New Lake Erie UFO videos, 8-18-2007

these videos have a "haiti ufo" feel to them probably made with the same 3d software IMO.
the guy is over acting.

[edit on 19-9-2007 by miguelbmx]

reply to post by area51videoz
Jupiter is the prominent 'star' to the right of the moon. It will be setting at about 23:30.

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Go to this link and download Celestia and it may help you ID some of the planetary movements/positions. Good proggy nonetheless.

The problem with all the sky trackers/satellite trackers I know of online don't produce post data. Its only current date. So it doesn't help me to know where things are back on 8-18-07 in lake erie. Does anybody know of a good program that will do post data in order to recreate events?

Cheers,

Leibolmai

Originally posted by smoodiver
If you've seen the previous lake area videos you may know what to expect, but these new ones are a little different, especially the first one with the lights moving under the moon.

New Lake Erie UFO Videos

Interesting find smoodiver, but hardly anything earthshattering in my oppinion. Just a couple of lights. Could be anything from satellites, space debris, or the lights of an aircraft. Not sure where this was taken exactly (lat, long) but Venus was recently close to the moon as seen from England. I got a lot of calls that weekend...

Originally posted by timelike Not sure where this was taken exactly (lat, long) but Venus was recently close to the moon as seen from England. I got a lot of calls that weekend...

Venus is now the morning star.

The planet Venus has erupted into view in the eastern morning sky during the past couple of weeks.

When September opened, this resplendent Morning Star was rising just after dawn's first glow at around 5 a.m. local daylight time. But with each passing morning, Venus has been rising ever higher and has been getting a little brighter.

It will attain its greatest brilliance on Sept. 23, appearing at an eye-popping magnitude of -4.6. This is 19 times as bright as the brightest star in the sky, Sirius (in Canis Major, the Big Dog), and 10 times as bright as the next-brightest planet, Jupiter. (On this astronomers' scale, smaller numbers represent brighter objects, with negative numbers reserved for the brightest of all.)

Space.com

Jupiter is the evening "star" joyriding with the Moon for the next few days. Just an FYI.

HERE is another link showing planetary positions at different intervals during the year....



[edit on 21-9-2007 by Lost_Mind]

Originally posted by Lost_Mind

Originally posted by timelike Not sure where this was taken exactly (lat, long) but Venus was recently close to the moon as seen from England. I got a lot of calls that weekend...

Venus is now the morning star.

The planet Venus has erupted into view in the eastern morning sky during the past couple of weeks.

When September opened, this resplendent Morning Star was rising just after dawn's first glow at around 5 a.m. local daylight time. But with each passing morning, Venus has been rising ever higher and has been getting a little brighter.

It will attain its greatest brilliance on Sept. 23, appearing at an eye-popping magnitude of -4.6. This is 19 times as bright as the brightest star in the sky, Sirius (in Canis Major, the Big Dog), and 10 times as bright as the next-brightest planet, Jupiter. (On this astronomers' scale, smaller numbers represent brighter objects, with negative numbers reserved for the brightest of all.)

Space.com

Jupiter is the evening "star" joyriding with the Moon for the next few days. Just an FYI.

It's funny how people post story's about Venus and Jupiter. Venus is mostly visible at sunset for a short amount of time. No one provides the Right Ascension or Declination of Jupitor at that time the video was taken.

I've never seen Jupiter move that much in a short time period. I have to disagree, it's not a planet.

After consulting the interactive skychart at Sky & Telescope I will have to agree that it isnt Jupiter being seen in the video, unless (big IF here) the video is flipped to skew the true orientation of the planet in relationship to the moon. I dont think that is the case due to the setting orientation of the half moon being correct in the vid.

I used Sept. 18th @ 8 PM as a viewing date due to Jupiters and the Moons close proximity to each other just before they both set on that date. The moon shown in the video is a setting moon. Jupiter should have been higher in the sky than the moon and the video clearly shows the orphan lights to be below and to the left of the setting moon.

Considering the shortness of the videos and the area and direction in which he likes to video I would say that all three of those lights are mostly long distance shots of headon planes coming in at him in Eastlake over the lake. A longer video would go a long way to confirm or deny this but I guess that how this game is played. These lights are fairly low to the horizon indicated by the amber color of the moon as it usually is when it either just rises or sets.

Just adding that on 8/18/07, when MLH claims these were taken, Jupiter was far from the moon, nearer to Antares where the moon was nestled next to Spica.

[edit on 21-9-2007 by Lost_Mind]

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Go to Sky & Telescope, register at the site and you can then use the interactive sky charts and it does do post data. Be aware though that for whatever reason they have the AM and PM reversed on it. Plug in 41.5 N Lat. & 81.6 E Long. for the greater Cleveland area and then play with it from there.



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use the scroll bar to speed up this clips, the moon moves from left to right as it does and the 'planet' or star does move except it changes direction twice.

give it a try

that should put an end to the "they are just stars or planets" theory!

Here is a New Video of the same type of UFO but this footage was shot in NY, 2007 over Lake Erie.

Looks like the same type of object!

youtube.com...

Originally posted by coryblood
i live in wester N.Y. and the first video is ALMOST like my experience that i had the night of the lunar eclipse here's the link www.abovetopsecret.com...

That is cool, Sounds like you did see the same thing captured in these video's!

I can't view the videos right now... but is it another Md-80 with its triangular landing lights?

Anyone?

Originally posted by area512012
that should put an end to the "they are just stars or planets" theory!

Sorry dude, the lights only appear to change direction because he tilts the camera. The "they are just stars or planets theory" is still looking pretty good.

Show me an hour or more video of these so called orbs and then we can talk. It's always a very short clip of lights. Lights that blink I might add. Will someone who lives on or by the lake please go down there and shoot some long footage for us. I'll bet the planes will land.

More and more people are repoting seeing these objects over Lake Erie

Volume 15, Issue 21
Published September 26th, 2007
That's No Moon
Many Uncrazy Clevelanders Have Seen Strange Lights In The Sky. Who - Or What - Is Buzzing Northeast Ohio?
By John Lasker

keep watching the skies - A UFO hovers over downtown in March. To suggest that Northeast Ohio could be witness to the next mass UFO sighting does not officially make you a member of the tin-foil hat crowd. If you believe even just a few of the witnesses, Cleveland and its surrounding communities might already be a hotspot.

During the previous two years, the Cleveland UFOlogy Project, considered the oldest of its kind on this side of the globe, has documented 20 credible sightings. The 2005 documentary Dan Akroyd: Unplugged on UFOs highlighted the peculiar lights over Lake Erie near Eastlake, where witnesses reported their latest sighting just this past June. Earlier this year, an "orb" was videotaped over the Key Bank Tower during a peace rally, and the incident made it on the CBS nightly news.

The hype continues: Literally hundreds of thousands have downloaded Internet videos of Northeast Ohio UFOs. The Cleveland Office of Homeland Security has investigated.
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"If you take all of the people in Ohio who are interested in this subject, I bet half of them are from that part of the state," says Central Ohio-based William E. Jones, state director for Ohio MUFON, or Mutual UFO Network. "A lot of folks up there have seen things over the years. More people are interested up there. I don't know why."

Sam Phillips has long been a fixture of Cleveland's music scene. He's an accomplished drummer and "hand snapper," and appeared on The Arsenio Hall Show. When interviewed for this story, however, he was homeless and sleeping at the homes of friends and family. Phillips taped a strange light spinning and hovering over the Key Bank Tower on March 10, during a peace rally.

"This is not about me," says Phillips, who admits he has become obsessed with what he saw that night. "There's a pattern here. There's a riddle here. And I want answers. I want an explanation."

He believes it wasn't coincidence the sighting took place over a peace rally. During the sighting, he recalls saying that our "brothers and sisters are going to come down from the universe and humble our ass."

Phillips' story, however, is but a sidebar in the current wave of Northeast Ohio UFO mania. Taking center stage is Lake Erie, and Michael Lee Hill of Eastlake.

Hill, like Phillips, is a musician. In 2001, Grammy-award winner and guitar legend Steve Vai picked Hill as the winner of a national guitar contest. Hill is gregarious, upbeat and likeable. He's unconventional and complex. He's certain that the UFOs he has seen are targeting him.

"I've had contact my whole life," he says. "I remember asking my mother, "Why do Santa's elves keep visiting me?'"

The recent visitations started in earnest five years ago, not far from the coal-burning power plant, he says. While walking on the beach, not far from his home, Hill said he witnessed a top hat-shaped craft hovering and pulsating over the shoreline. This same area is also famous in UFO lore for a 1988 encounter documented by the Coast Guard.

Hill started taking a video camera to the lakefront. Since then he's captured scores of bright lights that appear to hover over Lake Erie. He's uploaded many of his videos to YouTube, and those caught the attention of David Sereda, who directed the Akroyd documentary. Hill created the music for Sereda's latest project, From Here To Andromeda.

"I really do consider myself a spiritual messenger; I know it sounds freaky," says Hill, adding that the UFO filmed over the Key Bank Tower is one of the same orbs he captured over Lake Erie. "There's a huge story unfolding here. I think they're absolutely sending us a message. I believe they are here to help us become a galactic society."

At the other end of the spectrum is Eastlake resident Gary Strauss, who says adamantly, "I'm not one of those UFO people." He's a chemist and a supervisor at a local laboratory. He's lived in his home on the lake since 1984, in the same neighborhood as Hill, though they've never met.

Early on the morning of June 21, Strauss and his son saw four bright lights, shaped like the tip of a Sharpie marker, high above the water. The lights were in a line parallel with the shoreline, positioned at 11 o'clock and 30 degrees above the horizon.

Then one vanished. Then another. Soon all four were gone. Suddenly, they reappeared in the shape of a diamond. Then they went flat again. This went on for more than an hour.

He called the Eastlake police and they dispatched an officer. Strauss remembers the officer saying, "What is that?"

The following day, his son checked the Internet for lights over Lake Erie and found one of Hill's videos. He recalls his son shouting, "That's it! That's what we saw!"

But unlike other Lake Erie witnesses, Strauss doesn't believe the lights are extraterrestrial. He guesses they're the result of government or aerospace industry experiments with new technology. "They're bouncing radar off some type of object," he speculates. "Some form of radar reflection technology. I'm just making an educated guess."

Nevertheless, he's intrigued.

"I look outside a lot more. I want to see it again," says Strauss. "This time, I'm going to have my camera." But he rejects the suggestion that it's anything more than curiosity: "No. I'm not obsessive. Absolutely not."

The Eastlake police actually had two witnesses that night. A detective, who asked not to be named, told the Free Times that he too saw the lights, but from a different vantage point.

The Eastlake police asked the Cleveland office of Homeland Security to look into the sighting, and the detective says he was told later that on the night of the sighting, the Canadian Coast Guard was near the opposite side of the lake searching for a man who had been reported missing. A Canadian Coast Guard helicopter dropped flares, connected to miniature parachutes, over the water. Later it was discovered the man had drowned.

Strauss finds this implausible, believes the lights appeared in a straight line, then vanished, then reappeared in a diamond formation.

The Bush administration reportedly has funneled billions to the aerospace industry to develop space-based weapons under the guise of missile defense. Secret military space-plane programs are believed to have been revived as well.

Another possibility are LAGEOS, or Laser Geodynamics Satellites. Publicly, the government says two are in orbit, and both are roughly the size of a basketball. They are made of brass and partially covered with a retro-reflection material that returns light in the direction it comes from, similar to a road sign.

There's also NASA's Glenn Research Center at the Plum Brook site in Sandusky. The site is home to the world's largest space environment simulation chamber. That chamber will test NASA's new spacecraft, Orion, which will take the US back to the moon. Recent upgrades to the Plum Brook site will also allow it to test "next- generation lunar landers, robotic systems, and military and commercial aircraft," according to NASA's Web site.

"So here I come walking out of the TV station one night in November maybe a decade ago after our early evening newscast," says Ted Henry of New Channel 5. "In perfect formation there were five large objects flying smoothly in my direction. It was stunning.

"What I saw was the undersides of five flat objects flying in exact formation. The front two were enormous, maybe the size of several football fields, and the three trailing were smaller, flying in a slightly irregular pattern."

"What do I think they were? All I can really tell you is what I saw."

Henry has talked about his sighting many times on the air. He puts the experience this way: "One thing is certain, for people who see something in the sky, as I did over Cleveland years ago, it can be a life changing experience."


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[edit on 16-10-2007 by area512012]

No no its merely police car lights reflecting off the upper ionosphere & bouncing off a childs kite 40 miles up. Next..