Military air space to be holiday 'express lane' (Bush allowing passenger planes over military air

Military air space to be holiday 'express lane' (Bush allowing passenger planes over military airspace)

www.cnn.com

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Ahead of the holiday travel crunch, President Bush ordered steps Thursday to reduce air traffic congestion and long delays that have left passengers stranded.
The most significant change is that the Pentagon will open unused military airspace from Florida to Maine to create "a Thanksgiving express lane" for commercial airliners. It will be open next week for five days -- Wednesday through Sunday -- for the busiest days of Thanksgiving travel.

Officials said the chief benefit would be to speed takeoffs from New York airports, particularly during bad weather

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I find this....interesting...to say the least. Makes me wonder what could happen...Seriously, has military airspace ever been opened like this for passenger planes?

Then again,this just might be a nice gesture from our President to ease travel woes...Who knows...

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Hmmm... so NORAD would effectively be useless if they had to get interceptors anywhere on the East Coast for that week. The way I've heard it explained is that commercial flights have a 2,000 feet altitude clearance and the military use the space in between, so there's always 1000 ft separation. If every 1000 ft level is being used by commercial flights, it would be too dangerous to fly a military jet in the same corridor. Are we setting ourselves up for a disaster again?

Part of me wants to say this is could be used as a set up for another 9/11 type attack on military targets.

And with the recent news of bomb parts being easily smuggled onto passenger jets who knows.

reply to post by Golack


Hi Golack, I was thinking the same thing a few minutes ago about the bomb parts being smuggled in airports recently. You know, at this point, there have been so many predictions made about this and that lately, you just don't know anymore. I just find this very suspicious and at a very suspicious time...(reserve troops being called up for Iran, etc.). Time will tell...I hope my fears are wrong...

Originally posted by wrangell76
I find this....interesting...to say the least.

There's an understatement!

I guess since Posse Comitatus has been done away with it's only fair that civilians get a quid pro quo somewhere.

Why this year?

Is this travel season supposed to be so much busier than the last six years?




File this one under "hmmmm..."
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reply to post by Gools


That is a good question about "why this year?" Could line up with all the predictions about attacking Iran??? I have to wonder about our government's sanity to open military airspace. But I think everyone is already questioning that lately anyway...lol

And I don't think this travel season is any different...In fact I would think it would be decreased because of many individuals economic woes...

I hope it's only to boost Bush's popularity or something along those lines, but like yall, I just dont know anymore..

Originally posted by wrangell76
Then again,this just might be a nice gesture from our President to ease travel woes...Who knows...

I believe you got it right with that statement. Not everything has to be a conspiracy of some sorts. People need to give credit where credit is due. This is actually a good idea to help relieve some congestion in the skies. As for why.....well, perhaps nobody thought of it before or perhaps since technology has improved, the chance of a accident is minimal these days given the accuracy of GPS and other such navigational aids.

Sensationalists!

Simple explanation.

Thanksgiving is the busiest travel period of the year in the US. Airlines expect to fly some 27 million people over a 12-day period beginning on Friday.

President Bush also unveiled plans, due to take effect by mid-2008, to double the compensation passengers get when forced off overbooked flights to $800 for those stranded more than two hours for another flight.

The proposals also included requiring airlines to give the US Department of Transportation a more thorough accounting of causes of flight delays, and to develop contingency plans to help stranded passengers.

Wow, he's really giving back to us, ain't he? Although, that stranded bonus, I want to be stranded to get an 800$ ticket!

Originally posted by Gools
Why this year?

Is this travel season supposed to be so much busier than the last six years?

Good question.

I've heard of so many people losing their homes and/or jobs...things are really tight for many. And with fuel so high, well that's got to up the price of tickets.

For many who have been hit hard financially there's talk of either a sparse Christmas or no Christmas at all.

It's hard to imagine that this season will be so busy that opening these lanes are necessary.

Sure doesn't feel right for some reason. I hope we are not about to be given the 'gift' that keeps on giving, as in an excuse for perpetual war.

Sorry but I don't trust them...they've given me way to many reasons not to.

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe


This has nothing to do with altitude differences or anything else. They're opening two operating areas off the East Coast that are normally restricted airspace. The airspace around NYC and Atlanta is some of the most crowded airspace in the US. By opening these two corridors they're freeing up a LOT of airspace to get planes out of those areas faster.

Q: Where are the two air corridors that are being made available to commercial flights?

A: They're just off the East Coast, extending from an area near Long Island in New York to a spot in the Atlantic east of the Florida-Georgia border. From that point, the corridors meet up with flight paths already available to civilian aircraft. One of the paths goes north, the other goes south. In both corridors, commercial airliners are allowed to fly at altitudes of 24,000 feet and higher.

Q: What is the administration hoping to accomplish?

A: It's all about reducing congestion in the crowded skies around New York -- which is to blame for 75 percent of the nation's air traffic delays.

The chief goal is to "get people out of the New York area quicker, especially if we have (bad) weather up and down the East Coast," said Nancy Kalinowski, systems operations vice president at the FAA.

www.nctimes.com...

It has NOTHING to do with keeping the military from intercepting anything. It's two large exercise areas for the military that aren't in use at this time, that civilian planes are being allowed to use.

Even WITHOUT the holidays the ATC system is almost overloaded. The holidays are ALWAYS a huge increase in travel. As was pointed out before they're expecting 27 million in 12 DAYS. NYC and Atlanta are two MAJOR international entry corridors into the US. Between international flights, and domestic flights that's some of the busiest airspace in the world.

[edit on 11/17/2007 by Zaphod58]

What a joke this president is... He is beyond moron. He never fails to amaze me. Bush puppet at play.

reply to post by CPYKOmega


Please enlighten us oh great one why this particular decision makes this president a joke and or how puppets relate to the discussion. In the mean time it might be prudent to offer up a post that's relevant and contributory to the thread topic. Otherwise people might think that you're, well, a joke, imagine that.

he's implying that this move creates a lot of room for an "attack" on the country. bush swears up and down that we need more security to prevent any terrorist threats but then he goes and clogs up the airspace over the eastern seaboard which will not only make military flights virtually impossible, but will greatly increase the amount of 747 missiles if someone were so inclined to use them as such.

it has false flag written all over it. the possibilities are just too great with this move. and if something really happens to that effect, it will have been so blatant that i would be purely insulted as an american citizen and a human being. but hey, no one can predict the future, right? just use past events to make the best judgment possible. oh...wait...

How? You have the EXACT SAME number of planes as other holiday years, flying the EXACT SAME number of routes. The ONLY difference is that they're giving them more airspace to fly them in, to decrease congestion around two sites that are the most congested in the United States. It will NOT make military flights "virtually impossible" or make military flights ANY harder than they are now.

[edit on 11/18/2007 by Zaphod58]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
reply to post by CPYKOmega

 

Please enlighten us oh great one why this particular decision makes this president a joke and or how puppets relate to the discussion. In the mean time it might be prudent to offer up a post that's relevant and contributory to the thread topic. Otherwise people might think that you're, well, a joke, imagine that.

First off I speak the truth. Second off this presidency has been a complete fallacy. If you don't agree then you have had your head under a bush (no pun intended) since he was inaugurated. He is one, a moron, two a puppet, and three thinks the situation of the world is a joke.

It it not this particular decision that makes him a joke it is the numerous past decisions such as the patriot act, 911, the new world order, the government spying, the illuminati, the bilderbergs, the constant hypocrisy that makes him a joke.

Thanks for playing.

On the face of it this sounds like a sensible move. Has someone up the food chain been taking drugs or drinking again?

Hope my flight to Charlotte of Thursday isn't early though as it's a bugger sitting on the tarmac waiting for a free gate or finding that the Customs and Immigration guys are still wolfing down the coffee and donuts and making everyone wait