Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S.

Call me ignorant but what does this mean to those people living in the said states. Will the great Lakota nation realy be given land to form a new nation?

I imagine they'll be able to continue living just the same way if they want, or have a choice to become a citizen of the Lakota country. Although if they raise sales tax to make up for the loss of income tax, they would be taking a hit economically.

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If the Government does raise taxes for all those still liveing as US citizens in that are, dont you think that it could cause some sort of uprising?

Well happy day. This gives me hope that just maybe all peoples of the United States can/will/could do the same state by state. Withhold our federal tax money until we have a government run by the people for the people.

The real and only way to truly hurt an organization is at its pocketbook. Take away the money source and our great government would fail.

There could be chaos for a short time and anarchy could be a temporary problem but I believe it would work it's self out quickly.

Power to the people. Take back our country.

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Heck yes... the US citizens in that area, I presume, would more than happily join Lakota and their tax free system rather than continue to pay taxes that are illegal anyway.

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Well I know if this all comes to be, I will join the new Lakota nation. Another question, do you guys think that this will cause other tribes, like the Souix to do the same?

I have strong doubts that anything will come of this. While I would strongly support such an event there's just absolutely no way they're going to be able to redraw maps of the United States. Not to mention that the new country would not even be able to function correctly.

Heck! I can't even find this story anywhere else but on Fox, and that place is by far the worst out of all mainstream media outlets.

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I would like to think that the other tribes will follow suit. I really do.

If I had a choice I would be joining them. But being born in another country kind of upsets that idea a little though I would willingly and happily join a free community such as this. I have recently been looking into micronations, particularly one mentioned earlier in another post, the Hutt river principality.

I am so sick and tired of the continual nonsense most of the major countries have got themselves into and have longed for a change.

To quote a line form the song 'Kings of the wild frontier' by Adam and the Ants..

"I feel beneath the white, there is a red skin, suffering from centuries of taming."
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The Hutt river Principality had apparently gone to war with the Australian government but the Australian army failed to turn up.
www.principality-hutt-river.com...

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Consider it a lesson in what goes around, comes around.

mythatsabigprobe. I agree.

The Indians deserve their freedom and I support them I believe the US will probably recongise their independence, btw, how big is the land they are declaring?

SO they decide to renage on the treaty- tuff [-snip-] never gonna happen- the US is a strong nation state and will not allow "indigenous" people to start claiming land.

No one really knows who the first inhabitants of the land were, [-snip-], the vikings are rumoured to have been there.

They need to get over it, and, having a real laugh at people crowbarring Bush into it- doesnt matter who the president is, it would not be permitted

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Even if they do succeed in gaining independence they'd be in the same boat as Cuba, choked to death economically by the U.S. That's a huge and positively low chance if. The more I think about it the more laughable it seems. While it would be a nice turn of events, it's just not going to happen.

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Looks pretty big:


Source

On other maps it looks even bigger:
www.unpo.org...
www.trailtribes.org...

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It's the area I shaded in this map. Some of the most beautiful land in the country and I really think it should be in the hands of it's original owners, since they're less likely to destroy it like the rest of the country.

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Oil country! Yeah now I do not see this going through. The shaded section is some of hardcore oil land man. Oil will continue to ruin peoples lives....

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Ha! Now I see the real motivation behind this 'withdrawal'.

Well, good luck to them Indians. The PTB will likely not agree to it.

The United States have long stopped any independence movement within Native American tribes, the US kept them out of the League of Nations, and the United Nations, the Red man has never been represented in world politics.

Freedom and Independence is a dream for people, a dream worth fighting for. Ask any Israeli/Jew what it means to them to have been able to reclaim their home land. All that is needed is a spark, and many many people will fight for this dream of independence.

This could get ugly, I do hope the tribes have some sort of plan of action.

As for the United States J. D. Blackfoot said it best, "watch out for the day you get Siouxed" This has been a long time coming.

IMO the poverty in the Indian nations is because the US Federal government has encouraged them to live off of welfare, like a socialist state, the people had no purpose or reason to make things better, poor education system, no hope for good jobs, this could change all of that.

Give them a reason to have some pride in oneself.

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what are you gonna do, bring the "original owners" (whatever the frig that means!) back to life!

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Like it or not, theyare the original owners and they still live there. If your interpretation of ownership ends with the death of the founders, this country died with the Pilgrims.

The indigenous people deserve to be recongised.

Even though some bigots like to add unconstructive comments by claiming some nordic race landed in America first ( funny, that's what the KKK say ) *clicks ignore*

Yeah, I do know the US has blocked theiry entry into the United Nations (even though I think that is about to change soon, seeings the UN gave a declartion on indigenous rights).

Hopefully, the Indians get justice.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Like it or not, theyare the original owners and they still live there. If your interpretation of ownership ends with the death of the founders, this country died with the Pilgrims.

they must be some age then!