WHere is our Tax Money going??

Simple question for all you ats bloggers....where does all of our tax money go?
How do we know our money is being used for the good of the country and not embezzeled?
On a more local level.....why do we pay astronomical prices for public transportation in NY as well as high income tax? A better question is why do the members of the MTA board have high salaries?
And finally....why do people who hold a high office in state funded programs, like the MTA, have high salaries?

I just have this feeling that if someone were to audit the Us government, local municipal and state governments.....they would find tax money being shoveled in all sorts of places where they shouldnt be. Who is going to do this and make sure its done as thoroughly as if i were to owe the IRS 50k?
You know they stop at nothing....they will go so far as to place new liens on the house of a widow whose husband committed suicide because of tax debt and IRS harrassment so that his family could collect the insurance money.

It's going to pay the interest on our currency right into the pockets of private bankers.

You haven't seen this?:

Freedom to Fascism

the federal tax spending pie chart:

www.warresisters.org...

reply to post by Crakeur


How do we know that this is accurate?
How do we attack the issue that money is being used elsewhere when it should be used to improve existing social programs and not pay the MTA president?

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


I cant watch the vido right now cuz im at work but.....thats not what tax money is for. Its our money and has to be used for our country and shouldnt go directly to private banks. We need improvements nationwide on education, healthcare and law enforcement....and im talking about major improvements. So this frivolous spending has to stop and my question is, can i just call up the IRS and demand to see a breakdown of where exactly my personal income taxes are going? Thats what they do in other countries....on your paystub it breaks down for you which social programs are receiving your money.

Dang Guice2 your a NY'er where the taxes are higher then Amy Winehouse on a binge... And dont forget that Vinny has to get his bite...It's $27.00 round trip for the train into the city from Beacon,NY... I think up to $17.00 in bridge tolls if you drive into Manhat (and still you have to pay Vinny $45.00 to park)...Ya really makes you wonder...

reply to post by Oneshot1


Im sure you think this is a dumb question but....who is this VInny and why the hell is he getting my money?

i think vinny represents organized crime

sometimes i think that as long as we can have a roof over our heads and we have food avaliable at a price not too ridiculous that i am thankful

throughout history govt's are always corrupt, i am not to concerned about this , esp, since the isreali first attack iran ra ra has died down.

When looking at the U.S standard of living and the line of credit extended to us in the context of other nations and even our own history , one would think we are fairly lucky. one would also reason it won't last much longer and also that most of our taxes would go to service the intrest on this debt.

the world is never as rosey as it is painted in the press of in our history books, when we come to this realization i think some of us go off the deep end, (and some of us never get to the conclusion) . the big question i have is wether their is a centarlized agenda among the elite to bring about a one world gov't and more iron fisted gov't, or wether there are several strong but different circles of"secret" power battling each other w/o a grand master, and also

how much more is there to the "invisible world" which society ignore's (including consciousness and are there going to be any major shifts coming (with the belief that changes in sound frequency's would be the catalyst here) sound as creation

reply to post by cpdaman



All good questions...but i dont think there are going to be any satisfied answers. For one thing though, i think it will be almost impossible to have a one world government simply because half of this world operates under strict beleif structures that will have to be completely dismantled before they can be subdued under one government, one bank, one library etc...
Also there is too much greed...thats the root of all our evil and who knows, perhaps the NWO is trying to illiminate greed altogether by creating one bank and one government and maybe the real agenda is a little more amiable than what people beleive. It could be possible that there are rogue members and societies that operate under the umbrella of the NWO who take it upon themselves to spread negativity and hate. And by the way...food is slowly but surely becomming less afordable. That is of course you enjoy eating meats laced with antibiotics because meat without that crap costs an arm and a leg.

reply to post by GUICE2


Come on u know Cousin VINNIE

hAHAHAH YEA I KNOW cousing vinnie...i have one I think i might have two or three actually being a full bred 100% italiano....anyway, why is the mob getting our tax money? Waste management? I dont get that part...i was saying that the idiots who just sit on the boards of social programs have inflated salaries and thats where the extra funds are going when they should be going to better the system itself for the CITIZEns and not to huge bonuses for these mongrols.

Wow....some of you folks are a work of art in the making. Textbook.

The Government does not need your tax moneys at all. This should be very obvious to you by the workings of what is called deficit spending.
The Government can get all the moneys it needs by raising the deficit. How do you think they are financing this war against terrorism?? How are they financing all these medicare and social programs?? Think people...they are spending across the board..way more moneys than they are taking in ...for the war as well as social programs and give aways to other nations.

What the Government needs your moneys for is so that you dont have them and therefore you are not outspending them in the nations economy/marketplace.
By this process of deficits they ..the government can get to the goods and services first with thier deficit dollars and you take second place in the economy you work to maintain.

IF the Government does not reduce our bank numbers ...by the income tax we will be able to outbid the government for goods and services. The other reason they have to tax us is that if we outbid them unchecked in the marketplace...without a income tax...the moneys or money system will go to it real intrinsic value overnight...ZERO. This was not possible when moneys were gold, silver, and copper. Metals which were not easily debauched meant the Government had to use fiscal responsibility..not what it is doing today. Since gettiing away from gold and silver ...the government has tended to spend like a drunken whore.
No ....incorrect ...let me rephrase that statement...the government is giving drunken whores a bad name to cover up thier own fiscal whoredom.

The government doesnt need your moneys...they just dont want you to have them and become competition for how much they are stealing out of our economy by deficits. And it is stealing.
The government also wants to maintain the value of the dollar by limiting our ability to outbid them in the marketplace. Problem is that they are spending like drunks with the deficit moneys. They are having problems hiding it anymore. This is one of the reasons the dollar is going into the tank in this economy and the world economy.

Ron Paul is one of the few public speakers to mention this in his speechs. He has known this for at least some thirty years now. This is also why even the conservative republican whores in office and the media dont want Ron Paul in the running or to have much public exposure. Ron Paul knows to much about how this works. Remember this when you hear Ron Pauls name mentioned by the Conservatives looking out for you. These conservatives are as phoney as the liberals on spending and deficits. They are both lying to the public on the money issues and taxes.

Orangetom

Im surprised nobody hasnt mentioned the Grace Commission yet ???

In 1981 President Reagan wanted an assessment on where and what the goverment spent its money on. He was looking for ways to cut spending. He hired 150 of the top economic minds this country had to offer.

After 2 years and several million dollars spent doing the research, one of the things they discovered was this...

100% of all Federal Income tax revenue collected goes to pay the interest on the debt owed to the Federal Reserve. Not one dollar collected from our federal income tax pays for civic services.

You may be wondering, how this is possible ? Simple, roads are paid for by the tax collected on gasoline. The military is paid for by taxes on corporate profits. Schools paid for by property taxes, etc etc etc. Of course we had all these civic services BEFORE the 16th amendment in 1913 was passed.

Whats truly shocking to me is that the american people havent revolted over this. Their tax dollars are going directly into the hands of the private owners of the Fed.

The Federal tax as of course always designed to pay the interest...

Federal reserve Act - passed in 1913
16th Amendment - passed in 1913

[edit on 16-12-2007 by admriker444]

reply to post by GUICE2


if you refer to the US, the tax money went to Finance D.U.M.B

reply to post by admriker444


Whats the story with that amendment? How could they have said the income tax is constitutional after the constitution previously stated that direct taxes on citizen's income is unconstitutional? That judicial review makes not sense.....
WE need to expose this dont we?

Originally posted by admriker444
Im surprised nobody hasnt mentioned the Grace Commission yet ???

Probably because what you are about to say isn't true...

After 2 years and several million dollars spent doing the research, one of the things they discovered was this...

100% of all Federal Income tax revenue collected goes to pay the interest on the debt owed to the Federal Reserve.

That is not what the Grace Commission Report said at all because it's not true. Not even close. This is so simple to debunk. Let's look at the historical budget data, OK?

Here on page 30 we see in 2006 there was $1.04 trillion in receipts from individual income taxes. On page 54 we find the 2006 net interest outlay: $226 billion. Well, that means the net interest outlay equals about 20% of the receipts from individual income taxes. Still a lot but not this "100%" myth being spread by the ignorant.

Further reading about the Grace Commission Report myth can be found here.

Wait so what is the confirmed number of income taxes that goes to pay off the deficit? Any amount in my eyes would be wrong in the first place since thats not what that money should be used for.

reply to post by IAttackPeople


and the people that wrote that bogus essay will also tell us that our paychecks are liable for tax collections too.

Its a fat lie from blind lawyers working for and benefiting from the goverment.

Instead of believing some idiots incorrect INTERPRETATION I'll choose to stick to what the report actually stated, allow me to quote...

"100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government"

Seems pretty clear to me.

You don't have to believe anybody. The historical budget data that anyone can look at tells the story quite clearly. $1.04 trillion receipts in individual income taxes/$226 billion in interest outlay = 20%, not 100%.

Give it up. It's a myth. The myth is wrong. You are wrong.

P.S. Do you know what "Federal Government contributions to transfer payments" are?

Sir if this is true then could this not be considered a crime? Isnt this embezzlement and misappropriation of tax funds? These people need to be put on trial, especially when they have a system in place (IRS) that persecutes people and harrasses them till death for unpaid taxes....taxes that are used to fund programs that should not be funded by public money.