Demolition truck next to wtc,Disprove No-Planes Theory also!

For pitys sake stop the deusion

planes hit the towers - it happenend get over it

all this just plays into AlQs cant you see it ?

the more you vilify and procratinate the more Bin Laden laughs

ok so ill get canned for this post

but i will have my say - the more america denys the more he sits in that cave and calls you stupid - yes stupid

There is a world outside your borders - and yes most of you dont even know it exists - but its there and sometimes it kicks you

I would have hoped after 9/11 the insular opinion I witnesed in 88 and i know from the historical record existed in 1918 might have been dispelled - but no you revert to the ostraches you are.

The result is clear you got HIT we in the UK dealt with it - your government deals with it and you scream NWO

well when you cant play your music or watch your MTV - dont come crying to Europe

ooops i forgot you did last time

ooops i forgot you did last time

Originally posted by Silk
but i will have my say - the more america denys the more he sits in that cave and calls you stupid - yes stupid

Who is denying anything? Just trying to find the truth about what happened that day.

Planes may have hit the towers but untill we have the facts, evidence and official reports we do not know what planes hit or what happened when the planes hit.

I mean come on, its been 6 years and NIST still cannot tell us what caused building 7 to callopse.

6 years and no FBI and NTSB crime scene reports.

6 years and no actual videos or photos of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Silk
but i will have my say - the more america denys the more he sits in that cave and calls you stupid - yes stupid

6 years and no FBI and NTSB crime scene reports.

6 years and no actual videos or photos of flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

your right that is kind of obscene. The government gets away with anything and we let them...

Originally posted by zakd619

your right that is kind of obscene. The government gets away with anything and we let them...

Oh and don't forget,

6 years and NIST still cannot tell us why building 7 collapsed.




[edit on 7-10-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Stop the video at 4:26 and zoom in between the buildings and if you look before that you'll see this object appear from no where at 4:26 and doesn't look like an airplane, take a look and let us know what you think.

Originally posted by weirdthingshappening
Stop the video at 4:26 and zoom in between the buildings and if you look before that you'll see this object appear from no where at 4:26 and doesn't look like an airplane, take a look and let us know what you think.

You can see it as just a dot at 4:25 right after he says "there goes another guy" and starts to pan up the building.

you also catch a little of it at 4:34

[edit on 7-10-2007 by ULTIMA1]

I still can not believe that people are questioning the eye witnesses. I personally know of 6 people that were there when the second plane hit. If I know six people don't you think that their were thousands if not tens of thousands watching from the streets below, and hundreds of different angles. Not one of the people I know say it was a missle etc, but that they saw a plane impact the building. This hologram theory is crap, has been from the beginning, and all the sheeple following John Lear and his neverending imagination lead me to believe that yes you can fool some of the people all of the time. Not in one thread have I ever seen John Lear and his "better than Steven King imagination" back up a single theory, and furthermore, he only comes up and "confirms" these theories after someone else with a tin foil hat dreams them up. Whenever I see a post from him I am always reminded of the move "Miracle on 34th Street" where the little girl says "He's just a nice old man with a beard". Prominent name or not, he's nothing more than a nice old man who plays on a computer and who needs the attentions of others so he plays into theories that are nothing short of B Movie screenplays.

Originally posted by cw034
I still can not believe that people are questioning the eye witnesses. I personally know of 6 people that were there when the second plane hit. If I know six people don't you think that their were thousands if not tens of thousands watching from the streets below, and hundreds of different angles.

So where is the debris now? Where are the reports from the FBI and NTSB that state that it was 767s and that it was the flights that were supposed to have hit the buildings?

Show me any official report of what planes hit the buildings.

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Show me something that says something else officially hit the buildings?? Can you respond to post with something other than the same question over and over??

Show ME an official repost saying it was a hologram, a missle, the wicked witch of the west? Show me something saying people were brainwashed, some ex news reporter who claims to have been involved in a "coverup", an individual who took a photo of a "missle" hitting the building....you can't, becaues it didn't happen like that. Thousands of pieces of news footage, cell phone images, amateur video images, professional video images, audio images, radar images, and you are still insisting that it was some super FX dreamt up in the mind of some individual who didn't take his prescribed medication for the day???

You want facts...then show me facts stating that it was a hologram, missle, non commercial airliner? I bet you that you can't!!!!

reply to post by CB_Brooklyn


These planes glided into the buildings with engines off. They could've flied high
into the air, turned off the engines and did a near vertical nose dive, pulling up at the right time to a near horizontal flight into the building

reply to post by cw034


The only things that hit the WTC were military planes. Possibly 737. The holes in the buildings were bigger than 757 holes.

The things that brought the buildings down were carefully planted explosives.

NO HOLOGRAMS USED!!!

The only video that was tampered with is the news ones. Same with the pictures.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So where is the debris now? Where are the reports from the FBI and NTSB that state that it was 767s and that it was the flights that were supposed to have hit the buildings?

Show me any official report of what planes hit the buildings.

We have never seen the full reports on the JFK assassination, so by your logic it never happend right?

You've done more than most by requesting info from the gov and private sources and I applaud you for that, but why request information when you refuse the relevence of the facts that we do have?

THOUSANDS SAW PLANES!!!!!!

If they didn't, there would be thousands of denials on you tube. And thats a fact.

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
You've done more than most by requesting info from the gov and private sources and I applaud you for that, but why request information when you refuse the relevence of the facts that we do have?

THOUSANDS SAW PLANES!!!!!!

If they didn't, there would be thousands of denials on you tube. And thats a fact.

What facts? We do not even have a tenth of the facts and evidence we should have. Please show me the facts and evidence you have and what research you have done. Show me any FBI and NTSB reports you have.

Maybe thousends saw planes but like those witnesses at the Pentagon they could not agree on what they saw and some even admitted they did not know what hit the Pentagon they were told later it was a 757.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
You've done more than most by requesting info from the gov and private sources and I applaud you for that, but why request information when you refuse the relevence of the facts that we do have?

THOUSANDS SAW PLANES!!!!!!

If they didn't, there would be thousands of denials on you tube. And thats a fact.

What facts? We do not even have a tenth of the facts and evidence we should have. Please show me the facts and evidence you have and what research you have done. Show me any FBI and NTSB reports you have.

Maybe thousends saw planes but like those witnesses at the Pentagon they could not agree on what they saw and some even admitted they did not know what hit the Pentagon they were told later it was a 757.

Where is your evidence that it wasn't planes??? I've asked for this from you on several times now, and you completely ignore my posts. You claim to be getting all of these "documents" yet any info you come back with is info that has been written and rewritten thousans of times all over the web. THOUSANDS saw planes, WHERE IS YOUR INFORMATION disproving they were planes???

I CHALLENGE YOU AGAIN......Show me one piece of official documentation showing that it was not a commercial airliner that hit the trade towers????

Originally posted by cw034
Where is your evidence that it wasn't planes??? I've asked for this from you on several times now, and you completely ignore my posts. You claim to be getting all of these "documents" yet any info you come back with is info that has been written and rewritten thousans of times all over the web. THOUSANDS saw planes, WHERE IS YOUR INFORMATION disproving they were planes???

Maybe you should read my post. I never said it was not planes. I just want to know where the evidence and reports are we should have to tell us what really happened. It may have been planes that hit the towers but without the official reports will do not know what happened that day.

Where is your actual evidence of what happened to the towers, building 7, Pentagon, and flight 93?

Its nice that you believe what you see on Tv but i like to have actual facts and evidence.

[edit on 9-10-2007 by ULTIMA1]

I started a thread about this video yesterday, but then posted and seen that it was already done in this thread here. So I added a bunch to it and retitled it:
Who wants to see No Plane's / etc moved to the Skunk Works forum?
Not many seen it because it was promptly moved to Board Business & Questions.

Here is part of my analysis:

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
In the first video of interest the cameraman was on W. Broadway, which was right in line with where the the plane debris was ejected from the opposite side of WTC2. At around time 7:00 the impact occurs. You can hear pandemonium and loud noises as if large things are crashing down around him. Then, as he turns back, you can see plane debris that had apparently landed and killed a pedestrian.
911blogger.com...


www.lib.utexas.edu...
As we've all been covering inother recent threads, other large bits of plane debris were found including a 'still smoking' engine that landed on a street corner not too far from our above cameraman.


While I haven't done an advanced analysis on the raw source video presented above, it does seem to debunk the "MIB Flashy Thing" Theory for how they placed the plane debris on the streets, once and for all.

Did anybody get screenshots of the debris? I wish I could with the current PC I'm stuck using.


I noticed the No Planers complaining about the aircraft noise not being loud enough. That's nothing more than a Straw Man leaning Red Herring tactic. It was the opposite side of the building.

[edit on 9-10-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

BTW the NO PLANE theory is solidly *DEBUNKED* here---

www.questionsquestions.net...

But the NO plane theorists keep attempting to fuel this with absurd 'refutations' and things that go against reason and logic.

Isn't interesting to note that most of the "NO PLANE" theorists are former Gov people? As in Morgan Reynolds, David Shayler etc.

Think on that one.

No, not David Shayler?! I was getting to like that guy. I even liked the way he explained the Loose Change arguments in his full length BBC film, probably better than any of the others.

I meant to add in a paragraph in that "Disinfo Playbook" that expolained how you get in mouthpiece "insiders" early to gain recognition and trust within the movement, and then gradually have them incrementally indoctrinate their way into giving the perception of "that's the way the movement is going". It got zapped when I had to redo a vast section after making the mistake of opening a thread thru my MyATS favorites and it opened on my post page, thus zapping a couple hours of writing.