then go travel to your closest casino and see what you can do, or hell, you can even gamble online nowadays.

i want money is very general. its like saying i want to be a good dancer. a good dancer in what, when, where, why. now saying i want to be the best bboy in atlanta georgia because of blah blah, is a little more direct, and more likely to manifest itself faster, because you have etched in more details, and your mind is no longer running amuck to try to attract some things to make you a good dancer in general, but is now more focused on what it needs to do.

sit down and break stuff down. thats what i have to do at times. i cant say i have mastered conscious creation, but that is more so because i dont practice what i preach, rather than a lack of knowledge and insight on the subject. but hard times cause us to reach back into our bag o tricks and pull out the big guns, so to speak.

so anyways, like i was saying, break it down.
okay, you want money. cool.

how do you wanna get that money? black jack.

how can i get it fast and without major losses? by having better insight on the cards getting dealt than what the odds suppose i should know.

how do you get that insight? card counting.

"but i dont wanna card count." okay, train your intuition. give your intuition ques. like if something is bad, you feel a tightness in your stomach, or if its good, you feel an overwhelming rush of emotion in your heart center. train it to obey your rules.

how do i train my intuition? google. lol. i know download.com has some psychic training tools, and intuition tools, and theyre free. first you start training without creating ques, seeing what natural response your body seems to have to right and wrong. stick with that, or create your own. they could be visual, audible, physical, up to you.

now see, thats all more direct, and will probably get you where you need to go faster. substitute black jack for whatever, or intuition training for whatever if you like, but my point is just that, you should break down your desires, and then create a plan of attack and go for it. its more likely to pan out for you faster and with more umpth, then just some general hope of falling lottery numbers out the sky. no disrespect

maybe for some, a lack of complexity and details is best for them to create, but i feel that can only go but so far, and eventually it would be beneficial to be more precise on your creations. shortening the road your mind has to take to decipher your true intentions



[edit on 23-1-2009 by jimmy1200]

Originally posted by jimmy1200

Instead, focus on the end-result. The end-result is not some lottery slip, but a happy and well-off family.

well anyways, his biggest problem that he wants to solve is a money problem from what it sounds like, and judging from him asking on if it was greedy or not to want this, he has been sucked in by some belief that wanting material gain is in some way wrong, and you should ask for something else to get your goal. its somehow greedy to want fat money stacks and ferraris.

true magic should hold no boundries, and all limitations are merely self imposed

I'm not disagreeing with what you posted necessarily, but it occurs to me that just having the belief/concern that what you're focusing on attracting is coming from a place of greed and lack could render the focus ineffective. And that if one has been raised/programmed/brainwashed to believe that material desires (including financial well-being) are inherently "bad", it might in fact be more effective to focus on the less ambivalent desire of wanting to provide for your family.

In other words, for someone who has been told all their life that wanting money (especially money "for nothing" like the lottery) is "greedy" it will take more than just saying "there's nothing wrong with the desire, focus on how you'll get there." That might work really well for someone with no ambivalence about whether they "deserve" money, or whether they "should be grateful for what they have" or any of the other things that society tells us.

But for someone who really is uncomfortable at a certain level with the desire for money, that dis-ease could be the main energetic bar to attracting financial wealth. So Sky's suggestion of focusing on the end result is a sort of end run around one's own self-created barrier, which can then perhaps even be eroded from the other side.

Anyway, that's basically my attempt at a gut-level application of LoA. I'm no expert, but it seems to help my understanding to try and work through some of these ideas in writing

reply to post by soma_pills


They did find a way to take something intricate, and put it into more simply applicable terms. Dont necessarily pay attention to the messengers, but to the message. The messengers are "only human" as are the audience. Both have their quirks and inconsistencies, as you have correctly sensed.

If you are looking for an older and a bit more intricate "version" of the message, go back to the 1970s "seth books" by Jane Roberts.

reply to post by jimmy1200


All I can say to that is that the answer you give yourself will always be more appropriate - for the time and context - than the answer you receive from others (me for example).

As long as your mindful that not A attracts B but only B attracts B, you have the simple gist of LOA.

Apparentely a secret scientific article that explains the theory and the pratice ("algorithm") of a kind of instantaneous LOA that was posted a while ago and now was deleted from the official site:

www.scribd.com...

Mirror: people.tribe.net...

I think It was also discussed on ATS before: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Related: www.wingmakers.com...