Discovery Launches at 11:38 EDT. Expects to Reach and Dock With ISS in 44 Hours!

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Laxpla

The Russians and the US, jointly founded the ISS. Wouldnt it raise a red flag, if the United States lauched a shuttle, and wasnt coming to the ISS at a normal scheduled time. The Russians would have some sort or understanding of a SSS, thus making it no secret. What advantage would the USA have with Russia knowing their "hiding" a "secret space station"?

Thanks for the post Laxpla. We have always shared our techonology with the Russians. The Russians were the first to publically photograph the far side of the moon in 1959 and were the first to soft land on the moon in 1966. They were also in lunar orbit to greet Apollo 11.

Numerous Progess rockets meet the Shuttle at the ISS with supplies destined for other platforms which are then delivered during the 55 hours that are allegedly used for potty breaks, naps, turning on the IMU and checking the suit pressurization.

Both the U.S. and Russia share similar goals so it would be to both their advantages to keep the secret.

Thanks for your post and input.

No thank you John Lear for that little history lesson!

Sharing information? as in what John? During the Cold War your "imply" that we share information with the Russians. What you said dosnt even make sense.

Correct me if I'm wrong, you also imply that the Russians know of this SSS that the Americans have? As I say again, possibly what advantages could they get from it?


Also, what faults seem to be in this timeline?

10/23/07 Tue 11:38 AM 00 00 00 STS-120 Launch
10/23/07 Tue 12:15 PM 00 00 37 OMS-2 rocket firing
10/23/07 Tue 12:28 PM 00 00 50 Post insertion timeline begins
10/23/07 Tue 02:08 PM 00 02 30 Laptop computer network setup
10/23/07 Tue 02:08 PM 00 02 30 GIRA installation
10/23/07 Tue 02:08 PM 00 02 30 FRED setup
10/23/07 Tue 02:29 PM 00 02 51 NC1 rendezvous rocket firing
10/23/07 Tue 02:48 PM 00 03 10 Group B computer powerdown
10/23/07 Tue 03:08 PM 00 03 30 Shuttle robot arm (SRMS) powerup
10/23/07 Tue 03:08 PM 00 03 30 WLES setup
10/23/07 Tue 03:23 PM 00 03 45 SRMS checkout
10/23/07 Tue 03:28 PM 00 03 50 ET handheld photography
10/23/07 Tue 03:38 PM 00 04 00 Umbilical well camera downlink
10/23/07 Tue 03:58 PM 00 04 20 ET video downlink
10/23/07 Tue 04:08 PM 00 04 30 RMS powerdown
10/23/07 Tue 05:38 PM 00 06 00 Crew sleep begins
10/24/07 Wed 01:38 AM 00 14 00 Crew wakeup
10/24/07 Wed 04:38 AM 00 17 00 Ergometer setup
10/24/07 Wed 04:53 AM 00 17 15 NC2 rendezvous rocket firing
10/24/07 Wed 04:53 AM 00 17 15 OBSS unberth
10/24/07 Wed 05:53 AM 00 18 15 OBSS starboard wing survey
10/24/07 Wed 07:38 AM 00 20 00 Spacesuit checkout preps
10/24/07 Wed 07:38 AM 00 20 00 SAFER checkout
10/25/07 Thu 01:08 AM 01 13 30 ISS crew wakeup
10/25/07 Thu 01:38 AM 01 14 00 STS crew wakeup
10/25/07 Thu 02:53 AM 01 15 15 Group B computer powerup
10/25/07 Thu 03:08 AM 01 15 30 Begin rendezvous timeline
10/25/07 Thu 04:23 AM 01 16 45 NC4 rendezvous rocket firing
10/25/07 Thu 05:53 AM 01 18 15 TI burn
10/25/07 Thu 06:03 AM 01 18 25 Spacesuit removal
10/25/07 Thu 07:23 AM 01 19 45 Rendezvous pitch maneuver starts
10/25/07 Thu 07:23 AM 01 19 45 Approach timeline begins
10/25/07 Thu 08:33 AM 01 20 55 Docking



I would love to have you accuratly look over this site, it has lots of information, something that this thread lacks.

spaceflightnow.com...

[edit on 14-11-2007 by Laxpla]

Spaceflightnow is a great website. Lots of information there. Unfortunately, you can use it to bolster whatever side you want....if you ignore common sense, reason and logic that is.

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So Laxpla, What proof do you have that would make us believe with out a shadow of a doubt that the list that you posted is exactly what they did. I am waiting anxiously.

Originally posted by Laxpla

Also, what faults seem to be in this timeline?

Well for one thing its missing about a page of time and tasks.

Let me get the real one.

I would love to have you accuratly look over this site, it has lots of information, something that this thread lacks.

Yes, not to mention your post.

Thanks.

Spaceflightnow is a great website. Lots of information there. Unfortunately, you can use it to bolster whatever side you want....if you ignore common sense, reason and logic that is.

Ignoring common sense, reason and logic. Its common sense, that the space shuttle docks with a SSS? With reason and logic unknown? How am I ignoring these "critical" aspects? Give me a example?

So Laxpla, What proof do you have that would make us believe with out a shadow of a doubt that the list that you posted is exactly what they did. I am waiting anxiously.

Well, heres a short list of why these claims are close to correct then some undefined theory about the STS-120 docking with a SSS.

Anxiousaly waiting for what, my response? The site I offered you is a third party source offering news, not a NASA affiliate. I know in your terms of thinking, your in denial of the government doing something honest, so let me elaborate more. Sure, NASA could have posted a "fake" timeline, but heres some reasons to make it impossible for them to do it.

Sure, I guess that you cant take anything for 100%, but this site is sure as heck arbitrary comes close to it. I mean thinking ultra conservative in a conspiracy tense will lend you the doubt thats notings real. Hiding such a thing, would be EXTREMELY close to impossible, the press in the control room would catch on to something if the Shuttle makes a pit stop at this other space station. Not to mention the astronomers following closely the whole thing.

Other space agencies, espically the European nation and Russia are closly tracking the shuttle, why? Because its the European module going on the ISS, wouldnt it raise suspicion if the Shuttle docks with another station? I dont want to think what the Russians would think if its a US military SS, the only advatage of a SSS that I can think of is military. The Russians fliped out after the US proposed to put a BMD in Poland, non the less a SSS with military advantages? The advantages of having a US SSS thats known by top leaders of other countries?

Well for one thing its missing about a page of time and tasks.

Let me get the real one.

Yes, not to mention your post.

Thanks.

John Lear, why do you avoid all the other information that I posted earlier in the topic? Cant think of a rebuttle at this time, or cat got your toung?

Anyways,

John I have been asking this question all along, you think this is a Secret Soul Catching Space Station, SSCSS, which sends the souls to that soul catching moon base? Or is a communications link between Earth and the 6 million people underground in Mars.

John Lear, again, you fail to make sense.

Your claim has no proof, nothing close to it. I mean all of your claims are exactly like that, the only thing as you call "proof" is your way of thinking, which has tons of holes in it.

Give me some examples, time intervals in which you think it could have docked using this given one. Of course, to you its not real just like most theories of yours.

Originally posted by housegroove23
reply to post by Laxpla

 

So Laxpla, What proof do you have that would make us believe with out a shadow of a doubt that the list that you posted is exactly what they did. I am waiting anxiously.

The list may be completely bogus but if we assume that, we might as well say the crew stayed on the ground and an unmanned decoy was flown instead, or it was a hologram, or a mental image projected by a giant squid residing in the center of Earth. There is no limit to what can be invented, as JL so richly demostrates. Soul catcher, anyone?

JL used the schedule as a basis for his CT about shuttle docking with the SSSS.
Which, again, is proven wrong by observations from Earth.

Originally posted by Laxpla

Spaceflightnow is a great website. Lots of information there. Unfortunately, you can use it to bolster whatever side you want....if you ignore common sense, reason and logic that is.

Ignoring common sense, reason and logic. Its common sense, that the space shuttle docks with a SSS? With reason and logic unknown? How am I ignoring these "critical" aspects? Give me a example?

In your fervor to nail JL you must have missed my intentions, lol. When I mean ignoring common sense, reason and logic I am saying that ignoring such things, in the face of overwhelming data, is what convinces the ignorant of outlandish conspiracy theories such as a secret space station.

Take a look at my profile and click on "posts". You'll find out real quick which camp I'm in.

Thank You for your response Laxpla & buddhasystem, its nice to hear what you guys think for a change.

You see, you guys are so busy attacking and ridiculing John Lear and Zorgon that we don't get to a chance to hear what you guys really think. Now both of you made some good points but I would not consider them the best arguments.

Would it be possible if you guys could stick to this kind of communication for now on, it would make for a much better discussion.

Originally posted by johnlear
It is my opinion that the technology base available to the NAZA/DoD/Military Industrial Complex is at least 50 years ahead of any publically released technology.

So our capabilities are probably beyond imagination.

I wonder how many know the ISS has electromagnetic shielding? Something to do with all that plasma energy it 'collects' while zipping through the ionosphere..

Seems they were having troubles with shuttle docking when the potential was different between the two...

Talk about ZZZAAPPPP

Yeah yeah I know Prove it! I will dig out that PDF later... got a couple here somewhere... one that talks about the shielding we had in 1965 to keep that darn radiation from pestering the Astronauts..

I just can't figure out why they wouldn't tell us about that? I see no advantage to hiding that

HEY!!!

I don't suppose you skeptics out there would want to sign up to help ATS sort the millions of pages of FOIA reports they just got? We could really use the help to see what's in there...

Maybe a secret space station or a moon base or two?

I see ArMaP stepped up to the plate! Jolly good show! You could put all that typing to use... maybe those documents will prove us wrong... think of the opportunity here....

We need member volunteers to review FOIA documents

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Laxpla

Also, what faults seem to be in this timeline?

10/24/07 Wed 07:38 AM 00 20 00 Spacesuit checkout preps
10/24/07 Wed 07:38 AM 00 20 00 SAFER checkout
10/25/07 Thu 01:08 AM 01 13 30 ISS crew wakeup
10/25/07 Thu 01:38 AM 01 14 00 STS crew wakeup

10/24/07 Wed 07:38 AM 00 20 00 SAFER checkout

Missing a few hours

10/25/07 Thu 01:08 AM 01 13 30 ISS crew wakeup

As John pointed out... seems your missing some data. or trying to trick some people Bad Form

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Hello, I'm kinda curious about the things Laxpla points out. I mean, I don't know a heck of a lot about orbital mechanics (and I don't mean guys in greasy coveralls fixing spaceships...). I do know something about flight plans, mission plans, checklists and such. I also don't think the Shuttle Discovery can behave like a Star Trek shuttlecraft. SO, it seems plausible, to me, that Discovery would LTO, then take a while to 'catch-up' with ISS. I mean, in order to reach ISS, their relative velocities in orbit would have to very similar, lest Shuttle overshoots, or undershoots.

This is difficult to put into words. Launch from Canaveral timed to place Discovery in proper orbit height, but not to hit the ISS and cause an accident. Guessing that Discovery crew had a checklist, a post-launch or achieve-orbit or some such named checklist after a safe launch and orbital insertion. Maybe some rest, OK, I know I'd like to rest now...

Then, the delicate task of catching up with a moving target, i.e., the ISS. How? That takes us back to my first question about orbital mechanics. NO Star Trek technology, just good old fashioned Newton math. I can't do calculus, but I know Newton invented it. And he is yet to be proven wrong...

Respect

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My aplogies, I missed

10/24/07 Wed 07:48 AM 00 20 10 OBSS nose cap survey
10/24/07 Wed 08:08 AM 00 20 30 Crew meals begin
10/24/07 Wed 09:08 AM 00 21 30 Spacesuit checkout
10/24/07 Wed 09:48 AM 00 22 10 OBSS port wing survey
10/24/07 Wed 10:23 AM 00 22 45 Spacesuit transfer preps
10/24/07 Wed 11:48 AM 01 00 10 OBSS berthing
10/24/07 Wed 11:58 AM 01 00 20 LDRI downlink
10/24/07 Wed 12:23 PM 01 00 45 Centerline camera installation
10/24/07 Wed 12:53 PM 01 01 15 Orbiter docking system ring extension
10/24/07 Wed 01:23 PM 01 01 45 OMS pod survey
10/24/07 Wed 01:58 PM 01 02 20 Rendezvous tools checkout
10/24/07 Wed 03:29 PM 01 03 51 NC3 rendezvous rocket firing
10/24/07 Wed 05:38 PM 01 06 00 Crew sleep begins

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Hello,

Not a dispute, just a request for clarification. There IS a large gap in the timeline between 24 Oct @Mission Time 0:20:00 and 25 Oct @Mission Time 1:13:30.

According to my math it's about 17 and one half hours. Sleep and exercise time? Other non-public Mission related duties? Or did I do the math wrong?

Respect

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Sorry Laxpla, while you were writing I was writing...funny how great minds think alike!

Cheers!

Just a novice question, I was wondering what time zone are they adhering to. There is no time zone in space, so I am assuming that the time is kept by where they are launching on earth or by mission control?

Also does the fact that the earth is spinning much faster beneath them while in orbit affect their time at all? Would this not give them more time technically?

[edit on 11/14/07 by housegroove23]

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Hello, housegroove. The 'time' hacks referenced are Mission Time, as in, time from launch. Yes, the date shows month and day, that would be UTC, I think. (If I'm wrong about that, someone please correct me).


Thanks

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Housegroove, follow-up.

Sometimes time will be CST, since Mission Control is in Houston. I think that was more in the 60's than now, though. Obviously, we have Standard and Daylight time, though it varies around the World, even in the USA...

Best to stick to UTC, just to keep it simple. (Did I say 'simple'? Knowing UTC helps, doesn't mean it stays simple...)

Cheers

Originally posted by housegroove23
Also does the fact that the earth is spinning much faster beneath them while in orbit affect their time at all? Would this not give them more time technically?

Don't think so but it must make them whoosy... either that or all those checks are really tiring I mean after only 5 1/2 hours into space and they need to take a 7 hour nap? Man if I did that I would lose my job

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by housegroove23
Also does the fact that the earth is spinning much faster beneath them while in orbit affect their time at all? Would this not give them more time technically?

Don't think so but it must make them whoosy... either that or all those checks are really tiring I mean after only 5 1/2 hours into space and they need to take a 7 hour nap? Man if I did that I would lose my job

Um...Zorgon...may I interrupt here and answer grooves' question?

groove, the Earth is not spinning faster beneath them. They are orbiting around the Earth. At 200 or so miles up, the orbital period is about 90 minutes (someone correct me, I'm just estimating).

For Zorgon...you're asking us if 5:30 into the flight they are tired? Do you think they woke up at Canaveral, climbed aboard, and launched in a few minutes? !?!?

Zorgon, have you never watched a launch? Do you know what they go through before even getting to walk and 'wave' at the press as they board the bus to the Pad, then ride up the gantry elevator, then go thru all of the checklists while they lay on their backs during the countdown??

Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say here?

OK...calming down...peace all.