Patriot Act - This really peeves me off!

I'm posting this because I think everyone should know what's going on behind your backs.
How could this get passed through without us knowing?
Since when did government become the centralized power? This is absolutely devasting to read.
People need to start coming together, because the people that are together are at the top and they're
making very very bad decisions.

Welcome to Martial law.





1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, insuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn�t vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House�s own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offence.


2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.


I challenge all Americans to study the new Patriot Act and to compare it to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights and grants the government and its private agents total immunity.


Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:


SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration�s �enemy combatant� definition to all American citizens who �may� have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is �any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.�) Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn�t broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.


Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person �had inferred from conduct� that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the �enemy combatant� terrorist designation.


SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.


SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of �suspected terrorists� and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as �terrorist.� These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.


SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the �enemy combatant� designation.



SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.



SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.



SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contemp charges against any i ndividual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.



SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: �this is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever.�



SECTION 111 expands the definition of the �enemy combatant� designation.



SECTION 122 restates the government�s newly announced power of �surveillance without a court order.�



SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, �thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime.�



*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.



SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to totally break down any and all walls of privacy.


The government states that they must look at everything to �determine� if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.



SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners� and medical examiners� operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton�s special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.



SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.



SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal agents.



SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.



SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.



SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to �stop other unlawful activities.� It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.



SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.



SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures � has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.



SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.



SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.



SECTION 402 is titled �Providing Material Support to Terrorism.� The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.



SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.



SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or �other criminals� to use encryption in the commission of a crime.



SECTION 408 creates �lifetime parole� (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.



SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.



SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.



SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.



SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities.




[Edited on 29-1-2004 by TrueLies]

Patriot 2, in its entirety, is not going to be passed...but it isnt good that a thing like this even exists, and is being pushed by ashcroft. Parts of it might be slipped in here and there. Bush said in his speech with high priority that the patriot act must continue...so it will probably be redrawn up and made even worse...of course everyone cheered after this part because he mentioned that "terrorism" will not cease, so neither should the patriot act, as it is a necessary tool for capturing terrorists.

If it passes and things start going sour then there will be a second revolution or cival war if you please. There have even been predictions that the US will have a second cival war.

If their is you can bet your ass i'll be there.
I am totally pissed off that the "American" government would write up such filth! You have no idea how much animosity I have for them right now.

Greedy bastards that got lost somewhere up there ass, and the longer they've been stuck up there the more scumy they've become.

They are trying to rewrite everything America stands for.


AND THAT IS WRONG.

There better be a second civil war. It's our duty. If not a civil war then at least a revolution where Americans who vote wake up and realise the people they have put in power are not looking after the constituents best interests, and vote them out plain and simple. This legislation will never be passed in its entirety as Shoktek stated already.

I also noticed during the State of the Union that when the President mentioned that the Patriot Act is almost expired, a large portion of the attendees cheered and clapped. Those are my people.

Originally posted by Kriskaos
If it passes and things start going sour then there will be a second revolution or cival war if you please. There have even been predictions that the US will have a second cival war.

Do we have another John Titor follower?

A second civil war could be possible depending on what happens, and how informed the public is about it...

Originally posted by insite
There better be a second civil war. It's our duty. If not a civil war then at least a revolution where Americans who vote wake up and realise the people they have put in power are not looking after the constituents best interests, and vote them out plain and simple. This legislation will never be passed in its entirety as Shoktek stated already.

I also noticed during the State of the Union that when the President mentioned that the Patriot Act is almost expired, a large portion of the attendees cheered and clapped. Those are my people.

Mine too.



Isn't it true that the people don't really vote in the president? I thought it was the electoral college.

Originally posted by Kriskaos
If it passes and things start going sour then there will be a second revolution or cival war if you please. There have even been predictions that the US will have a second cival war.

Which is what I have been saying all along. The American people WILL put up with CRAP, if it is for thier safety, BUT will ONLY put up with CRAP as long as it doesn't stink.

Yeah the electoral college votes in the President. But, the president can't pass legislation, he can only recommend it. It's our congress and senate that pass laws and we do have direct elections of those representatives.

sorry I dont even know who john titor is or whatever. I just dont like whats going on right now. And I know people will wake up and fight if they have to. Good thing for local millitia's... Anyone have any info on DARPAS REX program ( the us concentration camps for citizens I heard that there is a huge section at Denver airport.)

Originally posted by Kriskaos
sorry I dont even know who john titor is or whatever. I just dont like whats going on right now. And I know people will wake up and fight if they have to. Good thing for local millitia's... Anyone have any info on DARPAS REX program ( the us concentration camps for citizens I heard that there is a huge section at Denver airport.)

Here's your answer for John Titor...

johntitor.strategicbrains.com...

All I can find so far on DARPA and Rex is some guys name, and things on DARPA

What do you think they want to use those concentration camps for???

And for whom? Is this an idea they took of Hitler?

I'm curious to know why that garbage is even in this country....


There really needs to a people's militia there needs to something better then just "voting" people in or out.
I'm not saying use force all the time, but all this garbage that is going on and we can't do anything about it but get pissed??? Doesn't that go to show that we're not in control when we should be?

This is bogus . The way this country is being ran is a total joke with bogus people in charge of education, with bogus people in charge of politics, with bogus people in charge of how things run...

This is a frikking three ring circus for god sakes!

Originally posted by TrueLies
What do you think they want to use those concentration camps for???

I've found this

www.apfn.org...

and this

www.commondreams.org...

and this

www.mindcontrolforums.com...

You know, this last one is OLD. From 1976

"On April 20, 1976, after a rapid and thorough investigation, I filed suit on behalf of the People of the United States against various personages that had a key part in a conspiratorial program to do away with the United States as we know it."


Of course these are all "comments" and webpages created by public folk, you'll never find the "truth" about something if it really exists, unless someone deep inside, comes out and says something, then that will be met with scepticism and disbelief.



[Edited on 29-1-2004 by NetStorm]

Ok first of all we need to know how far this rabbit hole goes.. Meaning we dont know if its the gov thats doing this maybe its someone in the shadows.I dunno im not an expert in the whole NWO thing nor in secret societies. All we can do is hope for the best or fight trying. . Oh and netstorm I looked up the john titor a lot to read at once but sounds to wierd. looks like back to the future was his basis.

Originally posted by Kriskaos
Ok first of all we need to know how far this rabbit hole goes.. Meaning we dont know if its the gov thats doing this maybe its someone in the shadows.I dunno im not an expert in the whole NWO thing nor in secret societies. All we can do is hope for the best or fight trying. . Oh and netstorm I looked up the john titor a lot to read at once but sounds to wierd. looks like back to the future was his basis.

The rabbit hole is quite deep. Thats why I amde the comment about how LONG AGO this "concentration camp" thing has been around

www.mindcontrolforums.com...

He filed the motion in 1976.--28 years ago.
A person would think, that in 28 years SOMEONE would have managed to get something out, if there was some kind of evidence to this.