Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S.

How ironic if they finally win independence and Yellowstone supervolcano goes off

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I wish Russell Means and The Lakota Nation every success in claiming what has been rightfully theirs all along. Some of the greatest hero's in history number among their People.
Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse and Red Cloud are respected by millions of people around the World, yet the various Presidents who sent troops to steal their lands are all but forgotten.
Regards,
Horsegiver.

"The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means."


Just another tin pot racist- I wonder if some of the posters here wettin themselves about such "indigenous" people would say the same if a white leader made a disparraging remark about non whites

I really would love to visit a Indian reservation.

Their culture, traditions and religion are so beautiful to study, read, etc. I really do hope they achieve their goal.

I am so proud of the Lakota taking a stand! I am part Cherokee and it is about time that the Native Americans take back what was taken from them years ago. Hmmm...I am thinking I may want to move to Wyoming now...I love that state, really beautiful! Go Lakota!

Just a small question

is Grand Forks AFB still a minuteman base? and if this goes ahead - what about all military bases on the land?

Before I start let me say that I have Cherokee and Shoshone in my lineage
and I am proud of both, now to my rant..

Seriously people in this day and age WTF as was stated in another post
the land reverts back to the United States in violation or withdrawal of any treaties agreed on by the two parties..

So now that you are not going to honor our treaties we don't have to either
so you get none of the financial aid that you have been privy to since the treaties, the land will now be available to other ethnicities for sale, and your casinos are now illegal...

Yep smart move , I don't believe that native American people have been treated well throughout history however you just removed all your bargaining chips from the table not so smart...and now you are trespassing!

Respectfully
GEO

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I don't think these peoples wanted the financial aid that the USA gives them in the first place.

What they did want was an end to the mass murders orchestrated by the then US government for the purpose of grabbing all the land for themselves.

It never belonged to the the US gov. and they took it away illegally.

Seeing as the land was obtained through ill gains, it cannot be sold off or rented by any owners.

How can the land revert back to the USA? It's not their land.

For a complete break away, I foresee a new currency emerging. It's no good breaking away from an old regime and still using their currency. This would, in turn, make any casinos owned, viable and legal.

It was the US government that were, and still are, the trespassers.

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While I disagree that this this land does not belong to the United States
I could see the whole make your own money proposition the only caveat there is it would have no value in the eyes of the world with which you had to do commerce, as you have no commodity ( Oil, Gold, Silver, Coal, industry) to back whatever means of money you print to give it value it would be worth less than the Peso..

Additionally the majority of the land of the United States has been under or considered a part of the United states since the late 1700's early 1800's we fought for the land we got from the British (Revolutionary War) and we bought the majority of the rest of the land from the French (Louisiana Purchase)

Based on the above I am guessing that people should really be disappointed with the U.K. and France and don't forget Mexico (California, Nevada, Utah,Arizona) They owned the land before us at least that is who we got it from...Also we got Alaska From Russia, and Florida from Spain..

So maybe some 300-400 hundred years ago this land belonged to someone else which I find Ironic as most truly Native Spiritual beliefs are that you can not own the land only borrow it borrow from it or be a custodian more or less..

I guess my question is if in their spiritual beliefs they can not own the land how then can the land be claimed as theirs to own?


Respectfully
GEO


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Originally posted by Harlequin
what about all military bases on the land?

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!11



PS Geo, for the love of god, the first nation thrived there for thousands of years, I think they can manage

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Without any sort of army to really back their words up with. This really is just posturing.

However hopefully they will get a casino or two out of this so that they can employ people. And possibly be able to offer better social services to the tribe.

IMO welfare is a killer of anyone that is on it.
It's much better for you to be independant than dependant.
It's just another form of slavery as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by geocom
Additionally the majority of the land of the United States has been under or considered a part of the United states since the late 1700's early 1800's we fought for the land we got from the British (Revolutionary War) and we bought the majority of the rest of the land from the French (Louisiana Purchase)

Err...what about New Spain? The Spanish had a huge part of North America, which included Mexico.

This is not a move by the entirity of the Lakota Nation. Instead, it's self-appointed representatives that are trying to cause a stink. They are speaking for no one than themselves. I've checked several websites (though by no means have I conducted an exhaustive search, as I am at work) about the Lakota or Lakota issues, and there is nothing about their so-called independence. For example, Lakotatimes has nothing; seems strange a website dedicated to the confederation would have something about it.

The Lakota are not one uniform nation, it is a confederation of several native nations. It would take all of them agreeing on this course of action, something that is very doubtful to happen.

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Yep them too as well as Russia we purchased alaska from them

So I need to add spain and Russia to my list but thanks for the Heads up I appreciate it so we have a great many people to be mad at


Repsectfully
GEO

Originally posted by Extralien
Heck yes... the US citizens in that area, I presume, would more than happily join Lakota and their tax free system rather than continue to pay taxes that are illegal anyway.

You might not want to get so excited about not paying taxes.

Generally, US territories do not have to pay taxes. This includes Puerto Rico and reservations. Though the reservations are autonomous entities, more or less, they are still considered US territory, administered by the tribes living on the land. Though they do not pay taxes, the federal government still invests in infrastructure and education.

If the reservations in the Lakota land were to become their own nation, they would have to start raising their own taxes to remain viable, since they would lose the money coming from the US government.

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Good Find I didn't even look to see if this was truly the nation or just a self procalimed representative..

Respectfully
GEO

good to know that native indians finally make stand for freedom against imperialist and genocidal american occupation that has destroyed the native indian race

and estiblish a govt in exile in Russia/china/india

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reply to post by geocom


Money only has a value if you believe it does. And considering the total worlds currency is no longer backed by any gold (since about 1970) then all of it is worthless right now.

Money is currently based on two consenting adults agreeing on the value stated on the money itself. So that fixes that problem.

The war of independence (revolutionary war as you call it) was not a fight for the land. It was a war to overthrow British rule.

Don't forget that most colonials were actually integrating with the native people whose sole purpose was to lead a peaceful life.

It was because of the British and then the new American citizens, that created the cities and mass sprawl you are accustomed to today.

Yes, blame can be thrown onto the French and the British due to their claim of ownership. But that is all it is.. a claim of ownership.

In all practical terms, land cannot be owned. If you could own land then how far down into the ground have you purchased? You might have 5 miles squared of land, but what about above and below. Do you also own the air space?

Can you as a freehold land owner of just an acre ban all aircraft from flying over? can you ban all traffic and people?

By rights, you should be able to. But you can't own air and so it should be the same for land. As much as air moves and mixes, so does land.

This is where controlled airspace comes into effect. The only thing stopping me from flying through it is some high powered, fully armed military jet and the puppet masters controlling it.

IMO, the whole idea of land ownership is completely wrong. As you have correctly stated that most tribes believe that land is only borrowed, then so it should stand that way. Therefore, nobody can own it. You can't move it, you can't take it on holiday. you can only build or grow food on it. So this still leaves the issue that the USA cannot and does not own the land. It is only stated as so due to the idea being popularly believed by those who wish it to be so. The exact same thought process behind the value of money.

Originally posted by tetsujin420
Oil country! Yeah now I do not see this going through. The shaded section is some of hardcore oil land man. Oil will continue to ruin peoples lives....

How do you know the eeeeeeeeeeevil Big Oil isn't behind this independence movement, with these pure, innocent spokesmen (who certainly have only the best of intentions) in their pocket, promised a sweetheart deal and a relaxing of the environmental laws keeping them from drilling?

Originally posted by manson_322

good to know that native indians finally make stand for freedom against imperialist and genocidal american occupation that has destroyed the native indian race

and estiblish a govt in exile in Russia/china/india

Yeah, that makes sense. Because Russia, China and India have never engaged in mass execution, murder, ethnic cleansing, and forced removals.

Of course, I would not expect someone that praises Stalin to be educated in the matters of history.