Nibiru's 'First Phase' Due Fall 2009!

Originally posted by neformore

OK....

I take it you've never read a science fiction book then?

True I haven't, but ancient civilizations who pursued their lives studying stars and celestial bodies are not fiction, and I have a trust in their beliefs. Ancient civilizations are a big plus when it comes to me believing in Nibiru.

Originally posted by xnibirux
True I haven't, but ancient civilizations who pursued their lives studying stars and celestial bodies are not fiction, and I have a trust in their beliefs. Ancient civilizations are a big plus when it comes to me believing in Nibiru.

And how do you know what they beleived? Were you there? Did you experience it?

No.

The answer is you believe what someone else has written - their opinion - on what might be one interpretation of something that they think they have discovered.

Not only that but you seemingly have blind faith in it, without looking at the bigger picture, or considering the facts that people have presented to you.

Now we're all supposed to be here to deny ignorance, right? But embracing one side of a story that you only read in a book and dismissing other relevant information is the absolute height of ignorance.

Originally posted by xnibirux
Honestly, why would someone make up a theory of a Brown Dwarf(sister to our own Sun)in our Solar System(which used to be Binary) that has a 3,600 year eliptical orbit in which it collided with Tiamat(now the asteroid belt -half of Tiamat- and Earth and our moon-the other half of Tiamat). It just doesn't make any sense to me that someone would just make something up like that.

To sell books, make lots of money and become (in)famous. Why else? Sitchin has done very well out of his sci fi story.

I just learned the most amazing thing about Planet X!

Planet X has moons, but these moons do not orbit it, but instead follow it like pearls on a string and swirl up and down, like a dragon's tail, which is why ancient cultures report seeing dragons in the sky.

But this is not the amazing thing.. The amazing thing i learned, is why these moons can do that, instead of having to orbit Planet X, like our moons have to.

Moons in orbit around planets in a relatively circular orbit around a sun have more than their planet affecting their behavior. They are of a mass that prevents their plummeting to the planet, as they are evoking the gravitational repulsion force between themselves and their planet. They are moving, not stationary, not because of the attraction to the planet, which is at a standstill, but because of attractions to other elements in the solar system. Like a liquid core of a rotating body, they are moving toward what attracts them, overshooting the point where they are closest to the attractant, moving around to the far point because of momentum, and proceeding to approach the attractant again. Where there are a number of moons orbiting a planet, they position themselves like the planets around a sun, at a comfortable distance from each other to avoid collision, as the repulsion force is in operation between the moons, which are of relatively equal size, too.

From: ZetaTalk™


We all know, every object with a mass has it's own gravitational field, the strength of which depends on this mass.

But untill now, we thought gravity was the force of attraction between massive objects.

Imagine my surprise, when i learned, that gravity in fact does just the opposite - it pushes massive objecsts appart!

From the quote above: They are of a mass that prevents their plummeting to the planet, as they are evoking the gravitational repulsion force between themselves and their planet.


Our ignorant scientists teach us, that it is the centrifugal force of an orbiting object, that prevents it from plummeting to the planet, by cancelling out the gravitational attraction.

But in fact massive objects repell each other!

This is why, if you put water in a bucket, you have to hold it upside down, otherwise the water falls up - out of the bucket.


How can anyone still claim, that there is nothing we can learn from the Zetans and Nancy™ (The Messiah)?



For an even better understanding of this "Gravity repulsion force" i present this excellent explanation from the Zetans:

Repulsion Force

We have described the Repulsion Force as being invoked late, only when two gravity giants come close enough for their laser blasts of gravity particles to encounter each other, like two fire hoses of water pointed at each other, essentially holding them apart. For the inbound Planet X, the force of gravity, impelling an approach, increases as the flood of gravity particles returning to the Sun presses against the back side of Planet X increases. This is essentially exponential, an inverse square rate per man, as the number of returning particles becomes rapidly more dense the closer one comes to the Sun. But likewise the Repulsion Force increases, not due to any increase in the firehose of outbound gravity particles from Planet X, which remains steady, but due to the outbound bursts of gravity particles from the Sun becoming dense enough, at distances increasingly encountered by the approaching Planet X, to invoke a Repulsion Force of sorts, even when Planet X is afar. This is a drag on the inbound speed, a slowing influence.

From: ZetaTalk™


We definatelly have a lot to learn!

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To above post:

Which is why Nibiru was thought to be seen visibly in 2003, but was not, due to the the Repulsion Force of our Sun.

Originally posted by xnibirux
To above post:

Which is why Nibiru was thought to be seen visibly in 2003, but was not, due to the the Repulsion Force of our Sun.

Oh man!!!

Please tell us about the 'Repulsion Force' of our Sun! THis is got to be good....

That quote from zetatalk on gravity repulsion is the biggest load of crap I think I've ever read.

Thats not just bad science, its bad science fiction.

Originally posted by xnibirux
Which is why Nibiru was thought to be seen visibly in 2003, but was not, due to the the Repulsion Force of our Sun.

Dear xnibirux...

What repulsion force?!?

Do you know what gravity is? Or for that matter, do you know what sarcasm is?


Gravity is the force that ATTRACTS massive objects to one another, not pushes them apart!

That's why things fall to the ground, instead of flying off into space.


It's also the reason sattelites (artificial or natural) have to ORBIT the parent body. Gravity pulls them down, but because they are going in circles around it, the centrifugal force makes them stay up.

For the orbit to be stable, two things have to match:
- the force of gravity pulling the object DOWN, towards the parent body
- the centrifugal force pushing the object UP, away from the parent body

If these two forces match, they cancel each other out, and the orbiting object can happily orbit for a very long time.


If you don't believe me, i suggest the following experiment:

Experiment - does the gravity repulse or attract:

- Take a bucket and fill it with water.
- Turn the bucket upside down and observe what happens.
- Write the results on a piece of paper, so you can not forget them or believe them away.
- Analyze the results.


Alternatively, if you don't have a bucket, or don't want to get wet do the following:

- Pick up a rock, or any other object.
- Let it go.
- Write the results on a piece of paper, so you can not forget them or believe them away.
- Analyze the results.


Analysis:

- If the water remained inside the bucket, when you turned it upside down, the Zetans are right.
- If the water fell out of the bucket, they are wrong.


Analysis of the alternative experiment:

- If the rock fell to the ground, the Zetans are wrong.
- If the rock started accelerated up, faster and faster, untill you couldn't see it anymore and is now traversing space, the Zetans are right and gravity indeed repulses massive objects.


If for some strange reason the water or the rock fell to the ground, the Zetans Nancy is channeling, must have a VERY bad understanding of physics.

Or maybe the Zetans she is channeling are just messing with her for fun and laughing their ethereal a##es off, trying to see how far they can push her, before she goes nuts.

Or maybe she already IS nuts and the Zetans and Planet X are just parts of her dellusions and don't exist at all.


OK, now what were the results of the experiment?

Originally posted by neformore
That quote from zetatalk on gravity repulsion is the biggest load of crap I think I've ever read.

Thats not just bad science, its bad science fiction.

Oh, but it get's much worse!

I was searching for the source of the Planet X travelling at the speed of light claim and stumbled over something even more amazing..


Planet X is not coming in 2012 or 2009 or even 2008.

According to Nancy and the Zetans, Planet X is allready here! It's been here since 2003, when it rapidly entered the solar system at close to the speed of light:

Since the Earth encountered Planet X in her orbit on Dec 25, 2003, her orbit has stalled, as she encountered an elephant in the road at this point and could not pass. Planet X had been plunging toward the Sun, rapidly entering the solar system in the short years prior to 2003 at a speed close to the speed of light. As Planet X approached the Sun in early 2003, brilliant Second Sun sightings and photos were possible because the Earth was on the opposite side of the Sun from the approaching Planet X, and thus sunlight was reflected off the dust cloud and bounced back toward Earth. Then came the encounter with Planet X in Earth's orbit, and things changed. As Planet X was moving, still, toward the Sun, sunlight now was at its back, bouncing back toward the Sun, and visibility of this dust shrouded planet changed from brilliant and dramatic Second Sun sightings to puzzlement. Like an object in a fog bank, it was lost to view except for those times when its swirling tail and moons caught sunlight and deflected this to Earth.

This explains why we were able to see it before 2003 as sundogs, but now it's invisible because of.. due to.. well, because of something in the above text.

Anyway, Planet X is here and it is allready showing it's effects:

Evidence of the presence of Planet X in the inner solar system, slowly passing the S Pole of the Sun, was reduced to taking the pulse of Earth herself - increased earthquakes, volcanic activity, an Earth wobble evident to those astute enough to take note, and erratic weather accompanying the wobble. The eddy flow created by particles flowing coming from the Sun and thense around the sides of Planet X trapped Earth in her stalled orbit, and held her there in front of Planet X, no escape. As Planet X proceeded past the Sun's S Pole in his sling orbit, he went within the orbit of Venus, and thus likewise trapped Venus in this eddy flow cup when she came round in her orbit to encounter Planet X. The Earth's dark twin, sharing an orbit with Earth, joined this group of trapped planets within months, remaining behind the Earth, likewise stalled in their shared orbit, a dark hunk of black rock reflecting little light and thus essentially invisible to man. This has been the setup throughout 2004 and into 2005, the rapid plunge of Planet X toward the Sun countered by the Repulsion Force

If there is anyone still left, that is scared by this Planet X thing, i would suggest to them, to look into what it actually consists of.

There is no realistic theory, there isn't even a consistent one.

All there is, is a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, that don't even fit together and a lot of delusional babble.

Stuff like that doesn't even need debunking. It does that all by itself.

People, who are still capable of believing it, simply can not be reasoned with, so there is no point in trying.


Having said that, i would like to add, that our xnibirux here doesn't even come close to some of the worst believers, i've seen on other forums, while researching Nancy's claims. He considered the possibility of being wrong at least once and doesn't resort to insults in every post he writes.

You wouldn't believe, what some of the others are like...

OK, why not $hit can the Zeta crap, and the idea that Nibiru is a brown dwarf. It is interesting that if we focus just on the the Sumerian documents that they may have known more than we do. Has anyone ever wonded how the ancients accomplished the tasks that they did? I have studied much in the way of ancient cultures and spent time in the Yucatan Penn with a few archaeologists. They still do not understand how the pyramids were built, or how they could achieve the degree of accuracy that is found amongst them in design and configuration.

All I'm saying is that perhaps the Sumerians were right. No civilization existed before, and it seems that the Sumerians were already apexed and did not "evolve" as most cultures do, either in language or architecture. Most religious beliefs overlap each other in many ways - ie Greeks, Sumerians, Mayans, Egyptians, etc. It is not mere chance that this occured - it indicates that perhaps man sprung from one source and migrated.

Even some of the experts in the Yucatan do not believe for one second that the natives achieved so much in science and architecture, yet failed in other areas to advance.

I happen to be in possesion at this moment of 5 photos that NASA took of Nibiru and the ones they had are now gone they have removed them from the web, but I happened to get a hold of 5 before all were taken off. But its proof. And its solid proof. As solid as you can get. So believe me this proves that Nibiru does exist. Man I am so proud today its pitiful I feel like celebrating.

Hilda

Originally posted by hildar
I happen to be in possesion at this moment of 5 photos that NASA took of Nibiru and the ones they had are now gone they have removed them from the web, but I happened to get a hold of 5 before all were taken off. But its proof. And its solid proof. As solid as you can get. So believe me this proves that Nibiru does exist. Man I am so proud today its pitiful I feel like celebrating.

Hilda

Are you saying that Nibiru is actually visible during the day, as we speak(considering you hold pictures of it)?

The photos were taken of the sun to show the solar flares, so sun was blocked out but you can see Nibiru there beside of the sun and no its not mars or any other planet we saw where they were on a few other charts and they were not even close to this. I am off to bed but I do have the photos online at yuwie. Not sure if you have an account there but I have them there.

Hilda

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I left a link on your page in comments so you can go look at it.

Hilda

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deezee,

Really good works, finding those quotes. It is, as you point out, all hogwash meant to sell books.

I would only like to gently correct something you wrote earlier about orbits...there is no centrifugal force action on a body in an orbit. A stable orbit (assuming no atmospheric friction) will continue indefinitely as long as the velocity of the object is such that it continually 'falls' towards the greater mass. Since in the case of celestial bodies, the 'mass' is a sphere, that means the satellite will continue to fall, but the body it is orbiting is round...so it falls, but never hits the body it is orbiting. That is why you hear terms like 'escape velocity'...that refers to a speed necessary to leave the gravitational 'well' of the celestial mass in question.

edit for spelling...

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Here is a photo from Australia's Antarctic devision in 2006. It looks pretty real but what it is I really am not sure of. But whatever it is, its not a sundog. Its underneath the sun. Hubby kept it yesterday when I was going thru tons of info and pages of NASA stuff he found it and kept it.

Hilda



img81.imageshack.us...

Cant figure how to put the photo on here so you will have to go look at it there.

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hildar,

That is NOT a picture of some imaginary brown dwarf coming to hurt us, I assure you! That is an artifact in the photo...either it is a reflection of our Sun or it is something in the lens of the camera.

Sorry to rain on your parade here. The theme of ATS is to deny ignorance...and that is not meant as an insult, it is to point out obvious flaws in logic, and science...that is my opinion.

Beautiful picture, though. Thanks for sharing.

PS...Did some research into Brown Dwarfs. Someone earlier said that 'nibiru' is one third the size of our Sun...well, guess what? That description would make it a 'red' dwarf...we are talking astrophysics here, people!!

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I did not state that was Nibiru like I said whatever it was it wasnt a sundog. But its something that I cant figure out. The proof that I have of Nibiru comes straight from NASA and we had 500 people say they cant debunk it. Because we have 2 photos also from NASA that show where the real planets are and low and behold there is still the spot where Nibiru is and its not a Known planet. I also will have that photo looked at by a few experts today and see if they can explain what it is or isnt.

Hilda

Originally posted by hildar
The proof that I have of Nibiru comes straight from NASA and we had 500 people say they cant debunk it. Because we have 2 photos also from NASA that show where the real planets are and low and behold there is still the spot where Nibiru is and its not a Known planet. I also will have that photo looked at by a few experts today and see if they can explain what it is or isnt.

The burden of proof here is on the people making the claims, so please, could we see the pictures?