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Originally posted by WeAreOne
reply to post by Blaine91555
Hi,
Well done Blaine91555 for catching that second guy in the vid with the gun,
Originally posted by six
reply to post by eyewitness86
"First I dont like the way you throw "pigs" out there. "
Too bad..cops who violate rights deserve a perjorative nomenclature.
" They do have a system for bad cops. It is called the judicial system . Last I read this cop was not prosecuted by the judicial system, so just how did the judicial system let you down? "
Umm, if the murdering cop was not dealt with by the ' judicial system ' then you have proved the point: The system CANNOT be trusted to protect us, as they side with the cops all the time. Cops are investigated by the OTHER COPS and as usual they find no problem with cop's killing us without cause. They stick up for each other even if they are wrong. So if the police dept. does not do anything, and the system does not do anything, what is left? What I propose.
" Cops DO know that if they kill someone that there are consequences. There are VERY SERIOUS people who DO look into such matters. Speaking without knowledge of a subject you are guilty of."
Sure there are consequences: they have to write a report. The VERY SERIOUS people you mention are WHOM? The other cops doing the investigation!! His pals and buddies. And what is the likley outcome? The cops gets off!! The people who are very serious are serious ONLY about covering the cop's ass, the dept.'s ass, and their own, thats all. Justice means nothing when it comes to protecting one of their own. So much for consequences.
" Have you ever been on a ride along? Do you actually KNOW what they go through every day they work? "
I was raised in a cop family, have ridden along MANY times and was in the secirity business for many years in a major city. I have seen it all firsthand. My Dad was a cop for 35 years, uncle the Chief, cousin the FBI, etc. I have seen the good cops and the bad ones..and almost ALL cops will lie and perjure themselves to make a case, and they will protect each other from ' civilians'. So yeah, I know what I am talking about pal.
" So basically you are advocating anarchy. That all cops are bad, and just capping a few will scare the minutest minority of all cops into submission. Some America you want."
Originally posted by twitchy
Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer
Try reading what I wrote, and not what you want to see.
Nowhere in my post did I indicate that I considered the shooting 'justifiable'. I'm simply pointing out that while it isn't justifiable, it's also not murder (which would have required intent) nor is it an 'abuse of power'
Intent? Maybe he accidentally shot the guy in the head. Happens all the time unintentionally I'm sure.
Abuse of power? Maybe cops all have the right to shoot people in the head for what looks like nothing more than a simple assault, but, come on, he obviously intended to shoot the guy, and that's second degree murder where I'm from. How is that not an abuse of power? He was a cop, he shot an unarmed man in the head and killed him. It's not ok.
Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer
What we have here isn't murder, folks, and it's not, despite what you might think, "an abuse of power". What we have here is a cop who, to coin a phrase, screwed up by the numbers.
He went into a tactical situation without any of the basics. He dropped the bag with his kit in it (in itself, an understandable event), which left him out of uniform and without a badge (thus removing his authority), and without his pepper spray (a non-lethal way to break up a fight, despite what your sinus cavities will tell you).
He was outnumbered at short range. Either one of those is bad, the combination of the two is enough to make Harry Callahan sweat. Once he put himself in that tactical position, it's fairly easy to see (at least from his point of view) how things went from Very Bad to Catastrophically Worse. While we, sitting calmly at our computer monitors, can see that there isn't a real threat, he sees two men who obviously know each other, and appear to be acting in concert. One of the men has a jacket held in such a way as to hide his hands. Jacket-holder starts to move, and nervous cop in bad situation jumps to the (not always unfounded) conclusion that there's a gun under there, and acts accordingly.
What he did was wrong on a variety of levels, but it wasn't abuse of power, nor was it murder. It was massive mis-handling of a tactical situation combined with a panic response. I'm not excusing him....far from it...but this wasn't a cold-blooded, random execution. It was an A-Z cluster(bleep) of cosmic proportions. Nothing more, nothing less.