Has anyone sucessfully sold their soul to the devil?

I'd like to sell my soul to the God rather than the devil,if God are rich and could pay enough cash for it.

reply to post by queenannie38

Originally posted by whirlwind
It isn't that I don't understand the "anger of the Lord" but that I don't understand why it is the Lord in one scripture and Satan in the other.



Because they are the same thing.

Satan, in this situation acting as David's adversary - his opposition, WAS literally the Lord's anger!

GOD's anger was opposing David.

It reveals an essential truth about what the word 'satan' means as well as from where both the forces of opposition and help come.

I disagree. Satan and God are not the same thing! The two scriptures do raise the question but as it goes against other writings I know there is a problem in how I read it. It cannot be....so, as I told you, I asked a friend his thoughts. The are as follows:

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1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

11 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."


Chronicles was written after Samuel so it is fair to say Ezra or Nehemiah...whomever the author was...simply referred to Satan as the instigator of the entire affair of 11 Samuel. It was understood that David had been influenced by something evil.

The numbering of Israel and Judah was for military purposes and the question would be...who was the "he" in (11 Sam.24:1)?

The victories always came from God by Israel doing exactly what The Lord had instructed. God did not need the armies counted! Sometimes it only took a few Israelites to destroy an entire enemy force...sometimes a single man. God always overpowered the enemies of Israel through "HIS" supernatural power.

The "he" was not God....it was Satan and by the time 1 Chronicles was written, it was common knowledge that David had been influenced by Satan to do the census.



(1Chronicles 21:1-4) And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. And Joab answered, The LORD make his people an hundred times so many more as they be: but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of trespass to Israel? Nevertheless the king's word prevailed against Joab. Wherefore Joab departed, and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem.

(11 Samuel 24:1-4) And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. For the king said to Joab the captain of the host, which was with him, Go now through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan even to Beersheba, and number ye the people, that I may know the number of the people. And Joab said unto the king, Now the LORD thy God add unto the people, how many soever they be, an hundredfold, and that the eyes of my lord the king may see it: but why doth my lord the king delight in this thing? Notwithstanding the king's word prevailed against Joab, and against the captains of the host. And Joab and the captains of the host went out from the presence of the king, to number the people of Israel.



Joab knew this wasn't from God or he would have not said what he said! He knew this was not a good thing and he let his opinion be well known. He says basically, "God has always given us the right amount of men to do the job. why do we need to count them?" Well...the King's word was law and David's orders were law. Remember, the instigation was by Satan....and Satan wanted the census taken...to undermine the Holy protection offered to Israel by the LORD God! Satan wanted the folks to turn inward...to themselves for their own protection...ignoring God.

Joab knew exactly what was going on and he was dead set against it...but, he was not in charge! He tells David that the only time Israel needed to be numbered was when Moses had taken the census in Numbers which then allowed a fighting man to be listed on the roster and allowed him to claim land for his family in the promised land. This is now over four hundred years later and David is no longer depending on The LORD God for his victories!


Finally...(1 Chronicles 21:8) And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

And...(11 Samuel 24:10) And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.
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So...the census was requested by Satan, not the LORD, for if it was as you believe, "they are the same".....why then would David ask for forgiveness from God if God was the one who had requested it?


..............Whirlwind

Originally posted by whirlwind
I disagree. Satan and God are not the same thing! The two scriptures do raise the question but as it goes against other writings I know there is a problem in how I read it.

Against other writings? Okay then.

Perhaps the other writings go against the bible? Or is that an unacceptable idea?

It cannot be....so, as I told you, I asked a friend his thoughts. The are as follows:

Thanks for sharing your friend's thoughts! I will think about what he said.

reply to post by queenannie38

Against other writings? Okay then.

Perhaps the other writings go against the bible? Or is that an unacceptable idea?

The "other writings" I referenced are scriptural. I should have been more specific.



...........Whirlwind

Originally posted by nanoha
I'd like to sell my soul to the God rather than the devil,if God are rich and could pay enough cash for it.

Why would you want a little cash for the next 50 +/- years instead of free eternal life of happiness? If you're wanting eternal life, feel free to U2U me.

[edit on 9-10-2007 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God


Can one make a deal with devil? Absolutely and it happens all the time. It doesn't require elaborate ritual (although I know people who have used ritual to commune with him) and is indeed more binding than any contract us humans can make. So what is actually happening in the agreement?

I don't believe that pointing to passages in the Bible and giving some links and stories prove you can sell your soul.

First you would have to prove a soul existed, then that there was a devil, then how to sell the soul. Unfortunately intangible things are very difficult to prove.

I am not saying there is or isn't a process to sell a soul, but it would be very difficult to prove. But if the process did exist lawyers, politicians, health insurance companies and the IRS have done so.

would anyone like to buy my soul.....not joking, coz i don't belive i have one, if you say everyone has one, than would you like mine.

the bidding starts and 17,000 dollars, i need a new car.....

Originally posted by DIRTMASTER
Sell my soul to the devil, no but I think bart simpson did..but managed to get it back somehow..

but If I did sell it what is there that i could purchase with it? It seems as though hell would be like a lame garage sale. its all used garbage or stuff I've already got.. wait.. what if you could sell other peoples souls so that you could get a better one? not really lose anything just trade up!

people in history who sold out... Hitler, Osama, and every freak who abuses children.. yeah they probably are soulless..

It was homer who sold his soul to the devil. bart sold his to Milhouse...

reply to post by da king


don't sell your soul because satan would became powerfull

Originally posted by andre18
would anyone like to buy my soul.....not joking, coz i don't belive i have one, if you say everyone has one, than would you like mine.

the bidding starts and 17,000 dollars, i need a new car.....

If I had the money, I would pay it just so that I could gift your soul to the One who could actually treat it well.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by saint4God]