U.S. military reports "significant confrontation" between 5 Iranian vessels...

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by Agit8dChop

 

Don't agree much with your views, but I had to give you a star for your last post, which I found totally reasonable.

Also, DoctorWhoFan makes an excellent point about why would the U.S. want to start something while Bush was travelling to the region.

So many people here are obviously on their "automatically blame the U.S. for everything" mode that it's refreshing when even "foes" such as bodrul and souljah (first post) offer fair and balanced assessments of this situation.



[edit on 1/7/2008 by centurion1211]

I agree, I'm not a fan of President Bush, but I don't think this was a false flag operation. Yes, the U.S Government has been shady, but I don't believe they were behind this. If they were, the three U.S ships would've been attacked, not threatend. They wouldn't have antagonized the three war ships, they would've attacked them. It would be a dumb decision by Bush because we are currently in Iraq right now. If the American people think the insurgency in Iraq is tough, Iran will make that look like the peace rally. These people will fight to the death, just like in the Iran-Iraq war. People literally charged Iraqi posistions with Korans, overwhelming the Iraqi's and taking there weapons.

It's probably just Iran trying to take back some control in that region, which is realistic. It's basically telling the U.S that they aren't afraid. It was a stupid decision by Iran, obviously not enough to start a war, but to increase tension between the two nations. They probably feel safe if they think China or Russia will back them, which I doubt it.

I doubt it was an actually attempt to provoke war with the United States, unless it was an ambush. If you're going attack three U.S war ships, you better find more fire power than five little gun boats.

I agree with people saying that you should take everything you here from the media/government with a grain of salt, but I doubt this was a false flag attempt.

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

Umm....its INTERNATIONAL waters so your entire point is moot.

Yeah, have you seen Iranian war ships of the coast of America anywhere, within “international” waters?

Let’s say that Russian fleet decides to take a cruse in international waters of American shores, would make fell of safe and tingly inside?

Persian Gulf is a WAR zone, and US NAVY flies BOMBING to Iraq sorties on daily bases, Iranians just “happen” to live there, and since the gulf is “PERSIAN”, it by default makes American presence UNWANTED.

reply to post by citizen smith


Where as they may have been sonar or other electronic equipment, placing them in the path of the US Navy ships certainly presents itself as a danger-how are the US ships to know if they are bombs/mines..............

That is usually a sure fire way of provoking a shooting incident-exactly what Iran wants.

Do you really believe everything the Pentagon says? I would like to hear testimony from sailors that were there, first, before I make a judgement on the creditability of any report.

my guess would that the iranians were testing the american's response and tactics for future uses. It'scommon that Israeli warplanes fly into syria and such to test their SAM and anti-air defenses. I beleive the Iranians were doing the same thing.

reply to post by patriot jim


I agree it seems to have been massively exaggerated. It was 5 speedboats against 3 warships! Still a worrying development though.

I've said for ages Iran will be next on the list, a fact i think a lot of members on this site have considered for quite a while now.

Got to try and stay positive though.... somehow

please!!!!!! "elite republican guards"??? those, just like the iraqis are
just guys with families and quite ill-equiped to confront an american
onslaught. the only way an iranian missle will hit an american vessel
will be if it's allowed to happen. by the way, i heard on a news network,
the iranians were 500 yards away. somethin stinks to holy hell!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by iskander
Let’s say that Russian fleet decides to take a cruse in international waters of American shores, would make fell of safe and tingly inside?

Look, the Russians do these sort of things all the time. Their subs are always lurking in international waters around the U.S. mainland. Just a few months ago, I'm sure you heard about the Russian planes which buzzed very close to U.S. airspace.

The point being is as long as its in international waters, Iran has no authority to do anything.

and since the gulf is “PERSIAN”, it by default makes American presence UNWANTED.

Irrelevant!
It does not matter that Iran does not want us there. The fact is that its legal to cruise in international waters and Iran needs to mind their own business or pay the piper.

Well, it seems some on this thread believe this is another conspiracy and I think that is a Joke. Not everything is a conspiracy, some stuff is real however small the amount and this is most likely the truth. I just wish the Navy would have blown those Iranian Guard members out of the water to teach them not to cock off and act like it was "an ordinary occurence" like they called it. It was not ordinary, the US ships were in international waters and the actions of the Iranian Guard were uncalled for and dangerous. Iran just seems to think everything is a joke and needs to change its approach and outlook on the world as does Mr. Bush and his advisors.

reply to post by HimWhoHathAnEar


en.wikipedia.org...

Thats how. Russia never sold any sunburns to Iran. They let Iran demo one. That has been proved over and over again. A missile can not get through a wall of lead, Especially when traveling at Mach 2. Jets fly at Mach 2 you know, We shoot them down don't we? The U.S. Hopper is one of the most advanced ships on the sea today. It can take down I.C.B.Ms .

another gulf of tonkin? (sp)

Which makes your post obsolete. The US is in a war zone over their so the Persian Gulf is definitely going to be watched. If (Like you say) the Iranians were off the coast of the US, then why? We are ion no war zone over here? Think Bro.

Originally posted by iskander
reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan

 

Umm....its INTERNATIONAL waters so your entire point is moot.

Yeah, have you seen Iranian war ships of the coast of America anywhere, within “international” waters?

Let’s say that Russian fleet decides to take a cruse in international waters of American shores, would make fell of safe and tingly inside?

Persian Gulf is a WAR zone, and US NAVY flies BOMBING to Iraq sorties on daily bases, Iranians just “happen” to live there, and since the gulf is “PERSIAN”, it by default makes American presence UNWANTED.

Too bad we couldn't leave Mossadeq in. Hindsight is 20/20? Not ours.

I think it is odd that there wasnt this much coverage when the Chinese Sub popped up in the middle of one of our exercises.


I agree with this neo con administration and our good old controlled media it is a set up for somthing bigger to happen soon...They are just getting us prepared.....Guarranteed it will be before the elections if things are not going right for them.....

Originally posted by AllinTheMind89
another gulf of tonkin? (sp)

You spelled it right.

Now, if you had only bothered to read the rest of the thread before posting, you'd know what you posted was already refuted as a dead issue.

I do not know if this has been posted in the previous 10 pages, but here is something from the Iranian side:

Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini said on Monday, "The case happening on Saturday was similar to the past ones and it was a regular and natural issue."

External source

It would have really had significance if they had blown those toy boats out of the water.

"I am coming at you, you will explode" - maybe some Iranian captain standing in his minefield was worried about US ships entering the minefield. The news does say "international waters", but who really knows ? Maybe they were on the edge of Iran's waters, why would they patrol international waters in their little boats and threaten warships ?

Why would Iran attack US ships like that ? I mean they did not even attack them. If they want to start a war there are plenty of ways.
What they did, and said, and the floating boxes dropped in the water makes me think it was about some minefield

Suicide victims perhaps?
I mean, thinking back to USS Cole, a small ship loaded with explosives can do damage... especially if its multiples swarming.

I think the message was just that

'' we are coming, you will explode ''

My gut tells me, that Iran sent these boats at the ships fully willing to sacrifice the men and materials believing the US would shoot first, and ask questions later.

I mean, the message is pretty specific.. and you dont normally do this sort of thing.

It backfired on Iran because the US didnt fire on them, and now they HAVE to come out and play it down as routine..
I mean, they cant be seen as agitators in this chess game can they?

The men on these speed boats were martyrs. they just wernt martyred.

reply to post by mrmonsoon

Excuse me, but Iran does not have several thousand tonns of steel parked in front of America, do they? Actually, from Iranian point of view, the aggressor is United States Armed Forces - they are "just" defeneding their territorial waters, which have been breached in the past and we all know that. And frankly, what serious damage could this small 5 patrol boats do to a cruiser, a destroyer and a frigate of the U.S.Navy? Are you serious man? IF they really wanted to provoke a war with U.S. - and I seriously doubt that, since they have really NOTHING to gain by doing that - they would have done that already. See, the facts are speaking against you and they are saying, that some rouge elements within the U.S. armed forces and the U.S. government kind of want the war with Iran and noth the other way around. That is why they have already created detailed plans how to attack Iran. Does Iran have detailed plans how to attack America?