Phonecalls and texts to be logged

Phonecalls and texts to be logged

news.bbc.co.uk

Information about all landline and mobile phone calls made in the UK must be logged and stored for a year under new laws.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Yet, another example of Britain's "surveillance society".
Phone calls logged, text kept, internet usage recorded, CCTV everywhere, even Tesco know what you eat with ther store card.

What will be next.....?

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

Man, imagine the whole world filled with these things.

What will be next.....?

Newly updated cameras with built-in lasers, everywhere in streets!

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people start moving out of U/K.

[edit on 3-10-2007 by TheoOne]

Just another brick in the prison wall. All this technology is put in place now when people can still express their opinion, but it will still be there after 10 years when the government decides its not OK to criticize the country.

Its a gradual process. 10 years ago we would have laughed at some of the stuff that is being used to control us today. Today we laugh at the thought of the government wanting to suppress free speech.

Just wait. We're getting there. Probably after a new false flag attack. It will be argued that criticizing the country helps the terrorists. Are you with the country or the terrorists?


[edit on 3-10-2007 by Copernicus]

Copernicus,

This once proud Great British person was with the Country; sadly this is being eroded just like our Greatness. Many of our fellow country men seem to be walking around like Zombies; ignorant to what’s happening around them.

Me, I see lots and notice many things, which never seem to get in the papers or in the local or national news - just news about Britney and other celbs etc.

But a terrorist I am certainly NOT!

Eyeball.

reply to post by eyeball


You are what the government say you are in the future.

Thinking anyone should be allowed to speak = dividing the people, helping the terrorists.
Disturbing the peace = helping the terrorists spread fear.

See what I mean?


[edit on 3-10-2007 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by Copernicus
reply to post by eyeball

 

You are what the government say you are in the future.

Thinking anyone should be allowed to speak = dividing the people, helping the terrorists.
Disturbing the peace = helping the terrorists spread fear.

See what I mean?


[edit on 3-10-2007 by Copernicus]

Copernicus,

I do understand your logic, but who dictates this to the Government. Is the Government just a bunch of puppets that are being operated by some higher power?

If Derren Brown can make his ordinance think and behave how his wishes, could there be a whole secret department etc with teams of these people manipulating the pubic? Why are only a few people concerned about or civil liberties? You and I included.



Sorry - I know I have gone off track....

Originally posted by eyeball
Copernicus,

I do understand your logic, but who dictates this to the Government. Is the Government just a bunch of puppets that are being operated by some higher power?

If Derren Brown can make his ordinance think and behave how his wishes, could there be a whole secret department etc with teams of these people manipulating the pubic? Why are only a few people concerned about or civil liberties? You and I included.

Yes, they are puppets. The president of the United States is also a puppy. Did you know that not a single president after Eisenhower has gotten access to the UFO files? There are entire layers of government above the public one. If you check out the Disclosure Project, you have hundreds of government witnesses saying the same thing. Everybody knows that if they challenge this authority, their family get threatened, or they end up as suicides or accidents.

Yes, this sounds paranoid if this is the first you have heard of it, but there is an enormous amount of information about this.

You dont honestly think the presidents run the world alone do you? They have advisors, which in turn also have advisors. Guess what information they present to the president? The one fitting their agenda of course.

This is a game of controlling people, if possible without them realizing they are being controlled. I have no doubt that Bush believes he is fighting a war on terrorism, just like many other people believe they are. In reality, its a puppet show.

There are tons of videos and documents about this, but just to pick one, you can view the one Im watching right now. Its called "The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis". You can search for it on video.google.com. And that one if from 1987.... they are still in place, and stronger than ever.


[edit on 3-10-2007 by Copernicus]

Information on Phone calls and texts is kept anyway. Has been for years.

How do you think they bill you? Duh....

Originally posted by stumason
Information on Phone calls and texts is kept anyway. Has been for years.

How do you think they bill you? Duh....

stumason,

Ok yes maybe they keep a record to bill you, but I’m sure once the bill is paid this is rolled up into a summary amount.

The main difference now is that this is required by law and this data can be shared with 652 public bodies, including the police and councils. Before it was the telecoms company data which would not have been shared with these 652 public bodies. Duh....

Are you not bothered then, maybe you have been brain washed into being one of those "I have nothing to hide so I am not concerned" people.

Originally posted by eyeball
stumason,

Ok yes maybe they keep a record to bill you, but I’m sure once the bill is paid this is rolled up into a summary amount.

No, it isn't. I work for a large telco in an engineering capacity and I can tell you that I can dredge up any amount of information on any call you have made in the past couple of years.

Originally posted by eyeball
The main difference now is that this is required by law and this data can be shared with 652 public bodies, including the police and councils. Before it was the telecoms company data which would not have been shared with these 652 public bodies. Duh....

Any agency requiring information, such as the Police for example, could get that information anyway. The new law just makes the process easier.

Originally posted by eyeball
Are you not bothered then, maybe you have been brain washed into being one of those "I have nothing to hide so I am not concerned" people.

Nope, no brainwashing here. I just know that this information has been readily available for years already and it doesn't concern me one bit.

More information = more power. The government will soon have everyone's nut's in a vice. Step out of line and it's OUCH!!!!!!!!

I dont know how anyone cannot be concerned by this, especially when this information will be available to 642 public bodies. Making all this information available to third parties will only result in increased fraud and corruption. Not to mention an increase in those god damn annoying phone calls from companies trying to sell you something.

The most disturbing thing of all is that there was no debate about this in the house of commons. Also starting from next year it sounds as though they will also start policing the internet and logging all your e-mails. Soon you wont be able to take a dump without New Labour wanting to know about it. They'll probably tax you on how much waste you produce.

Councils would only be able to use the powers to "prevent and detect crime - not for the collection of taxes", the spokesman added.

You have to be completely gullible and naive to believe that statement. These are the same authorities that installed spy chips in your wheely bins without even telling anyone. Their aim to measure how much rubbish you dispose of so that they can tax you even more.

If you haven't worked it out by now. New Labour are nothing more than a bunch of thieving, greedy, self serving parasites and control freaks.

[edit on 4-10-2007 by kindred]

Dont they keep text messages for something like 7 years anyway?

Are they keeping voice data now too? That must be some upgrade to their networks for the capacit, I am glad I bought those shares in diffrent hard disk builders!

The UK has pretty strong data protection laws, so I am pretty certain there can be no misuse without conseqence.

You can request a copy of all the information a company holds on you under the same Data Protection Act, I wonder how many cd's a years worth of telephone calls is

Our US cousins have a very similar setup I think, I am not sure about all their safe harbour stuff though.

I blame Enron, Sarbanes Oxley and the Companies Act myself.

Just wait till they announce that they are recoding all internet traffic as well, there is nothing left then! I forget how much that is, a few exobytes a month at the moment? Maybe Canrivore type stuff already exists? Maybe ATS should move on to a darknet

Haha, I just saw that wheelie bin thing, I am just gunna burn my rubbish
(nice move for the environment) or put it in your bin, lock up your daughters (and your rubbish bin) I have a feeling this wonderful plan of theirs wont work out!

[edit on 4/10/07 by DeepCoverUK]

let me clarify and state CATEGORICALLY that voice and text data itself is not saved or recorded. It is just the usual time, date, number dialled etc.

There is no capability on the networks to record the actual content on such a scale. For a voice call to be actually tapped and recorded, you need a court order and even then, wire taps are not admissiable as evidence in Court at the moment.

UK 2017: under surveillance - A must read.

www.sundayherald.com...

UK 2017: under surveillance:
IT is a chilling, dystopian account of what Britain will look like 10 years from now: a world in which Fortress Britain uses fleets of tiny spy-planes to watch its citizens, of Minority Report-style pre-emptive justice, of an underclass trapped in sink-estate ghettos under constant state surveillance, of worker drones forced to take on the lifestyle and values of the mega-corporation they work for, and of the super-rich hiding out in gated communities constantly monitored by cameras and private security guards.

What can you say about the future in the UK, other than it looks bleak. What have New Labour done to our once great nation. I hate to say it, but I bet it will be even worse than this. Nothing will be voluntary like it is in the article. Everything will be mandatory instead, especially if New Labour get their way. Just like the ID card scheme and the national ID database which comes into effect in 2008.