Rethink on human hybrid experiments

Here is the latest cross breed chimera propaganda put out on the wire.
Chimera
OK let's create monsters that will serve humans better. I say stop this disrespect to the Earth natural design! Am I just standing in the way of progress? Am I just out dated like the 8 track tape deck? Or does the Earth have any say in our affairs? Or is this natural evolution of species in the Universe?
DWT

Brietbart link

A radical Government re-think on the law governing hybrid embryos will allow scientists to carry out virtually any work they like - if it is approved by regulators.

The move opens the door to experiments involving every known kind of human-animal hybrid. These could include both "cytoplasmic" embryos, which are 99.9% human, and "true hybrids" carrying both human and animal genes.

In addition "chimeras" made of a mosaic-like mix of cells from different species, and "human transgenic embryos" - human embryos modified with animal DNA - will also be allowed under licence.

Provision has also been made for the regulation of hybrid embryo research to incorporate any unforeseen developments that might arise in the future.

DWT

[edit on 8-10-2007 by dntwastetime]

Why not? There is no mother earth to offend. These advances will allow us to cure lots of diseases, disorders, lost limbs, organ transplants etc.

Darkside,
so, they are human hybrids, but, you don't think they deserve human rights?

I don't care if it is 99.9% or 50% ... you are talking about humans ... I don't even approve of non-human-animal testing.

There needs to be some line of ethics drawn. We are not meant to be eternal. Live your life and don't be afraid to die.

My family members who died, refused current treatments at their time of death. They felt they lived their lives and accepted it ... instead of collecting large bills and not being able to live how they enjoyed their lives ... but they lived up until the end how they chose to ... not relegated to a wheel chair, weakened, or bed-ridden.

I know, you say, this will prevent that ... well, let me die instead of sacrificing a life for mine.

Do you think they should verify intelligence first? or are you saying it never develops to that point? So ... then, do you think that women who would have an abortion should just have the fetus cut out and the experiments done on it ... it wasn't fully developed yet, right?

Let me say this, I don't argue with a woman who has been raped and wants an abortion ... so, don't misinterpret my intentions.

I just want to know where you draw the line. Where is your limit?

Are you willing to clone yourself, kill the brain, so yours can be transplanted into the host body? If not, why is that wrong vs. breeding chimeras to do testing and experiments?


To me, it is a lame excuse to say, we abuse animals for medical research ... it is for the good of humanity that we commit atrocities.

I guess it is better to ignore it, and keep your hands clean. The less you pay attention, the less it bothers you. That is the easy way. Ask people that own rats as pets what they think about lab rat experiments, and the personality they see in their pets. Well, chimeras will be up to 99.9% human ... imagine your child's dna mixed with 0.1% of your family pet's dna ... then permit whatever they wish to do ... for medical research and advancement. You may feel different if it involves things you love. So your daughter donated eggs, that chimera is technically your dna as well, your grandchild. But hey, if it can make the neighbor's johnson bigger, cool.




Sometimes to argue, I like to take things to the far extreme ... but, that is because I enjoy debate and sparking people's passions. I like to make people think about it deeper and more personal. I have no idea what kind of experiments or how far they will take it, but that article said that if this passes, it will give them more leniency than they asked for ... now, to me, that is a scary thought.

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
so, they are human hybrids, but, you don't think they deserve human rights?

I don't care if it is 99.9% or 50% ... you are talking about humans ... I don't even approve of non-human-animal testing.

They aren't hybrids as such. They take say a cow's ovum, and replace the original nucleus by a human one. The DNA is 100% human so there is no hybridization involved other than the rest of the cell which is from a cow. But it will still develop into a human if you let it. They don't let this happen as they it to grow stem cells, which can then be used to cure many illnesses and disorders (as stem cells can become any kind of cell, neurone, muscle, skin whatever).

My family members who died, refused current treatments at their time of death. They felt they lived their lives and accepted it ... instead of collecting large bills and not being able to live how they enjoyed their lives ... but they lived up until the end how they chose to ... not relegated to a wheel chair, weakened, or bed-ridden.

My grandparents refused them too, but the newer generations are different, they want to live as long as possible.

Do you think they should verify intelligence first? or are you saying it never develops to that point? So ... then, do you think that women who would have an abortion should just have the fetus cut out and the experiments done on it ... it wasn't fully developed yet, right?

They don't develop to the point where you can think of intelligence, a bunch of a few hundred or a few thousand cells doesn't think, isn't aware, cannot feel, etc.

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
Ask people that own rats as pets what they think about lab rat experiments, and the personality they see in their pets.

Sorry for OT, but:

I love my fuzzbutts. They're very smart, and yes, they all have different personalities like people :O

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
I don't care if it is 99.9% or 50% ... you are talking about humans

They are not human. Learn a little about genetics. How much of our DNA is shared with chimps? Chimps are not humans. Nuff said.

I am against pointless testing, repeat trials and such, when it comes to life. However, people need to realize that without testing, even testing that seems cruel, we would not be as far along as we are in science. Everything needs to be experimented once with genetics so that we know what each gene does in each species. GM plants and animals may be the only way to save life on Earth if humans screw things up too much.

Mummy, I want a chimera for Christmas!

- No darling, you remember what you did with the last one we bought you. We had to put it down after you lopped off its nose and gouged its eyes out. And then those awful PETAHC people turned up and started harrassing us about animal-human chimeric rights, saying we were no better than murderers.

- But I WANT!

- Well, you can't have. Go and play with your stem cell biochemistry set instead.

Reply to OP: Some good questions in your post. The answer to all of them is 'yes'.

Astynax ,I knew I was outdated, maybe there is a factory recall on me.Ill call service department maybe they can fix me up. Great input people, thank you.
DWT

[edit on 12-10-2007 by dntwastetime]

reply to post by dntwastetime
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