Texan 'hero' shoots and kills burglars

And if the burglars got away, they'd be laughing all the way.

Pretty disheartening to work hard at an honest living, save up, buy an expensive item and find some low-life has stolen it.

Imo, once you break and enter you've lost any rights you may have had.

Dead burglars don't come back.

It's not a GD game contrary to what some think....

Originally posted by eyewitness86
So I suppose all you bloodlusting right wingers would say it is just fine to EXECUTE burglars? Let's see...if a burglar gets caught why not just execute them before the police arrive? If the burglar goes to court and is found guilty of stealing then just put him in the electric chair..right? You MUST think the death penalty is Ok for stealing...this mad dog killer decided to murder two human beings and found the perfect opportunity to do so. The 9-11 operator told him NOt to go outside but this murderer was having none of that!! He wanted to KILL!!

Then, he killed..and now has to live with himself....but that souldn't be too hard as he has no sould and no conscience...murder plain and simple. Just because a person has the EXCUSE does NOT mean they have the RIGHT. It was WRONG to execute two men for petty thievery. I hope that this guy gets prison time..and has to spend it with a bunch of convicted burglars!!

People like you are so empowering for the criminal element. Lets go ahead and make criminals all comfy when they harm us (whether its by violence or simply stealing our stuff) the state of our jails are ridicuous.

This is one of those cases where the perps would probably get a slap on the wrist and be released on probation so they could go out and do it again, and again and again.

Bottom line....

PROBLEM SOLVED.

Hell if that even deters 1 other burgular it might have been worth it.

[edit on 1-12-2007 by ATruGod]

Originally posted by eyewitness86
So I suppose all you bloodlusting right wingers would say it is just fine to EXECUTE burglars? Let's see...if a burglar gets caught why not just execute them before the police arrive? If the burglar goes to court and is found guilty of stealing then just put him in the electric chair..right? You MUST think the death penalty is Ok for stealing...this mad dog killer decided to murder two human beings and found the perfect opportunity to do so. The 9-11 operator told him NOt to go outside but this murderer was having none of that!! He wanted to KILL!!

Then, he killed..and now has to live with himself....but that souldn't be too hard as he has no sould and no conscience...murder plain and simple. Just because a person has the EXCUSE does NOT mean they have the RIGHT. It was WRONG to execute two men for petty thievery. I hope that this guy gets prison time..and has to spend it with a bunch of convicted burglars!!

The point was not oh there's my neighbor's VCR going better shoot them guys. That's ridiculous. The point is he didn't KNOW what the heck was going on over there. What IF the neighbor's wife was there and was being raped, what IF they had a babysitter and kids in the house, What IF elderly lived in that house that could not defend themselves. Your saying well he should stay out of it. Let the 45 minute response professionals handle the situation. So the guys show up outside but he doesn't know what went on inside that house. Now to be burglarizing a house in a fairly populated neighborhood in the first place in plain daylight puts a big red flag up. Something wasn't quite right with the burglars.

The man went out of his safe zone to because he was concerned for his neighbors, into a great unknown. That is what I applaud. Not the execution but the willingness to get in harms way to find out what exactly was the situation. We now know the neighbors were OK , he didn't have that luxury.

The guy is a murderer. He was probably more anxious to get to kill someone without repercussion than to defend his neighbors property. Property is not worth someone's life, ever, good or bad.

He could just as easily have taken down a plate number, or gave the police a description. He's a killer, not a hero.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
The guy is a murderer. He was probably more anxious to get to kill someone without repercussion than to defend his neighbors property. Property is not worth someone's life, ever, good or bad.

He could just as easily have taken down a plate number, or gave the police a description. He's a killer, not a hero.

Again here we are....let them be, let the courts handle it.

For the record:

My Property is worked hard and long for. If someone comes to take it they deserve nothing less than Death, whether I kill them, my Neighbors, or the police with thier nasty tasers.

Why do you Bleeding Hearts have such a warm spot for Criminals?

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
The guy is a murderer. He was probably more anxious to get to kill someone without repercussion than to defend his neighbors property. Property is not worth someone's life, ever, good or bad.

I very much doubt that he as looking forward to killing someone. Nobody as yet knows what events transpired. If these criminals had multiple convictions then good riddance. You seem to forget these criminal iniated this chain of events, not the hero. How was he too know that they didn't have any weapons on them as well, better to get your self out of the danger zone and put them down.

He could just as easily have taken down a plate number, or gave the police a description. He's a killer, not a hero.

And what ? Nothing would have happened/ Good on him for doing something proactive about it.

BTW. A shotgun isn't a finesse weapon. So it is highly ulikely that you could knee cap them. With a shotgun you aim for the centre mass.

reply to post by ATruGod


Sorry buddy, but your property isn't worth anyone's life. It's just stuff. And that comment makes me think that you are unbelievably selfish.

reply to post by mad scientist


He had no idea what they had. They likely didn't have any weapons, and didn't pose immediate physical harm to anyone. He had no reason to believe that they did other than they stole some property. Once again, things aren't worth someone's life If you think that way, then you're no better than someone who would kill while stealing.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
reply to post by ATruGod

 

Sorry buddy, but your property isn't worth anyone's life. It's just stuff. And that comment makes me think that you are unbelievably selfish.

Are you kidding me? I bust my a$$ 40+ hours a week, I've raised 2 awesome children (almost to adulthood), I'm getting robbed by the government and every other company that can force something on me and your going to tell me some yahoo shooting up drugs (or for whatever screwed up reason they have) is entitled to come in and strip me of what I've worked for because property isnt worth hurting for?

If that's selfish then fine I'm about as selfish as they get.

You go ahead and keep being complacent and I'll continue to be selfish.

reply to post by ATruGod


1- If it were your children, or your neighbors children in a bag being carried out, that's fine. Shoot the bastard to protect a life.

2- Who said these robbers are entitled to anything aside from the right to live? Theft doesn't warrant the death penalty. And if you feel like blaming this guy for your frustrations against the government and big corporations then you, and this yahoo with a shotgun need to find a better place to vent your frustration.

reply to post by Rasobasi420


Why don't you go ahead and read the links provided on what is authorized in Texas. Your opinion is noted but you have to deal with the reality of what just happened. A legal way to solve a problem was carried out.

If that doesn't fit into your version of reality then there is nothing any of us can do to help you. Get over it or do something to change it so it fits into your world. Those are your 2 options.

I also applaud all the members that have replied and understand that this was a proper way to handle this situation. Another member said that it was worth it if it prevents someone else from breaking the law. This man's actions will prevent countless other crimes from taking place, and any one of them could have involved you as the victim. Put the fear back where it belongs, in the minds of the criminals, not the public.

Texans have laws and they are allowed to enforce them. That is the bottom line.

The simple truth is that insurance would have likely covered the cost of anything lost. The robbers would have likely been caught if the killer had taken their description, gave their plate and car information, and assisted in any other way possible.

Originally posted by NJ Mooch
reply to post by Rasobasi420

 

Texans have laws and they are allowed to enforce them. That is the bottom line.

Then stop complaining about the government taxing you and corporations steeling your money.

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right. I'm sure you can agree with that.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420


He had no idea what they had. They likely didn't have any weapons, and didn't pose immediate physical harm to anyone. He had no reason to believe that they did other than they stole some property.

This is America isn't it ? I would assume that most of the time criminals are armed rather than not. As I have already said, you are amking assumptions based on loack of knowlede about what went on.

It's truly a puzzle, because deterrence has been shown not to work, iirc.

Some countries will cut off the hand of the person who steals.

Not sure if crimes of theft are less frequent in those regimes.

Sometimes I like the mantra 'an armed society is a polite society'.

I also like the idea that taking a license number would be a good idea, but most criminals will steal the car they use. So, uh, cancel that - though good thought.

This shows why we need to understand the mindset of 'predators'. It's different than 'civilians'. The predators have now learned to use the legal system as another of their 'tools'. You do anything they sue you.
Heck they probably have 'classes' on this in lockup. Another reason why the use of prisons isn't always a good idea. We've created our own 'botany bay' and these predators are only getting better and more adept at doing crimes when they get out.

Though it's not exactly 'justice' in the societal sense, it can be appropriate justice for the individual. That's a key concept.

In a twisted sort of way, it might be good for a society to read about perps that got instant justice now and then.

(shrug)

Originally posted by mad scientist
This is America isn't it ? I would assume that most of the time criminals are armed rather than not. As I have already said, you are amking assumptions based on loack of knowlede about what went on.

I guess we're both guilty of making assumptions. However, in my scenario everyone lives. In your's people die.

Originally posted by Badge01
This shows why we need to understand the mindset of 'predators'. It's different than 'civilians'. The predators have now learned to use the legal system as another of their 'tools'.

Interesting point. Someone got away with shooting an unarmed person to death using the legal system. It seems to me that if anyone is using the legal system as a tool to get away with predatory acts it's the guy at the butt end of the shotgun.

I hope hes locked up for life, he was just looking for a legal method to murder people.

He was told not to kill them but did anyway. It wasnt self defence, he was in no danger, they were not armed.

Theres no way he a hero any more than someone would be a hero for killing a person who was speeding or writing graffiti.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
reply to post by ATruGod

 

Who said these robbers are entitled to anything aside from the right to live?

Its called rights:

They get the right to 3 meals a day and a nice warm comfy bed after we've expended thousands and thousands of dollars for thier right to a fair trial, even though they just stripped someone of thier right to be safe in thier own home (and may never feel safe again), that is if they even get convicted. That is if the Law even find them in the first place (you know after letting them be).

Nobody has the right to strip me of my sense of freedom (lol well besides the government...which they have been good at). Tell me isnt that the reason WE have the Right to Bear Arms?

Originally posted by Flyer
I hope hes locked up for life, he was just looking for a legal method to murder people.

He was told not to kill them but did anyway. It wasnt self defence, he was in no danger, they were not armed.

Theres no way he a hero any more than someone would be a hero for killing a person who was speeding or writing graffiti.

If the Law posted above( page 1) is Factual then I'd say he appears to have been in the bounds of the Law.