Discovery Launches at 11:38 EDT. Expects to Reach and Dock With ISS in 44 Hours!

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Spacecraft are light-colored objest, as I pointed out, for a reason.

Not secret ones...



Black Carbon Fiber Shell...
Black matte painting for camouflage, probable stealth radar observing properties.
It had the capability of deploying Nuclear mines through a special cannon and one heck of a laser weapon...

Funny they never found that in the recovery...
No member of the Reagan or Bush administrations ever admitted or revealed publicly any knowledge of it and The US Navy made no statements about any attempts to investigate the wreckage , which lies on the floor of the South Pacific.

I could get into other special 'coatings" but not now I will have time to continue that next week

Originally posted by buddhasystem

There are two strategies of reducing the dose -- you either keep the shell very light so there aren't a lot of showers, or use massive shields,

Well there are other methods that i will call 'special paint' for now... but as to the massive shields...

Here is what NASA had in 1964

ACTIVE SHIELDING CONCEPTS FOR THE IONIZING RADIATION IN SPACE
Contract NASw-502 Final Report Rev. 31 Jan. 1964

www.thelivingmoon.com...

[edit on 15-11-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by weedwhacker

My offer stands - when I come visit LAS I'll treat you to a beer. Maybe I should not make this offer public...but you are interesting, and I'd love to pick your brain. Ooops, that sounds terrible, but I hope you know what I meant. Cheers

Yeah, well dream on weedwhacker. Like I'm going to share the secrets of the Universe for a beer?

The last price I quoted and I believe it was several months ago here on ATS was you show up with:

1 bottle of Courvoisier XO, and
2 Cohiba Esplendidos

and we will talk. Anything less than that takes a hike down Hollywood Blvd.

Nice try though.

reply to post by johnlear


Laugh out loud! OK, it's a deal!! Yeah, although I may be a cheap date, you certainly aren't.

Be safe, enjoy your family (I know you enjoy your grandkids, saw you mention them before).

Cheers

don't know about the cigars, but germaine robin brandy is fantastic! or some great sonoma/napa county wines? LOL! thanks for the columns.

reply to post by zorgon


Thanks for the pic. There is a link in Russian wih detailed info on that unit and a few nice pics of its own:

www.buran.ru...

Now, this link explains that there was so little gear running inside the Poluys that they had to paint it black to keep temperature in the right range :

www.buran.ru...

So there, Zorgon. Thanks for the link.

I'm sorry I didn't look for sources in English and stayed with the original text.


[edit on 15-11-2007 by buddhasystem]

Originally posted by buddhasystem
I'm sorry I didn't look for sources in English and stayed with the original text.

That's okay I already went through all this in the other thread anyway... this... and a whole lot more... like the Black Horses

(coming soon to a thread near here... )

Well gotta run... duty calls SOME of us have to still work for a living

Originally posted by buddhasystem


Now, this link explains that there was so little gear running inside the Poluys that they had to paint it black to keep temperature in the right range :

That -may- be true. Or it may be bogus info put out there for security purposes. I know there are some very special coatings used in the space program, and even some that have properties that make the space shuttle tiles look like yesterday's technology.

There are other reasons a spacecraft could be coated in black pigment, so I will take the lack temperature generating equipment with a grain of salt on this one.

However, this still does not mean, in the least, that there is a secret space station up there, the idea is preposterous when common sense, reason and logic is applied to it.

Originally posted by zorgon
That's okay I already went through all this in the other thread anyway... this...

So, now you understand why some of the crafts were dark
and some light colored? Heat balance.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by buddhasystem


So the sun doesn't produce any heat that would warm the spacecraft?

Thanks again for the information and your post.

If I put you up in Nanuvut with a temperature of -20 degrees Celsius in the blistering sun why will you feel cold? Isn't the sun supposed to be making heat ? Why is there snow on the ground if the sun is making so much heat?

reply to post by sr71b


I think this was a simple topic to address, though. John was just trying to be sarcastic in the face of the obvious explanation to his fairly simple question, though. I'm glad that Zorgon pulled up that Polyus link because it nicely illustrates that the thermal energy balance within the craft depends on both amount of solar energy absorbed AND the heat generated by the craft's systems. At it should be.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

I'm glad that Zorgon pulled up that Polyus link because it nicely illustrates that the thermal energy balance within the craft depends on both amount of solar energy absorbed AND the heat generated by the craft's systems. At it should be.

Thanks for the post BS. So since the Polyus had no electronics or other stuff in it they had to paint it black to heat it up? Interesting.

So you believe that the sun radiates an energy that can heat things up in space if an object is painted black and that this energy can be reflected away if the object is painted white. Is that correct?

Thanks again for the post and your infinite patience.

reply to post by johnlear


Capt, not sure where to find the cigars...they're not Cuban, are they?

I know Bill Cosby is a cigar afficionado (afishianodo? how the heck do you spell that word, anyway??) and he stores some of his cigars here in DC. If only I could meet him too...

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Capt, not sure where to find the cigars...they're not Cuban, are they?

The Cohiba Esplendido is Cuba'a finest cigar. They can be found for between$60 and $100 dollars apiece. Real Cohibas in the U.S. are rare. 99% of the Cuban cigars sold in the US are fake.

The only person I know who gets real Cuban cigars is Barron Hilton and he gets them through a diplomatic pouch. And he doesn't share them with me.

The only other place to find a real one is Davidoff's in London. You can't get one in Cuba because they are all exported. At least thats the way it worked 10 years ago.

I know Bill Cosby is a cigar afficionado (afishianodo? how the heck do you spell that word, anyway??) and he stores some of his cigars here in DC. If only I could meet him too...

Aficionado. I flew Bill many times when I flew charter for Clay Lacy Aviation. He would certainly have access to real Cuban cigars.

And just a reminder. If you ever do show up with the bottle of Courvoisier XO and the 2 Cohiba Esplendidos, if you want anything to drink or smoke yourself be sure and bring it along.

reply to post by johnlear


Capt Lear,

Thanks for the info. While I don't smoke (never smoked anything) I do enjoy the occasional 'adult beverage'.

I know this forum isn't the place, I will not bore others except to say...my offer is genuine, even if I won't find any cigars that are. Doesn't mean I won't try. Upwards of $100 each? Don't expect me to bring you a box of them!

Offer is, and I will not discuss details on an open forum thread, when I next visit LAS, if you are in town and not busy...I would very much enjoy a chance to meet you. (I will come bearing gifts, of course). I will have wine, for me.

I sign off, with respect. And you can call me TJ.

(everyone now can call me TJ)!

reply to post by sr71b


sr71b makes an interesting point. One doesn't have to be at extreme latitudes to experience snow. Continual snow, never melting snow, well that's at the poles, or high altitudes...or, at least, used to be.

But, of course, when we mention snow we're talking about stuff here on Earth. Let's see if scientists can use this forum to explain how the Sun and its energy affect spacecraft in a vacuum. Obviously a vacuum cannot conduct heat, it's a great thought experiment to understand how a star (the Sun) will transmit heat to objects near it.

Anyone care to field this one? Here's my (limited) understanding...heat is infrared, longer waves, literally 'below' red in the EM spectrum. We're taught that light is a photon, or it's a wave, depending on whether it's been observed. (This, the incomprehensible, to me, concept of the Heisenberg Principle). Light, what we call 'visible' light because our eyes are evolved to see it, is only a portion of the huge EM spectrum.

Although we can agree that space between the Sun and Earth is a vacuum, nevertheless heat manages to reach Earth. We have to agree on that, otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing it.

Trying to be logical here...a vessel orbiting the Earth will be in the same vicinity, same distance from, the Sun as, well, the Earth is, within a few thousand KM, which is insignificant in this argument. SO, why, or why not, would this vessel, any vessel you wish to imagine, not be heated in the same way that occurs on the Earth?

My answer, to my own question (and for the benefit of those hardy souls who have stuck it out so far) is reflectivity, or another term...albedo.


(the moderator wanted scholarly...I'm trying)


Alright, I put my neck on the line, so to speak. WAITING for the guillotine to fall (or, axe, if you're a barbarian). ---Humour!! Yeah, I'm not good at writing humour, bujt at least I try.......

casn't edit my typos, sorry...Hah!

reply to post by johnlear


Sorry, Capt Lear,

You started this thread for a reason, and I think I threw it off. Please accept my apology for that.

Will everyone please read the title of this thread, and continue to comment appropriately.

Thank you, and again, sorry for jumping the tracks...

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Capt, not sure where to find the cigars...they're not Cuban, are they?

Freemont and 2nd Street

Originally posted by weedwhacker

You started this thread for a reason, and I think I threw it off. Please accept my apology for that.

A phrase is in the back of my head...

"Practice what you Preach..."

Okay... BACK TO THE SSS

Secret Space Vehicles and Stations could use a little different power source...

We have been talking a lot about Helium 3 production and transportation from the Moon and I said before I had difficulty in tracking it past LEO and where it goes from there...

Now I know about the Levitated Dipole Fusion Confinement work at MIT that uses HE3... but that wasn't enough...

Well we have a little more data on this now...

SOAR: Space Orbiting Advanced Fusion Power Reactor. Final report, October 1986-January 1987

Creator/Author Kulcinski, F.L. ; Santarius, J.F.
Publication Date 1987 Sep 01
OSTI Identifier OSTI ID: 5226365
Report Number(s) AD-A-189234/8/XAB
Resource Type Technical Report
Research Org Wisconsin Univ., Madison (USA)

Subject 220800 -- Nuclear Reactor Technology-- Propulsion Reactors ;700200 -- Fusion Energy-- Fusion Power Plant Technology; SPACE PROPULSION REACTORS-- FEASIBILITY STUDIES;SPACECRAFT POWER SUPPLIES;TMR REACTORS-- SPACECRAFT POWER SUPPLIES; CHARGED PARTICLES;DEUTERIUM;EFFICIENCY;HELIUM;HELIUM 3;LAUNCHING;MAGNETIC MIRRORS;PROGRESS REPORT;PROTONS;RADIOACTIVITY
Related Subject BARYONS;DOCUMENT TYPES;ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT;ELEMENTARY PARTICLES;ELEMENTS;EQUIPMENT;EVEN-ODD NUCLEI;FERMIONS;FLUIDS;GASES;HADRONS;HELIUM ISOTOPES;HYDROGEN ISOTOPES;ISOTOPES;LIGHT NUCLEI;MAGNETIC MIRROR TYPE REACTORS;MOBILE REACTORS;NONMETALS;NUCLEI;NUCLEONS;ODD-ODD NUCLEI;OPEN PLASMA DEVICES;POWER REACTORS;POWER SUPPLIES;PROPULSION REACTORS;RARE GASES;REACTORS;SPACE POWER REACTORS;STABLE ISOTOPES;THERMONUCLEAR DEVICES;THERMONUCLEAR REACTORS

Description/Abstract The preconceptual design of a Space Orbiting Advanced Fusion Power Reactor (SOAR), which delivers up to 1000 MWe for at least 600 s from an orbited mass of about 500 tonnes, was accomplished.^The power is produced by a magnetically confined D-3He plasma.^Approximately 96% of the fusion energy is in charged particles, and a direct converter has been designed which converts much of this energy into electricity at high net efficiency (about 80%).^An advanced shield design allows SOAR to deliver approximately 2 kilowatts of electricity for every kilogram of material orbited.^The shield is designed to absorb all rejected heat during operation, and no active radiator is required.^The SOAR reactor concept is designed to allow rapid startup and shutdown procedures.^The lack of radioactivity on launch and the low radioactive inventory after operation make the SOAR concept attractive from maintenance, safety and environmental perspectives.^The plasma physics approach extrapolates from the present plasma physics and fusion technology knowledge base using concepts which can be tested on existing or near-term devices.^The symbiosis of burst mode requirements, D-3He tandem mirror fusion reactor characteristics, and the space environment leads to a very high performance design concept.
Country of Publication United States
Language English
Format Pages: 57
Availability NTIS, PC A04/MF A01.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 16-11-2007 by zorgon]

reply to post by johnlear


Iv'e offten wondered why they couldn'r sink up better with ISS on launches. what you say would make sence if there were others.

Originally posted by rockets red glare
Iv'e offten wondered why they couldn'r sink up better with ISS on launches.

English please.

@ John Lear

The fact that you've ignored my post that cites expert testimony it quite telling. Clearly basic physics isn't your forte. Do yourself a favor and go check that guy out on BAUT - he knows his shiz.