Solving Mid-East hostility

We all know about Israel - Palestine hostility and we all have our oppinions on how to solve them.

I think both people should be evacuvated to somewhere far from present day Israel and far from each other to some island.

How about you?

Is there any other way to solve the problem or there letting themselves destory each other?

There is enough room for them on Madagascar, and there is no borders other than the ocean.

OR maybe instead of that Israel could simply give equal rights to Non-Jews.

Originally posted by ArchAngel
There is enough room for them on Madagascar, and there is no borders other than the ocean.

OR maybe instead of that Israel could simply give equal rights to Non-Jews.

How about resources on Madagascar?

Isn't this the island some Nazi's wanted exile Jews to, but instead choose to burn them to ashes?

If you put one group on Madagascar, what about the other group? Is anyone currently living in the island?

Isn't this the island some Nazi's wanted exile Jews to, but instead choose to burn them to ashes?

If your plan is to force the Jews of Israel to move then you are advocating an extension of the Nazi plan. Yes, there was talk of relocating Jews to Madagascar. There was even a study done on it.

Does it sound any more resonable today than it did then?

Originally posted by ArchAngel
Isn't this the island some Nazi's wanted exile Jews to, but instead choose to burn them to ashes?

If your plan is to force the Jews of Israel to move then you are advocating an extension of the Nazi plan. Yes, there was talk of relocating Jews to Madagascar. There was even a study done on it.

Does it sound any more resonable today than it did then?

That day it was done because of hatred of Jews, now we should do it for their own good.

One: There will be no "real and lasting" peace unless, through time, politics and violence is eventually abandoned and as Arch has mentioned, people are given equal rights under the law.

Two: It will take a change of mind-set and an increased realization, on both sides, in recognizing that the many years of bloodshed and destruction was and is amounting to nothing and literally makes no sense. In such, both will have to again abandon thier violence and politics for a "real and lasting" peace. Ideologies must change also.


Till the two come to fruitition, there will be no "true, real and lasting" peace...just continued 'cease-fries' and 're-cease-fires' and many failed attempts in that ever elusive walk on the path to peace.



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 22-1-2004 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Seekerof
Two: It will take a change of mind-set and an increased realization, on both sides, in recognizing that the many years of bloodshed and destruction was and is amounting to nothing and literally makes no sense. In such, both will have to again abandon thier violence and politics for a "real and lasting" peace. Ideologies must change also.

Till they get it, we have start cease-fires upon cease-fires until they realize what they are doing.

We can't just simply tell that it is wrong and stand still arguing with them that fighting is wrong.

If someone is in a brawl, you don't tell them to stop fighting verbally, you hold their hands from fighitng and get them away from that place.

It is the same way here. We have tried arguing, now it is time to act.

[Edited on 22-1-2004 by surfup]

Originally posted by surfup
We all know about Israel - Palestine hostility and we all have our oppinions on how to solve them.

I think both people should be evacuvated to somewhere far from present day Israel and far from each other to some island.

How about you?

Is there any other way to solve the problem or there letting themselves destory each other?

Hmmmm... Here's an idea!

They should all grow up and learn to respect each other! There's no (good) reason why they cant all live in peace! All its takes is equal right, and for people to respect each other.

As long as there's hate, there can never be any peace.

They should all grow up and learn to respect each other! There's no (good) reason why they cant all live in peace! All its takes is equal right, and for people to respect each other.

As long as there's hate, there can never be any peace.

But with current situation, I don't think they will ever get respect for one another.

[Edited on 22-1-2004 by surfup]

Originally posted by surfup
We all know about Israel - Palestine hostility and we all have our oppinions on how to solve them.

I think both people should be evacuvated to somewhere far from present day Israel and far from each other to some island.

How about you?



Is there any other way to solve the problem or there letting themselves destory each other?

let them whipe them selves out. then theyll learn

When enough blood is spilt, on both sides, and the realization of such sinks in...they will seek the peace you mention surfup.

Its sad to say, but IMHO, there will be no true suitable solution to and for peace. One thing or another will prevent this from happening. It will take both sides waking up and truely wishing to seek dialogue to resolve the many issues...it, again, will take a 'realization' before peace will take place.



regards
seekerof

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
let them whipe them selves out. then theyll learn

They won't, but we will - hopefully.

I see the situation leading to five potential results. I think of them as being the four alternatives to nuclear holocaust.

First is the situation leads to war, Israel wins, empties the land up to the Jordan, and lives happily ever after.

This is the first fairy tale.

Second is where the situation leads to war, Israel loses, and the Jews live the Palestinian experience for the next 36 years.

This is the second fairy tale.

The third, and much more likely alternative is that the situation leads to war, both sides are devastated, others join in, and in the end the UN rules Jerusalem with an iron hand under it's Masonic system. Through some means, (professed to be innocent) the Dome of The Rock is destroyed, and a Masonic Temple is built in it's place as a blasphemy to Judasim, Christianity, and Islam.

This is the nightmare.

The fourth alternative?

Break the controling dialectic. Expose the hidden hand behind the extremists on both sides. The enemy is not over there, and it is not within, it is everywhere.

As long as we continue to react to the programmed conflict the results will be what they want, not what we want.


[Edited on 22-1-2004 by ArchAngel]