the draft is getting closer

out come the people who are patriotic because they think its cool. This war in iraq is not in defense of our country. If you believe that you are naive.

As for the draft, the prime age is between 22 and 25 if I remember correctly. If your 18 then you probably won't be sent. Don't bother going to canada, they have a deal with America to extradite any draft dodgers. You're better off heading to Mexico.

As for me? I won't go. I will not fight in an unjust war for an unjust reason. I will not participate in the illegal occupation of another country. I will not participate in the murder of innocent people. I will not go to Iraq.

If we were concentrating fully on Al Qaeda...thats another story. But we aren't.

I'm not going to help some wannabe dictator realize his imperialistic goals.

Originally posted by cyberpilot
I cant believe my eyes, you boys are willing to live here and enjoy the freedom and wealth of this great country, but you wont defend her?? go to canada or somewhere and stay.

I agree whole heartedly with you on this statement. I may not respect the decisions made by the government but I will serve my country if that is what is asked of me.

all right there are many of you taking against people dodging...for our supposed freedoms that we take for granted??

well I am not in high spirits to go and fight a war for some hothead president that is taking more of my constitutional rights away everyday.

fighting in iraq is not fighting for freedom (why would anyone say that it is?).

there is no free press in america.

the constitution is being dismantled.

the investigation of 911 is being stonewalled because the bush administration is in bed with the perpetrators -- in a country that is never mentioned with the war on terror.

the commander-in-chief is a deserter.

keep waving your little flags and crying out freedom while your rights are systematically recinded and your countrymen are sent off as cannon fodder units for rich globalist elites to become more rich and powerful.

keep believing the lies of a media that refuses to talk about key issues that would bring about the impeachment and imprisonment of the bush regime.

www.theticker.org...

The Joke is No Longer Funny

by WAYNE SNEEDEN
December 08, 2003


Our professors have joked about it. We joke about it with our friends. But it�s just a joke, a relic from the �bad old days.� The draft is gone forever, isn�t it? Think again.

Become acquainted with the Universal National Service Act of 2003, H.R. 163, introduced on January 7, 2003. This act, can be found on the website of the U.S. Congress at (www.congress.gov...).

This act as seen on the website states: Universal National Service Act of 2003

Title: A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

It declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service. Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

Let�s take a look at the contentions in this bill for a moment. First, we notice that it becomes the �obligation� of every person in the United States between 18 and 26 to serve two years in the military. �Obligation,� means no choice in the matter. In addition, the Military Selective Service Act is amended to include women. It would appear that this also extends to non-citizens and immigrants, based on the phrase, �every other person residing in the United States.�

Exemptions do apply, however, like those considered �conscientious objectors.� Conscientious objectors are not necessarily exempt from the draft. People who refuse to fight or fire a weapon are instead placed in non-combat stations of the military. Others who refuse to be in anything military-related for moral or ethical reasons, according the Selective Service System 2004 website (sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm), would be placed in �Alternate Service� areas specializing in �conservation, caring for the very young or very old, education or health care� for the same 24 month (two year) period.

There is also the ominous phrase in the act that speaks of drafting for ��furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.� These �other purposes� remain unclear, but are dictated by whatever the president deems appropriate. This is the same president who dodged the draft years ago. But I digress.

H.R. 163 also teams with its sister bill, S. 89. These are two separate bills, written with the exact same lingo. The difference? One sits with the House, the other with the Senate.

Forget your dreams of attending college, getting a job and then developing a career and starting a family. All of these plans can be severely disrupted, if not irrevocably changed by this mandatory government service.

When will this happen? Both bills are on the floor of the Congress, waiting to be picked up and voted on. It is unlikely that we will see this before the election in 2004. No president seriously seeking reelection would dare try to impose a mandatory draft and military service. However, once Bush ends up with a second term, he is basically free to do anything he wants. Look for this in 2005, according to the Selective Service System fiscal year 2004 plan (sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html).

President Bush is spending $28 million (see plans 1-3 at the above website for dollar amounts) to have the Selective Service system ready to report to him on March 31, 2005, and then to have the system ready for activation within 75 days. This would make the approximated date of the return of the draft June 15, 2005. All of these numbers can be figured out by reading the above link.

Keep in mind, those of you who are ready to become conscientious objectors, that the world is a vastly different place than it was during the last draft. Applicants will be scrutinized more closely than ever. Those counting on student deferments to keep themselves out of the draft will be disappointed to find that that is no longer guaranteed. And don�t even think about running to Canada. Entry into Canada is exceptionally difficult, with all visitors being heavily questioned before entry is allowed, combined with the agreement between Canada and the U.S. to expedite return of those wanted by the U.S.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is no joke. This is not the mindless rambling of a paranoid conspiracy theorist. You think I�m f***ing with you? I am not f***ing with you.

This sucks, I don�t want to be forced to serve. Then speak up. Become informed. Tell your friends, who will fall into the age range of 18-26. Talk to your local congress people. Hold peaceful rallies. If you don�t want this, take action to stop it now, before it is too late.

it would be better to go to jail then to serve a government who created this war to gain middle eastern land.


your not fighting for your country your fightig for the leaders in governments greed. Id rather go to jail.



peace.

Originally posted by samfashow
all right there are many of you taking against people dodging...for our supposed freedoms that we take for granted??

well I am not in high spirits to go and fight a war for some hothead president that is taking more of my constitutional rights away everyday.

You and I do not know all of the truth behind why we went to war in Iraq we just don't. We will not know the full truth until we read about it in History Books. Thats just the way things like this go.

If Clinton was president and a draft was introduced and I was drafted to go to Iraq I would go. I would go not because I want to kill people, not because I think the cause is right, not because I like Clinton or whoever may be the president. I will go because I have been called by my country to fight. It is not for me to decide whether or not the cause is right it is my duty to fight for my country.

Many people may say think for yourself man your letting the government think for you! Well, to answer you no I am not letting the government or anyone else think for me. I live in the USA and I enjoy all the freedoms that go along with it and all I have to do is pay my taxes. But, from time to time this country calls on its people to be more than tax payers and when that time comes I will be ready to serve.

Plan and simple I love the USA! and I will do all that I can to preserve it for future generations.

I never said to defend your country, I said to do your duty. I think this war, unlike the one against the taliban and AQ. is bull# myself. I am voting against bush and his corrupt cronies.....BUT

I would not run to another country and hide if called upon I would either tell them no and face the music, or do my duty to my country. If you are against violance you can be a medic or such, there are other things you can do than run.

That's good advice, Amuk.

I would express my opposition to being drafted and let the cookie crumble from there. I will not kill anyone, especially for what I believe to be an unjust war. War is big business, let us not forget that. This fighting for freedom excuse is simply nonsense.

"Freedom is a state of mind"-Corporate Avenger

BlackJackal...it is not supporting your country, it is supporting Bush's illegal war. He does it to preserve our way of life which is freedom and democracy, yet now is coming up with more ways to take those freedoms away (revised patriot act coming along in his next term). Bush himself dodged vietnam, why should he be sending people to get killed when he didnt fight in a corrupt war himself? What you really have to think is "Am I willing to die for this illegal useless war, and for Bush?"

I think you can do community service if drafted anyway so that would be a better option than fighting..

I'm sorry, but I have DONE my service to my country. I served in the Infantry for the Marines for 4 years, and I oppose the draft heavily.

The whole idea repulses me. No one should be forced into service, otherwise it eliminates the idea of free speach and freedom of opinion.

Take Viet Nam for instance. There was no need to draft people due to the severe lack of national threat.

But if the power is there, there is no reason it can not happen again.

I can honestly guarantee that if there is any real threat to this nation, the military, private citizens, chickens, cows, zoo monkeys, gang members, and mailmen will be lining up to kick some ass.

Our military might is severely diminished due to the dilution of members who are spread world wide.

Let me say this once and for all.

America is for all people; people who want to fight, people who don't, and people who wouldn't fight even to save their own lives. And America protects their personal ideals and provides them a place not to be pursecuted for them (in theory).

So to suggest that they should move out is the same as Republicans saying that anti-war protesters and advocates are Un-American.

It is they who are Un-American for not understanding the Constitution of the United States.

ur nothin but a coward ilovepizza

I would think that the USA already has enough troops in Iraq and afganistan i saw on the news that they were going to bring troops home and replace them with "fresh troops" this seems suspicious i think ther up to something thought i could of misunderstanded wat tha news guy siad it was on NBC i think

hey if your the only kid like me youll never go to war.

if i choose to I do not have to go, I am an only child with no father and im the only one who can continue the family bloodline. (I THINK)

I really doubt there would be a draft. If there was I would do one of two things. Volunteer, or march straight into DC with demands for the return of government to it's rightful place. That would be, "We the People" , man I really need to bump some of my older posts...

Any one have a neon sign I can barrow?

I'm an only child too. I'm also in Grad school full time. They take that into consideration right? ....right?

Anyway, I have plans....none of which involve slowing dying in the desert, choking on my own blood, trying to hold in my own intestines because my misguided government forced me to go to a pointless war.

I still cant believe you bunch of sissies, if you arent willing to serve your country, pick another one theres plenty out there...pointless wars, the governments is corrupt, iraq was no threat blah blah blah blah.....but when the shyt hits the fan are you all gonna jump up and say oh its our fault?...hell no youre gonna blame the government (or whomever is closest)...

SPINELESS thats all, concientious objectors...ok...but dont use it if you dont believe it...

everyone seems to like JFK...anyone remember this?

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what can you do for your country"

America, love it or get the phuck out.

They take that into consideration right? ....right?

Not any more they did back in Nam but not now.

Originally posted by cyberpilot
I still cant believe you bunch of sissies, if you arent willing to serve your country, pick another one theres plenty out there...pointless wars, the governments is corrupt, iraq was no threat blah blah blah blah.....but when the shyt hits the fan are you all gonna jump up and say oh its our fault?...hell no youre gonna blame the government (or whomever is closest)...

SPINELESS thats all, concientious objectors...ok...but dont use it if you dont believe it...

everyone seems to like JFK...anyone remember this?

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what can you do for your country"

America, love it or get the phuck out.

Are you in the military? If not, shut the # up. If yes, than excuse me for my early offensive attack And, I'm tired of you spitting out all this crap about how we're all traitors for not being in the military and just being lazy #s and not serving our beloved country. Well # you, I'm 16 as well and I'm as hell not going to serve in the military under this dumbass president.

[Edited on 29-1-2004 by TheCatalyst]

LMAO...you tell me to shut up...no I'm not in the military...I just got out...bite me punk.

oops, sorry, I just saw the advanced apology.

[Edited on 29-1-2004 by cyberpilot]